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Let me sum up again. Islamophobia is the "unreasoning" fear of Islam. I think that there's ample reason to suggest aprehension about ever greater numbers of Muslims coming into Canada is not unreasonable. The British government resisted the EU's open door policy towards Muslim migrants, despite the ferocious attacks on it by progressives and the media (although opinion polls suggest the Conservatives were reflecting the mood of the people). Nevertheless, some came in, including the two bombers arrested in the train bombing last week. Dozens of British citizens suffered burns and shock from that bomb, and only because it didn't function properly are they still alive. So were the people who were wary of accepting large numbers of Muslim migrants 'Islamophobic'? It does not appear so.

Agreed...the 97% claim cannot stand up to even rudimentary analysis. Such AGW propaganda was adopted as an attempt to silence and squash any competing or contrary views, but actually had the opposite effect.

Not true....loathsome ideas are protected for public distribution, especially printed media. As an example, courts in the U.S. have found that it is a violation of constitutional rights to prevent distribution of newpapers, flyers, billboards, etc. in civil suits between private parties.

Not necessarily. If someone intentionally drowns you out - as in a rally - they're actually trying to prevent you from exercising your right. Your right to speech is your right to voice out an opinion to someone! Surely no one intends to give a speech with no one around? Objecting and protesting are fine....but not when you intentionally shut down people from being heard.

If the venue receives public (government) funding, then I think the venue blocking certain kinds of speech but not others constitutes a violation of free speech rights. Universities receive public funding.

Ahhhhh, I see. You are trolling. Now I see why so many have you on ignore.

No, but a lot of Muslim extremists certainly do.

This Muslim woman feels it IS a problem in Canada: http://mackenzieinstitute.com/rise-islamic-extremism-canada/

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4209384 Police dropped the ball on the first complaints, but issued an arrest warrant for the most recent one. You haven't proven this occurs "regularly". It has legal consequences in Canada. Most Canadians would give a bit of slack to people protesting the bombing, apartheid and genocide of Palestinians by Israelis. We should likely also be on the lookout for Rabbis in Canada promoting the "from the river to the sea" Zionist genocidal agenda too. This is obviously a difficult issue with two sides, two stories, that is not a Canadian issue but affects some Canadians and sometimes comes to the attention of law enforcement, as is appropriate. However, the Israel/Palestine issue is not justification for Islamophobia nor anti-Semitism in Canada. Both have legal consequences here.

Notice how dialamah blames YOU for Islam's failings.

Whatever turns your crank.

I do disagree. Lots of hate speech going on in schools..

I have responded...with proof. The most significant proof related to Israeli occupied territory is the continued occupation of "aboriginal" land by the "The Crown", which does so with unabashed imperialism to this day, and long before the State of Israel ever existed. Unlike Palestinians, First Nations have no legal option for sovereignty or self determination in Canada. The "Crown" has deemed them "aboriginals" forever. ......................................................................................................................................................................................................... Look, I get it, you don't like my comparison and stinging reality, because it turns your pointing finger right back at Canada. It is a very uncomfortable truth for those who claim the moral high ground to relentlessly attack Israel and Israel policies while their own nation continues "human rights" violations at home and abroad. Who cares if Canada (or the U.S.) has done and continues to do these things after subjugation of native people and stealing land long ago, and continuing to occupy the land today, stealing resources, and even denying bands potable water, right ? It's no big deal because Canada's sovereign conquest is complete and will not be challenged by suicide bombings, rocket attacks, kidnappings, murders, etc. Far easier to look away and condemn Jews far across the ocean, right ?

Islam regularly preaches death to all Jews and assorted Kafir. Even in Canada.

This jives with what a Muslim woman told me when I asked why so many of them lied to me - she said "It's because you're a woman. And because they can." She told me that they are free to lie to anyone that they don't feel deserves their truth or to protect Islam, which is a pretty broad category - to protect Islam. I'm not really certain this is correct, given the many forms of lying that is allowed in Islam, as shown in Betsy's post. Is this what "the religion" says, or is this just your interpretation of the verse? Becasue it seems there is not a lot of consensus in Islam as to what the correct interpretation of verses are, and all are free to interpret any scripture however they want. For instance, the wife-beating we were talking about yesterday - there are many, many interpretations of what that would involve, from a "light tapping" described on one site, to actual hitting with a stick (some websites say they are not to draw blood with the beatings, others say it's okay if the woman is especially disobedient.) They DO all seem to agree that smacking your wife is perfectly acceptable in Islam. There is certainly nothing that says they should never strike their wives. I would guess it's the same with lying to infidels. There doesn't seem to be a real consesnsus on what, how, and why lying would be permissible. It's nice that Dialamah's interpretations are benign, but to say that her above statement RE: lying to infidels, is official Islamic policy is disingenuous, IMO.

Instead of responding to HJ, you are trying veer off and are going off on a tangent. Your comparisons are terrible. Why don't you respond to this that was given to you: Posted 17 hours ago Really? Do we have non-native settlements? Do we have check points for natives only? There is no parallel there. Try again. That's quite the reach. This is your comparison? Sorry. You failed in showing any parallel. The pollution is on all lands and water. It's not strictly against natives. No parallel there. Show me proof.

It's already against the law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Canada Ben Shapiro sums that up quite nicely.

Their religion says they can lie to infidels if to do otherwise would result in their death. The latter is something the anti-Muslim crew like to gloss over. Sure, you can suppose any number of things as to why only the parts of the survey you don't like aren't true and that 'those people' must be lying only on those questions. But then if someone notices and calls you biased or even bigoted, you don't have much of a leg to stand on in denying those accusations.

Some porch music from the opposite side of the pond from the previous guys.

Bet you can't guess where these guys are from.

I agree that what she was doing was stupid and counter-productive and resulted in her speaker being broken. But none of that has anything to do with violating someone's right to free speech, since that right is only in relation to the government preventing citizens from speaking out against the government.

No, the politicians see a political gain in that they believe unsophisticated people will vote for them when they come in out of gratitude. That does not suggest any gain for society.

Well, that is true, that their religion does give them permission to lie to infidels. And it IS true that in the context of Canada a lot of them would realize that saying "I hate infidels' probably wouldn't go over very well. But mostly I would think they would find 'diversity' a code word for 'we can do whatever we want and not assimilate', as opposed to 'of course I respect Hindus and SIkhs!'

Yes, "given the politics". Every study showing 97% refuted. If he were alive, you could ask Dr Bill Gray what happens when you don't play the politics of consensus. BTW, the statement you quoted was anecdotal, while every other point was statistical.

If we were nuked or there was a war I wouldn't want to live anyway, no way to live.

Give us another Joo poem that should bring some salient insight as well.

Why is Quebec using imported oil while opposing the Energy East Pipeline project? Should cut off the transfer payments to them and stop allowing imported oil into eastern Canada.

Really? Do we have non-native settlements? Do we have check points for natives only? There is no parallel there. Try again. That's quite the reach. This is your comparison? Sorry. You failed in showing any parallel. The pollution is on all lands and water. It's not strictly against natives. No parallel there. Show me proof. The adventures around the world is a good topic to talk about. However, there is no equivalency between the treatment of Palestinians by Israel vs treatment of natives by Canada in here. Which is what you're trying to tell everyone. We can talk about the foreign policy in another thread. You first need to validate your ridiculous comparison.

Don't play word games with me. The only possible rebuttal to what I wrote was "Why no, that's not true." Because accepting it's true and then still going on to sneer at those concerned about bringing in hundreds of thousands more Muslims would seem like the height or insanity to me.

Let's go through the comparisons (Before you jump into your time travel machine, to try to compare Canada from centuries ago: This is about Canada's treatment of the natives vs Israel's treatment of Palestinians - TODAY and under our current rules and regulations): Which country has control over the movement of the people, through airspace control, checkpoints, border control? Canada: No Israel: Yes Which country detains children indefinitely and tortures them? Canada: No Israel: Yes Which country regularly bombs the 'other people' and kills them and destroys their infrastructure? Canada: No Israel: Yes Which country forcefully confiscates property and resources and shuts the group from receiving any? Canada: No Israel: Yes Which country has created zones, specifically for one group, not allowing the other group from entering it or using it? Canada: No Israel: Yes

It"s kinda the same thing that has happened to me. I have said that life in Egypt isn't the hellhole for women some here assume it is, and that there are efforts in Muslim majority countries to improve the situation for women (and gays) and in return I get "prove that life in Muslim Majority countries is great for women". Because really, saying anything at all positive about Muslims or Muslim majority countries is absolutely not acceptable around here.

You let pass PIK's declaration that Muslims getting attacked and killed wasn't a problem because "We don't want Islam in Canada". I guess you agree with him since didn't say anything when I called you out on it. Not so much a defense of Islam, as standing up against bigotry.

I have no interest in the contents of anyone's religion. They're all creepy, imo. But you're all free to have one, without anyone inciting or promoting hatred against you. The thread is about Islamophobia in Canada, which you demonstrate in your persistent trolling ... But I doubt you're in Canada.

I really don't care what some archaic text says in any religion. If anyone acts outside the law, call the police. Otherwise, live and let live. Inciting or promoting hatred against Muslims is illegal in Canada.

You can criticize any religion you want, especially your own. But you cannot incite or promote hatred against Muslims or any other identifiable group. You know you reveal yourself as a foreign and partisan attack dog agent when you try to tag and insult me as Muslim. That's ridiculous. You have no clue about Canadians. I don't practice any religion, but I defend people's right to do so without people promoting and inciting hatred against them.

While I despise Wal-Mart and don't shop there, it has to be said that most of the manufacturing jobs that have disappeared are due to technological change. It simply takes far fewer people to operate a factory now than it did even twenty years ago. Yes, retail jobs have disappeared due to Wal-Mart. But it's also a more efficient distributor of goods, drastically lowering the price markup. In combination with technological change that allows people to purchase things they wouldn't have - like air conditioners, as one example. Dirt cheap now, where they were beyond our means when I was young.