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Those guys are ignorant, insensitive jerks. I would never support an end to disability support. I’m talking about something entirely different. Being over-employed is a problem just as being under-employed is a problem. We risk prolonging both and destroying the economy unnecessarily. I think if we don’t have the first phase of return to work implemented by the end of May , the cure is worse than the disease.

Have to agree with RtoL: we will live in a very different economic world in a few months. The real question will be if there is ANY leadership with the brains and balls to seize the opportunity and rebuild the economy with value being added instead of returning to the phoney Casino Capitalist and drawers of water, huers of wood. But: since Canada is notoriously short of such leadership, it will be the clusterfuck to end all clusterfucks - paid with another trillion in debt.

Years ago, as a foreigner, I wondered about this free/slave distinction. Weird. Nowadays, I hear about blue/red states. Weird. For me, you were always Americans. ===== However you vote, whatever you choose, Trump/Nixon/Clinton/Hoover - even Obama - for me, you're an American.

I would never say Peter MacKay is a Judas who stabbed his own party in the back. That would be taking politics too seriously. That worked for Mike Pearson and the Chief. You are probably right, Betsy.

Note to Tdot: as Leonard whispered to May Cooper (Sheldon's mother) "We don't say that anymore." You might want to pay closer attention to your word choice.

Fact check: No, NYC hasn't begun digging mass graves for COVID victims. This is Hart Island, where NYC has buried bodies with no next-of-kin in these "mass graves" since 1881. There are over 1M people buried there. https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doc/downloads/pdf/Hart_Island _FAQs 2017.07.25.pdf

You have a desire to love everyone and a problem loving everyone? Who said there was no universe? From the psychological viewpoint, if you permit, you think you are a liar and ridiculous. Words can hurt, you know — So who's paying you for this grand project?

You've identified one example. Think about real estate. I have a 52 year old house that increased its "value" by 100% in one year. The assessment office would not even send an inspector as they know they are running a scam. They inflate "values" to bring them into the stratosphere and then call it wealth. No, not wealth; just a scam!

I agree. I think we have to continuously remind China that it is a breeding ground for new deadly viruses. Close down the fucking wet markets and smarten up in a number of areas or face major trade constraints.

Bearing in mind that, as Lord North pointed out, an MP's constituants are the whole of the nation. You confuse responsible government with the American style representative government. As for oil, a lot of CPC politicians claim to be pro-oil but they are forgetting that almost all of that oil belongs to future generations. Oil must not be considered a fossil "fuel." It is too vital to burn. I agree with Centrist that we must transition to both uranium and thorium based energy production. Our technological civilization is supported by three pillars, coal, iron ore and oil. You need coal and iron ore to make steel. You need oil for lubrication, among it's 10,000 plus other uses. You cannot generate electricity without steel and oil. Without electricity, billions of people starve. Coal, iron and oil are finite resourses and we have an obligation to future Canadians to ensure we have them for as long as possible. If we reduce our population we extend the time line before we run out, provided we stop giving the stuff away. Wilderness is disappearing all over southern Canada. Saskatchewan no longer has natural grasslands. Look at BC from the air and see all the logging. We encourage logging and mining to provide jobs to our surplus labour. Taxes: We have been running deficits since the CPC took over because we have been cutting taxes. Look at Norway. They pay real taxes, and they would not have it any other way. They have a very high quality of life. They have a stable population so they don't have to waste tax money to prop up a surplus labour force. Wages are high, taxes are high and the quality of life is one of the best in the world.

Well the world doesn't have much anymore. What we have in Canada is substantial, but it must be carefully guarded for that very reason. Moving forward in an an ever-greedier world, it would completely consume our resources. I want a government that commits to being a vanguard of Canada's Boreal forests, and fresh water.

You do and the fact you can not acknowledge it makes it no different than what you accuse Often Wrong as. You two need to cool off. Calling people holocaust deniers because they disagree with you is bullshit. You want to use the death of my relatives or any dead to vilify anyone you disagree with and make you feel morally superior of course will call you out on it and say cool off man tone it down. Both of you know better and if you do not know what front LINE fatigue is ask him. He is as worried as you are BC only he doesn't get to show it and its wasted emotion if he did. Neither of you get to use dead people as props to make you feel morally superior to him or others. If you disagree with him kindly avoid the holocaust reference. Let it go. Virus my ass. Its death you are talking about man. Its people. They have names. They die for may reasons and you see one reason that frightens you Often Wrong sees many other reasons you do not and is fed up explaining to you somebody can only wash so many damn floors in a day and not all of them dirty floors is from covid patients. You think you know better, come wash some floors man.

lol You have lied about Chrisitians and what Chrisitians believe, plus you have lied about God Almighty ---by twisting God's purpose and Will into some miserable little deranged fantasy you concocted in life. Therefore, no, you did not have grounds to call anyone a liar here ---where you are an expert liar! Cheers!

Awww. Get in line okay. I've been associated with Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Bin Laden, Mohammad, Hannibal, did I mention Hilter and who can forget scum? But I definitely draw the line at Trudeau. Yeah well you know something I'd be making 5 times as more at work right than I am stuck at home. Do you really think I prefer to be here bellyaching over things with you? Maybe instead of acting like some petulant jealous prole who can't get over making .25 an hour less than some dude down the line you might think a little more about things like the guy looking down on us from his office who earned more by noon on Jan 1st than we could ever hope to make by Dec 31st. I think you guys that are holding it together should be on a tax holiday as well as receiving a bonus and I make no bones about who's account that bonus and tax holiday should be charged to. No. There's no fucking excuse for your shitty attitude or losing your perspective over it. Get a goddamn grip.

I doubt it's on the menu, but if money is created now out of thin air, it is presumed that economic growth will reabsorb that new money in the future. So, this is essentially mortgaging the future. If the future can't pay of its debts, then what! It would be nice if we emerge from the crisis with a new attitude about focusing on things that are important, and cast off a lot of the garbage that's being subsidized right now.....starting with Agribusiness- producing poor quality food by dumping toxic amounts of chemical fertilizers on fields planted with GMO seeds...at least half of it to feed caged livestock kept in sickening depraved conditions to provide us cheap meat! Cruise ships come to mind as a totally useless subsidized industry...which are toxic on so many levels....dumping wastes and polluting coastal waters, third world registrations - let Liberia support them, and exploiting cheap third world labor. And then there's the airlines....the industry receives enough subsidies already! A lot of crap consumer products that are sold by aggressive mind-warping advertising and marketing campaigns. Hopefully the future world will be simpler, less polluting and less of a demand on resources, so more than one or two generations can survive! As for me, I'm surprised my place of work was classed as "essential" so I'm still going to work.....for now at least!

Calling you people a buncha frightened rabbits is not the same as calling someone a nazi sympathizer. That would be rude. Think of it more as a term of endearment, like "Poor little, frightened rabbits". Sorry, I cannot. I am among those who must work to sustain the remnants of society, while you and others sit comfortably at home ordering direct-to-door mimosas. I'll refrain at this point from the rabbit analogy, but if you can see where you have one man driving to work in the morning and the sun's out, spring is sprung but everyone is inside and the road is empty, exactly why he might feel like rolling down the window and shouting "Frightened rabbits! Come outside!" Then I continue on my way. So for me there is no virus, do you freaking get that? You people are just a crazy annoyance. Nothing has really changed either. So excuse me if I'm a political asshole after a long day

Happy Easter, Rue.

Right, but it is not just governments or elected leaders. The medical experts were also asleep as the switch, from the WHO on down. The leaders only know how to throw money at a crisis after it happens.

...or... ATHEISM is the belief that there was once absolutely nothing and then nothing happened, to nothing, which made nothing magically explode ---for no reason, whatsoever--- to create everything and everywhere! Yes then all of that exploded to magically rearrange itself, for no reason whatsoever, into self-replicating bits of dinosaurs and Homo-Erectus!

Just a quick look at our media would do that for you. It was ordained back in 2015 that anything Trudeau did wrong would go mostly unnoticed and unreported, and what just couldn't be ignored would be downplayed while other stories were hyped up to take away the focus. It was ordained before Trump was inaugurated that every story and every crisis would be used as a tool to attack Trump. We're 5 years into Trudeau's debacle, and despite his boatload of serious ethics breeches and scandals, there has been 1/3 the negative press on Trudeau as there was on Harper just for $90K Duffygate. Not a single day has passed where CNN and MSNBC haven't spent hours attacking Trump for things which turned out to be false. 1) LavScam is a full-on scam in which our PM is certainly guilty and he is obstructing justice in that case with impunity. The media coverage was always misleading - I never once saw CBC or CTV mention that SNC was caught bribing a Liberal $2.3M for help winning a bid on a Bridge contract in Mtl. Coverage was partially hot for 2 weeks, warm for a week, intermittent for a few weeks, gone from the news. The public in Canada doesn't give a rip. Some of them don't want to believe it, some of them don't think the crime is more important than their dear leader, some of them were fooled by the media coverage which downplayed the incident, and none of those people care about obstruction of justice. 2) Russian collusion was proven to be a mix of Hillary's lies, FBI malfeasance, and media slander, yet tens of millions of people are still hoodwinked to this day. Do you think that those people couldn't be convinced that mass-murdering Jews is really important? Or that it never happened? Our media in NA is 100% as fake as any state-run media in Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, China and maybe just a bit less fake than NoKo. They lie by omission, they lend 100% support to stories that they know are false, they use sensational photos to push narratives they like and if they can't ignore a story that damages their narrative then they intentionally Nerf them down so that people don't feel any emotion about them. They even act like the UN is 100% legit and it's more screwed-up than Scientology. The end result is that we all know that we're being lied to, so we may as well all just believe whatever the f we want. Hell, religion even teaches us that it's our undeniable right. I just decided that I'm going to go along 100% with the next new conspiracy theory that comes out, just for shits and giggles. I don't like any of the old ones. This is 2020. My white privilege and short attention span demand something shiny and new.

Hopefully within the next 4 to 8 weeks on the waning...and a lot has to do with coming up with quick accurate testing..the faster you can identify it.. the faster it can be contained if it remains contagious. Referring to disagreements as how to address containing the virus is not denial of the virus so equating Often Wrong as a holocaust denier or 9 11 denier is horse shit...he has never questioned the existence or severity of the virus just how some of you are reacting to it.. typified for example in holocaust denial cracks that evidence uncontrolled emotions impacting negatively on how we discuss the issue. I know its testy and anxious times but this is no holocaust and to equate it as such directly or indirectly to insult someone does not establish a point..it detracts from it. Thanks.

Sure, but it runs much deeper than that. Canada likes to compare and contrast itself with the United States at many levels...for a very long time. It courses through Canadian media and culture as normalized and expected. Today there is a piece about the lack of racialized pandemic data in Canada vs. the U.S. I actually applaud writers and producers in Canada who manage to communicate issues and content without making reference to Americans or the U.S. government. It's a crutch they are loathe to get rid of. Trump is just another U.S. president, as I have maintained all along. People who chose to get their panties in a knot on either side of the border were just primed to do so by their own fears and bias. Bill Maher laughed when Ann Coulter predicted Trump would win the GOP nomination.

Thanks Yogi. I tried killing flies with a hammer once. Hard to hit but once you do, damn they are really dead. When you miss it leaves holes in walls though. Not recommended to use around other people.

Nope...the Republicans messed that all up. Democrats haven't been this mad (at Trump) since Lincoln freed their slaves.

It's more complicated than that. African Americans are not a monolithic "Negro" voting block. They are also not all Democrats. And lastly, their voting patterns vary by region and state. The point I wanted to make is that "negro" voters were expected to believe that Bernie and Bros had their best interests, but that was foolish. African Americans will determine what their interests are, not anybody else.

No, Canada is responsible for its own borders and screening, which was found to be very lacking at the border and at airports. Freeland had to beg Trump for more 3M masks.

Because they believe the next town's circus matters more than your own. Trump is not responsible for Canada's COVID19 preparation or response, but he makes a fine distraction from your government's failings.

USA "negros" are too free for Bernie Sanders and progressives...too free to make their own choices:

It was government that ordered the shut downs more so than citizens screaming to be quarantined. Pressure will build to make sure the cure is not worse than the disease, and a new normal of distancing and flu-like mortality numbers will just become part of the landscape, with or without a vaccine. The models are already beginning to break down, with less observed severity and wide variation depending on location. There is no one size fits all solution for restarting the economy. Once a better testing regimen is in place then we are ready for the next phase, which will include future spikes. Good reason for smokers to quit.

I don’t think either leader has a clear exit strategy for a return to work. I realize that’s because they are consumed by the present challenge of dealing with the medical crisis and we’re still learning about the disease. Nevertheless, markets hate uncertainty. People hate living under an endless threat. Better order needs to be brought to the chaos to prevent social breakdown. We’ve seen modeling projections of numbers of deaths and hospitalizations for different scenarios in Canada. For example, without doing anything we might have seen 100,000 deaths in Ontario. With strict measures we might see 3000. Great, so we’re trying to take fairly strong measures. Now, if we start to see those numbers really decline, what happens next? Keeping most people indoors indefinitely is not a plan.

lol ...did Mankind also create the planets, the moon, and the Sun?

Agreed...it was a gap that has been closed. For the larger issue of Trump vs. Trudeau or even president vs. prime minister, many Canadians will make such comparisons reflexively (long before COVID19), while far fewer Americans will do the same. Canadian media consistently provides a steady dose of the American narrative to facilitate such comparisons. Not so much in reverse. I expect Trump to push earlier for recovery because he has more to lose if the U.S. economy does not improve before the election. Trudeau has far less concern with being turfed by no-confidence vote because budgets are already blown to deficit hell.

Still, the point here is that many Canadians looked to the U.S. CDC (& FDA) to inform them regardless of whether Canada had the functional equivalent at any level. Canadian media has long quoted and referenced American federal agencies in that regard. Most Americans have no idea what the PHAC is. Establishing the PHAC was only one of many recommendations coming out of the post-SARS reviews in Canada. Hopefully such actions have been helpful for the COVID19 response.

Sure...zoom out far enough and it's obvious we're all Earthlings too. You're the same as Carl Sagan but to really zoom it to the nth degree you need to paraphrase Commander Bowman; "My God I'm full of stars". Hishukish tsa'walk

No response? WTF? For foreigners - Matt Damon? He's obviously American. Donald Trump? Another American. For Americans, you make a big distinction between yourselves - but for foreigners, you Americans are all the same: you're American.