Happy canada day everyone

[Moonlight Graham]

Ya the whites ones like india.

India is a very impoverished country. The vast majority of its people live in horrible conditions.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Look at america whom rejected their history for thier ties to england and look at them now, despised ,broke and going nowhere....

Yea...just look at them..."despised and broke"....just like "england" (United Kingdom). The UK and USA are the closest of allies, with a bond that is far stronger than anything in Canada's royal game. So yea...happy canada day...defined yet again by what you are not.

[cybercoma]

It's got to make you wonder what American in their right mind would bother trolling a Canadian politics forum.

[bush_cheney2004]

It's got to make you wonder what American in their right mind would bother trolling a Canadian politics forum.

No more than wondering why Americans and America are so pervasive in this and many other aspects of discourse on a Canadian politics forum.

[PIK]

Yea...just look at them..."despised and broke"....just like "england" (United Kingdom). The UK and USA are the closest of allies, with a bond that is far stronger than anything in Canada's royal game. So yea...happy canada day...defined yet again by what you are not.

You are days away from bankruptcy and the british hate you , so WTF are you talking about.

[Sandy MacNab]

Yes, Canada day was greatly celebrated in Canada but mostly ruined by the intrusion of the British Monarchy in Ottawa. Don't they have a Britain Day or some other parade to go to in their own country?

Why don't you find a deserted island in the North Atlantic; go there to pick your nose and growl at the universe.

[DogOnPorch]

Yes, Canada day was greatly celebrated in Canada but mostly ruined by the intrusion of the British Monarchy in Ottawa. Don't they have a Britain Day or some other parade to go to in their own country?

In one week, the town will vote on a special referendum on

Proposition 24, the proposition to get rid of immigrants. Everyone

cheers, including Quimby.

In class, a mob surrounds Uter as Nelson pulls his suspenders.

Nelson: Hey, German boy. Go back to Germania!

[everyone laughs]

Uter: I do not deserve this. I have come here legally as an

exchange student!

Principal Skinner: Young man, the only thing we exchanged for you is our national

dignity.

[everyone laughs]

[bush_cheney2004]

You are days away from bankruptcy and the british hate you , so WTF are you talking about.

That's OK...Canadians like you hate America too, but your economy says otherwise.

[Sandy MacNab]

I am beginning to think this was a mistake to wish people on this board happy canada day. I think canadians have become very spoiled and don't realize how fucking good we got it. One of the biggest reasons we have it so good is because of our history and being lucky to be part of the british empire. And if you actually took the time to read history and check to look at countries that were part of a empire ,the british ones have mostly turn out great. Look at america whom rejected their history for thier ties to england and look at them now, despised ,broke and going nowhere. I am so sick of the hatreds (and I am just as guilty) over just about anything that goes on in this country. I find it quite enjoyable that we can at least once a year to have huge crowds in canada ,where everyone is having fun, no looting , no car burnIngs , no police actions. But yet certain canadians still are not happy and will complain and bitch no matter what. We all need to CHANGE.

Indeed! The British Empire, though not without blemishes, left its colonies institutions and traditions that have benefited them immensely since they gained independence. There isn't another former colonial power that has such a proud record.

[Guest American Woman]

You are days away from bankruptcy and the british hate you , so WTF are you talking about.

Days, eh? Makes one wonder how Canada managed to stay afloat in the past - as well as the United States. You obviously don't know much history. There are ebbs and tides in both of our nations, which both of our nations have managed to weather quite well. So I hate to ruin your Canada Day weekend, but the U.S. is far from bankruptcy.

As for the British hating us .... just where are the newlyweds headed in a few days? On their first trip abroad? Hmmmmmm? Oh, that's right. The United States.

Edited July 2, 2011 by American Woman

[Sandy MacNab]

Yes...Sierra Leone, Ghana, Uganda, Nigeria, Kenya, South Africa, Somalia, Sudan, Egypt, Yemen, Iraq, Jordan, India, Myanmar, Papua New Guinea etc. etc. all doing well!

Wait, you probably meant the white ones?

You sure are an ignorant cuss. All of those countries have parliaments and other institutes based on British models. They also were given a reasonably good start when Britain left. The fact that some, by no means all, are having huge difficulties is their own fault, not Britain's.

[RNG]

You sure are an ignorant cuss. All of those countries have parliaments and other institutes based on British models. They also were given a reasonably good start when Britain left. The fact that some, by no means all, are having huge difficulties is their own fault, not Britain's.

Historically, the British colonies did way better at the start of independence than Belgian, French, German or basically any others because Britain at least tried to transition them over a period of time. The others mostly just left one day.

Then, their tribalism mostly started to become dominant, their jealousy prevailed, and look at where they are now. Even South Africa is going down the tubes.

[jbg]

It's got to make you wonder what American in their right mind would bother trolling a Canadian politics forum.

Was that shot aimed at me?

[Moonlight Graham]

You sure are an ignorant cuss. All of those countries have parliaments and other institutes based on British models. They also were given a reasonably good start when Britain left. The fact that some, by no means all, are having huge difficulties is their own fault, not Britain's.

And i'm the ignorant one?

What good has imposed 'British parliaments' had on the political landscape of most former colonies (ones not ruled but white former Brits/europeans that is)? A large amount those colonies have had military coups shortly after 'independence', and with more coups scattered throughout the decades since. The British destroyed the native traditional political institutions of the people they colonized, & the Brits & the West have tried to impose western liberal democratic political systems that are incompatible with the cultures and political traditions of the native groups, not to mention being unworkable with the economic conditions and weak governance systems left in place.

European empires, including the British, ruled via dictatorship/authoritarianism within many former colonies in order to control them, enforced through military coercion. Is it any wonder that so many former colonies are now ruled via dictators and authoritarian regimes often run by the military? This is the type of political system that European empires taught their subjects, not 'democratic parliamentary' systems. It is what many former colonies lived under for a long time, about the only thing they knew/know.

This is certainly not the entire reason for political failure in former colonies, as it is a highly complex issue, and they themselves share some blame of course.

They also were given a reasonably good start when Britain left. The fact that some, by no means all, are having huge difficulties is their own fault, not Britain's.

What exactly constitutes a 'reasonably good start' to you? Stealing their natural resources? Stealing their ancient artifacts? Destroying their pre-colonial cultures and traditional societies? Enslaving many millions of their strongest male workers? Pitting imagined 'ethnic groups' against each other through 'divide & rule' tactics? etc...

You also realize that most of these "countries" didn't even exist in the first place until the Brits and other European empires carved them up into artificial borders without their input?

[WWWTT]

After reading the comments here I'm almost afraid to add something!Someone may try to twist my words to start an argument.

Happy Canada day!

Enjoy the fireworks!

WWWTT

[Moonlight Graham]

Historically, the British colonies did way better at the start of independence than Belgian, French, German or basically any others because Britain at least tried to transition them over a period of time. The others mostly just left one day.

Then, their tribalism mostly started to become dominant, their jealousy prevailed, and look at where they are now. Even South Africa is going down the tubes.

This is a supremely overly-simplistic and inaccurate description of the troubles of former colonies. What 'tribalism'? African 'tribes' are a mostly imagined categorization formed by the racial thinking of 18th-20th century Europeans, and these inaccurate categorizations exist to this day. Most African languages don't even have a word for the term 'tribe'. Add to this the 'divide and conquer' tactics that the British and other Europeans used to pit their often imaginatively constructed groups against each other, which has been a large component of the 'ethnic violence' that has occurred in different African countries.

Here's a good article on the subject: http://www.africasia.com

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

[RNG]

This is a supremely overly-simplistic and inaccurate description of the troubles of former colonies. What 'tribalism'? African 'tribes' are a mostly imagined categorization formed by the racial thinking of 18th-20th century Europeans, and these inaccurate categorizations exist to this day. Most African languages don't even have a word for the term 'tribe'. Add to this the 'divide and conquer' tactics that the British and other Europeans used to pit their often imaginatively constructed groups against each other, which has been a large component of the 'ethnic violence' that has occurred in different African countries.

Here's a good article on the subject: http://www.africasia.com

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

So, you never heard of Hutus and Tutsis?

[Jack Weber]

So, you never heard of Hutus and Tutsis?

And clearly,you've never heared of the colonial Belgians playing tribe off against tribe to get what they really wanted in Rwanda or the Congo(s)???

Clueless,as usual...

Edited July 3, 2011 by Jack Weber

[Scotty]

According to the constitution, the name of the country is Canada. Here you're just playing semantics.

And the name of the United States is the United States, not the Republic of the United States.

Does that mean they're not a republic?

[Scotty]

Yes, Canada day was greatly celebrated in Canada but mostly ruined by the intrusion of the British Monarchy in Ottawa. Don't they have a Britain Day or some other parade to go to in their own country?

Very few seem to agree with your sentiments. And most of them seem to be separatists.

The "British" monarchy is the Canadian monarchy, by law, tradition, and the will of the Canadian people. If you're not happy with that you can always leave.

[Oleg Bach]

Happy Canada Day, from the nation's capital.

[/quote}

The most civilized nation on earth! I am proud to be part of it. As scripture says - " the leaf is for the healing of the nations" to para phrase - we have every nation on earth living in one nation in mutual co-operation and loving respect - The future of Canada is one that will set a great example to all others. BUT let me remind new Canadians upon arrival - WE Canadians have domain and ownership over this place - It is not a non-nation that is up for grabs - so welcome to the family and remember..this is now your home and new adopted family - be loyal!

[Scotty]

Yes...Sierra Leone, Ghana, Uganda, Nigeria, Kenya, South Africa, Somalia, Sudan, Egypt, Yemen, Iraq, Jordan, India, Myanmar, Papua New Guinea etc. etc. all doing well!

Wait, you probably meant the white ones?

I would say that in most cases the British did a lot for the places they ruled, in the broad sense. The rapid devolution of power to locals in the late forties and fifties, however, was a disaster instigated by the Americans and Russians for different reasons. Many of those people were still barbarians incapable of ruling themselves with anything approaching wisdom and justice. Many have actually gone downhill since then. That can hardly be blamed on the British. The Somalians, for example, were not really colonized. They were Muslims who invaded their Christian neighbors (Ethiopia) and were in league with the Ottomans against the Christians for centuries. They were defeated by the British in the early 20th century, and, I think, occupied by Italians not that long afterwards. Sudan wasn't a colony, either. It was conquered in the late nineteth century mostly to safeguard the waters flowing into Egypt - which also wasn't a colony. Its ruler had invited the British in some time earlier. You're not distinguishing between 'colonies', as in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, ie, places where the British sent hordes of people to start up a new nation, and conquered territories.

Edited July 3, 2011 by Scotty

[Scotty]

It's got to make you wonder what American in their right mind would bother trolling a Canadian politics forum.

None do, that I'm aware of.

[Scotty]

No more than wondering why Americans and America are so pervasive in this and many other aspects of discourse on a Canadian politics forum.

Well, it's like, you have this nice, neat, tidy little home on the street, and right next door is this huge family of slovenly, brawling oafs who are always screaming and howling and fighting, shooting off guns. Half of them are addicted to porn and pain killers, and the other half are religious wackos screaming their praise to Jesus at all hours of the day and night. And they're all so fat that when they walk by the house shakes. That family is simply bound to often come up in the conversation pretty frequently...

[Scotty]

European empires, including the British, ruled via dictatorship/authoritarianism within many former colonies in order to control them, enforced through military coercion.

ALL nations were ruled in that fashion, whether by European rulers or their own local dictators. What, you think the native rulers in Africa, Asia, the middle east or South America were benevolent democrats who took votes or something?