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People have always been wary of those different who come into their territory. The more different, the more people get their backs up. This is true of people all over the world. With Muslims, the differences in cultures are extreme, and there's the added impact of continuing Muslim violence, terrorism and extremism around the world. And yet despite all that there are a lot less hate crimes against Muslims than against Jews or Blacks, and the vast majority are non-violent.

Yes, but only by people who seem to think that allowing Muslims some humanity = supporting brutality. I have said repeatedly that these countries have issues. This does not mean that all Muslim men treat women like pieces of meat or are rapists. Now, how about you show me a Western country where women are never beaten, raped or killed by men, and where not only is gender equality the law, its actually universally and without fail an integral part of the culture.

As I began reading your reply to PIK, I thought your question was genuine and well intended. Then as I read the rest of your post, I realized you were actually mocking PIK. Par for the course.

That would require dialamah actually being truthful re: Islam. Not gonna happen. It must be defended.

That just complicates the issue and it's easy to ignore if your agenda is better served by cherry-picking a single quote, out of context, from a long political career.

Why would Canada (or Australia / United States) be off limits to this discussion ? Why do Israel's critics refuse to be objective about Israel in the context of all nations, western or not ? Israel acts just as any other nation state has acted...today and in the past. Canadians cannot hide from their history and present by deflecting to Israel.

You let pass PIK's declaration that Muslims getting attacked and killed wasn't a problem because "We don't want Islam in Canada". I guess you agree with him since didn't say anything when I called you out on it. Not so much a defense of Islam, as standing up against bigotry.

I think trolling is Israeli agents trying to promote and incite hatred against Muslims. It's also a crime in Canada. Are you in Canada?

I think trolling is more like when someone comes onto a thread and loudly disagrees with something, calls people trolls, Islamophobes and not Canadians and then refuses to answer questions as to why they disagree with a statement. What do you think?

What are you talking about? I even colourized it and made it pretty for you, so it's easier to understand. I listed what Israel has done and what Canada has not.

Eh? I just showed you that you cannot draw a parallel and that you are being ridiculous when you try to.

Why are you being ridiculous? There is no truth behind what you're saying. Let's go through the comparisons (Before you jump into your time travel machine, to try to compare Canada from centuries ago: This is about Canada's treatment of the natives vs Israel's treatment of Palestinians - TODAY and under our current rules and regulations): Which country has control over the movement of the people, through airspace control, checkpoints, border control? Canada: No Israel: Yes Which country detains children indefinitely and tortures them? Canada: No Israel: Yes Which country regularly bombs the 'other people' and kills them and destroys their infrastructure? Canada: No Israel: Yes Which country forcefully confiscates property and resources and shuts the group from receiving any? Canada: No Israel: Yes Which country has created zones, specifically for one group, not allowing the other group from entering it or using it? Canada: No Israel: Yes

I really don't care what some archaic text says in any religion. If anyone acts outside the law, call the police. Otherwise, live and let live. Inciting or promoting hatred against Muslims is illegal in Canada.

That's right, we should just stick with the more relevant and accurate term, racist.

So which is it? Do these countries have issues? Or is it, as you assert, that it is NOT true that Muslim countries discriminate against women to a larger degree than Western countries? You flip flop on this all the time, depending on which arguement fits your narrative at the time. And why do Western countries have to be perfect before they can point out the greater mysogeny in Islam? Why do Western countries have to have 0 (zero) rapes or murders of women (or NEVER, as you put it), but Muslim countries can do so in the name of their religion and in the name of tolerance we are all supposed to just throw up our hands and say, "Oh well." and shut up about it?

You were mocking PIK and I called you out on it. What's weird is you did not defend your words to PIK so I take it I was right. You may now continue with your vociferous defence of Muslims and Islam.

Maybe not amongst some progressive Muslims who live in Western countries, but for the majority of the Muslim world, it is true.

We do not defend Islam 10th century practises. The thing that makes me lose all respect for you is in Islam you are nothing but a peice of meat for the men to do whatever they want, and you defend that?

You are right and those numbers tells me Islam is not welcome. Get over it. We live in a free society.

Sure, I understand the concept of acceptable losses. So what's the number? How many would pass the unacceptable threshold? 1000? 10,000? 1 million?

DoP This is Canada. We defend freedom of religion, regardless. It is not 'spreading Islam' to defend people's right to practice Islam. Your Islamophobia is not welcome.

You sound upset and not talking very rationally. I always talk rationally about Islam, and always refer to well-respected studies and surveys as well as mainstream reports of religious outrages perpetrated throughout the Muslim world, or in the West by Muslims. Others might not be so careful, but then the discussion often gets fractious given the noted habit of progressive defenders of Islam to hurl insults at anyone uncomfortable with it. Not true. It's proposing a study which will be used as the pretext for a law against free speech. Given the revulsion so many progressive have for free speech that's a reasonable fear. I don't know anyone who says that. However, if you examine surveys taken in the Muslim world you find enormous majorities, sometimes over 90%, in all our immigration source countries wanting Sharia law imposed. So being wary of that is, I think, quite reasonable. OUR Muslims, after all, mostly came from THERE, as did virtually every imam in every mosque in Canada, and nobody screened any of them for their religious or social views. Thus the belief of progressives that OUR Muslims desires on the subject differ hugely from THERE is, I think, somewhat irrational.

So much BS. Islamophobia is a word used to shut down conversations about a troubled religion. If that religion is so good why are muslims dying to get to a christian country?

They're only offended by it in that it's an attempt to ignore that the Christmas Season is a Christian holiday and festival. They're offended by stupidity, in other words, and twisting yourself around like a pretzel so as not to offend people who came to a Christian country but might not want to see or hear anything about Christians. I don't know anyone who is offended by either of those things. There are some Christians who don't believe in abortion - also Muslims and Sikhs and Hindus and Jews. I don't think anyone is offended by religious practice that aren't Christian unless they involve the open degradation of women or violence. Name one. I've never met anyone who thinks womens experiences aren't different from that of men or gay experiences aren't different from straights. This is all imaginary nonsense. No, conservatives just believe in self-reliance and individual freedoms and don't share the deep shame progressives and liberals have in being White and a member of Western society. They believe in merit, and welcome anyone who is as capable and skilled as they are, but don't believe in promoting or hiring or expressing admiration for people simply based on their race, religion, ethnicity or gender because that would be silly and brainless. They also don't believe in hand-wringing apologies for what our ancestors did to someone else's ancestors.

So much bullshit. Islamaphobia refers to those people who are so afraid of Islam, they are unable to talk rationally about it. They think a motion proposing a study is a law against free speech, that Muslims are just itching to impose the Most extreme form of Sharia on Wsterners, they spread myths fuelled by fear and ignorance, while denying and discounting anything suggesting Muslims aren't a threat to Western civilization. Please note that I am replying to you, but this is not explicitly about you. If you see yourself in the description above, that is not my problem. If you don't, then you have no need to take my comments personally.

So to reiterate, the term Islamophobia is a meaningless epithet used against anyone who questions Islamic doctrine or the interpretation of Islam being made by Imams or the behavior or culture or values of Muslims in general. It was invented by progressives to protect Islam from reform, and used by them and Islamists against anyone who wants to reform Islam, even if they're Muslims. It arises, on the part of progressives, from a generalized hate of Western society and a grievance/victim mentality which always seeks to align itself with anyone else perceived as anti-West, or who might be the 'victim' of Western or White oppression - whether they actually are or not.

The West never do anything good. Haven't you realized that yet? Everything bad in the world is the West's fault. Anything good happens despite the West. I'd really like to take some of these people and parachute them into Egypt or Nigeria or China so they'd be happy.

Walmart is a joke. If you believe walmart has saved you money you are wrong. The damage this company had done to small business and families is way more than the few cents you thought you saved. And the amount of money one family has taken south out of this country is disgusting.

Vancouver school board chokes on racist lefty workbook. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/susanna-moodie-roughing-it-in-the-bush-racists-language-vancouver-school-board-1.4294224

My bad, left out one word - "not", i'm not surprised by your confusion. Disagreeing, being angry or frustrated is not being a "snowflake". People on the right are rarely offended by differing opinions and when they are, they don't require councelling or safe spaces

Isn't that a cite for paying lip service to human rights? Weren't human right advocates loud enough for him to hear. If he's that stupid - what's he doing playing PM? I suppose we can blame stupid people for voting for him?

"78 per cent of Canadians agreed Muslims should adopt Canadian customs and values..." http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/fear-is-the-greatest-factor-survey-finds-canadians-worry-about-rise-of-racism-1.3592579

I just want to be clear from the start , that your right Canada belongs to all Canadians, regardless of color, race, creed , religion ,etc.....and while our Nations war cemeteries are full of men and women of mostly white heritage, there are also men and women from all the cultures from that period of Canada's history....North American Indian, Japanese, chinese, African American etc.....All giving their sacrifices for our nation, and all of them counting equally. That being said when you ask someone from say europe, or asia, or what ever " what does a typical Canadian look like" do they say east indian,Pakistanis, African American, North American Indian.....most of them if not all, will say Canadians are white, and play hockey and live in igloos..... Why is that, while traditional Canada has been white...for most of it's history.....White is still the majority skin color....And you don't need to be a Neo Nazi to see that..... Lets not even bring up Zul-Fiqar attitude about the whole subject who basically said the same thing.........when he states that he was born in Canada , and his citizenship holds more water than someone who just immigrated here....WOW, who cares...... does that mean that i , having family here in Canada for 5 generations, have more say than ZUL-Fiqar and any Canadian matter i don't think so..........he also states that there should be less white people immigrating to Canada......and then wonders why every one else is a little pissed off at his remarks....his statements were meant to create a negative reaction, he is nothing more than a "troll"....a troll that is not happy with is Canadian citizenship status and one that has a poor historical knowledge about his birth country..........Canada is not holding you prisoner, your free to return to your parents original country....at anytime...it seems racistism is a double edge sword.....

It's the USA! USA! cult that is a murderous problem everywhere it goes.

Yes...it is VERY important to add that qualifier that Islam hasn't yet become the same murderous problem in Canada as it has... EVERYWHERE ELSE IT GOES... ...very, very important. You do your cult proud.

Stop trolling. All religions are stupid mind control nonsense. But that's a choice people are free to make, within the law. Islam is not a problem in Canada. Islamophobia is.

Who the hell cares. It's a religion. They're all archaic and strange. But people are free to practice as they wish, within the law. There is no justification for Islamophobia in Canada.

I wonder what is the required frequency/scale of terrorist attacks before Western societies start doing something about it. I get the feeling most Western politicians would be ok with a few thousand casualties per year in their countries. They might even like it, it gives them the needed excuse to keep increasing government power and surveillance. How many must die before governments are forced to do something real to address the issue?

"Black people" are far more likely to be shot by other "Black people" not obeying the law. So where are the protests ? Are victims that selective ?

Time to stretch your imagination as to what problem terrorists cause in the world and what type of behaviour they display and when they are Muslim extremist terrorists and get called out for that behaviour, it doesn't make calling that behaviour, Islamaphobic. You have a selective imagination. For example on another thread you post in when a regular contributor poses quite proudly as a Muslim fundamentalist from Turkey and calls people Kafir, you remain silent as to what that means. This is why you have zero credibility when it comes to talking about any discriminatory behaviour as do many on this thread defending Muslim extremism from criticism calling it Islamophobia. You selectively condone bigotry stated in the name of Islam on this forum in one thread then come on this one preaching like some righteous saint on Islamophobia.

Whatever the cause $10 says it'll be the left that's blamed for it.