scribblet Posted June 7, 2007 Report Posted June 7, 2007 Suspicions confirmed - could this be a case of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/0...ent_iran_c.html Document: Iran Caught Red-Handed Shipping Arms to Taliban NATO officials say they have caught Iran red-handed, shipping heavy arms, C4 explosives and advanced roadside bombs to the Taliban for use against NATO forces, in what the officials say is a dramatic escalation of Iran's proxy war against the United States and Great Britain. "It is inconceivable that it is anyone other than the Iranian government that's doing it," said former White House counterterrorism official Richard Clarke, an ABC News consultant. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stopped short earlier this week of blaming Iran, saying the U.S. did not have evidence "of the involvement of the Iranian government in support of the Taliban." But an analysis by a senior coalition official, obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com, concludes there is clear evidence of Iran's involvement. "This is part of a considered policy," says the analysis, "rather than the result of low-level corruption and weapons smuggling." Iran and the Taliban had been fierce enemies when the Taliban was in power in Afghanistan, and their apparent collaboration came as a surprise to some in the intelligence community. "I think their goal is to make it very clear that Iran has the capability to make life worse for the United States on a variety of fronts," said Seth Jones of the Rand Institute, "even if they have to do some business with a group that has historically been their enemy.".............;cont. http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/?page=2007%5C...31-5-2007_pg7_5 LAHORE: As NATO troops in Afghanistan have begun intercepting sophisticated Iranian arms bound for the Taliban, US, NATO and Afghan officials are growing more concerned about Iranian policy in Afghanistan, says a Knight Ridder report. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
sharkman Posted June 7, 2007 Report Posted June 7, 2007 Well why not, they already arm the Islam terrorists in Iraq. Iran needs to get their chain jerked, but no one seems able to do it. Quote
Figleaf Posted June 7, 2007 Report Posted June 7, 2007 This is all such obvious bullcrap. Did you read that ABC article? Garble? The coalition analysis says munitions recovered in two Iranian convoys, on April 11 and May 3, had "clear indications that they originated in Iran. Some were identical to Iranian supplied goods previously discovered in Iraq."The April convoy was tracked from Iran into Helmand province and led a fierce firefight that destroyed one vehicle, according to the official analysis. A second vehicle was reportedly found to contain small arms ammunition, mortar rounds and more than 650 pounds of C4 demolition charges. A second convoy of two vehicles was spotted on May 3 and led to the capture of five occupants and the seizure of RPG-7mm rockets and more than 1,000 pounds of C4, the analysis says. Also among the munitions are components for the lethal EFPs, or explosive formed projectiles, the roadside bombs that U.S. officials say Iran has provided to Iraqi insurgents with deadly results. "These clearly have the hallmarks of the Iranian Revolution Guards' Quds force," said Jones. Whaaat? Does anyone think that rings true? Quote
jbg Posted June 7, 2007 Report Posted June 7, 2007 Suspicions confirmed - could this be a case of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/0...ent_iran_c.html Document: Iran Caught Red-Handed Shipping Arms to Taliban NATO officials say they have caught Iran red-handed, shipping heavy arms, C4 explosives and advanced roadside bombs to the Taliban for use against NATO forces, in what the officials say is a dramatic escalation of Iran's proxy war against the United States and Great Britain. *snip* Another example of a pattern I have identified (link). Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
scribblet Posted June 7, 2007 Author Report Posted June 7, 2007 Poor misunderstood Iran Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Argus Posted June 7, 2007 Report Posted June 7, 2007 Poor misunderstood Iran Thankfully, the gentle, soulful, religious leaders of Iraq will always have people like Figleaf to defend their good reputation. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
buffycat Posted June 7, 2007 Report Posted June 7, 2007 Poor misunderstood Iran Thankfully, the gentle, soulful, religious leaders of Iraq will always have people like Figleaf to defend their good reputation. I thought we were discussing IRAN. Quote "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" ~ Ghandi
Rue Posted June 7, 2007 Report Posted June 7, 2007 This is all such obvious bullcrap.Does anyone think that rings true? Is it possible Figleaf your bias and preconceived notions as to Iran preclude you from conveiving that it funds terrorist activities? Do you think that could be true? Quote
jbg Posted June 8, 2007 Report Posted June 8, 2007 This is all such obvious bullcrap. Does anyone think that rings true? Is it possible Figleaf your bias and preconceived notions as to Iran preclude you from conveiving that it funds terrorist activities? Do you think that could be true? For him, the only good Jew or Christian is a dead one.Apology made. I do not believe this to be true. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
betsy Posted June 8, 2007 Report Posted June 8, 2007 It's just a matter of time Iran's true colors, what a lot of us had believed all along, will be exposed to the world. I guess that time is starting to roll out now. Quote
obsidian Posted June 8, 2007 Report Posted June 8, 2007 Umm where is the proof? secretary of defense says they don't have any. "senior coalition analysyst" concludes there is clear evidence of Iran's involvement. who do you think knows more? oh wait lets see what a FORMER counter terrorism official. "It is inconceivable that it is anyone other than the Iranian government that's doing it," this article is all oppinion and no fact. the SoD even discredits this thread. is this not the same bullshit from Corporate US news that got them into the blunder that is Iraq? the whole article rests on an un-named analyst... note: they mention tracking a convoy then finding a SECOND car with explosives. 1000kg of c4 isnt that feasible for one truck as well. Quote
sharkman Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 I thought it was the misinformation of the CIA that got them into Iraq. This report is more than speculation, obviously the U.S. Gov. is being careful of what they offically say, but it's not uncomon for them to deny and also accuse. Quote
gc1765 Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 oh wait lets see what a FORMER counter terrorism official. "It is inconceivable that it is anyone other than the Iranian government that's doing it," this article is all oppinion and no fact. the SoD even discredits this thread. The right-wingers believe him when he says that Iran is supplying weapons...but when this same former counter terrorism official said that Bush did absolutely nothing to deal with the threat from al-qaeda before 9/11, or when he says he specifically told Bush that sadam had no link to al qaeda, the right-wingers tried to discredit him. Go figure. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
BC_chick Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 For him, the only good Jew or Christian is a dead one. LOL Nothing gets by you eh? Nice theatrics, but I hope you argue better than that in court. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
geoffrey Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Where have I seen this before? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5328592.stm I'll believe it when I see some realistic evidence. Would I be suprised? Nah. The leadership in Iran is pretty much as scary as it gets. But these people have zero crediability anymore. They've really got to step up and provide some hard evidence. The boy that cries wolf definitely has to try harder the second time around. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
jbg Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 The right-wingers believe him when he says that Iran is supplying weapons...but when this same former counter terrorism official said that Bush did absolutely nothing to deal with the threat from al-qaeda before 9/11, or when he says he specifically told Bush that sadam had no link to al qaeda, the right-wingers tried to discredit him. Go figure. Don't you just love it that so many people have so much time on their hands that they can afford to live lives of planning terror? And that you and I are funding them? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
gc1765 Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Don't you just love it that so many people have so much time on their hands that they can afford to live lives of planning terror? And that you and I are funding them? ????? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jbg Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Don't you just love it that so many people have so much time on their hands that they can afford to live lives of planning terror? And that you and I are funding them? ????? No comprende? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Figleaf Posted June 10, 2007 Report Posted June 10, 2007 This is all such obvious bullcrap. Does anyone think that rings true? Is it possible Figleaf your bias and preconceived notions as to Iran preclude you from conveiving that it funds terrorist activities? Do you think that could be true? Not likely, since I have no favorable feelings whatsoever for the Iranian theocratic regime. What you don't seem to grasp is that I don't have to feel favorably toward Iran to feel negatively about having our own media and governments trying to feed us heaping plates of shit about it. Shit is shit, even if I don't like the people being lied about. There's a repetitious script on this forum that is getting tiresome.. Media: "Hey hey hey! Can I offer you big steaming plate of shit?"Figleaf: "No thanks, I don't enjoy shit." Media: "What about if we give you only carefully vetted shit, shit that smells like the same shit all the time, shit processed to take out all the chunks that might reveal the origins of the shit. How about that?" Figleaf: "No thanks, I don't want your shit." Rightwing Posters' Chorus: "YOU MUST LOVE IRAN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO EAT MEDIA SHIT!!!" Quote
Higgly Posted June 10, 2007 Report Posted June 10, 2007 It should come as no surprise to anyone that in Iran there are probably people hollering: "US Caught Red-Handed Shipping Arms to Jalal Talabani". Every day I come here and I marvel at the extent of the "myside-ism" that exists here. My side is always right, and the other side is always wrong. This is what got us into this mess in the first place and as long as it exists, we will stay mired in this mess. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Remiel Posted June 12, 2007 Report Posted June 12, 2007 An interesting take on the story... http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=38123 Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted June 12, 2007 Report Posted June 12, 2007 An interesting take on the story...http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=38123 This amusing site is wonderful - a place where it is actually up for debate as to whether Iran is arming insurgents in Iraq, arming hezbollah or the Taliban. what a laughable state of affairs. well, if there is one good thing about this world - it is certainly amusing. Quote
Black Dog Posted June 12, 2007 Report Posted June 12, 2007 This amusing site is wonderful - a place where it is actually up for debate as to whether Iran is arming insurgents in Iraq, arming hezbollah or the Taliban. That Iran has connections to Hizbullah and Iraqi militias (and the Iraqi government) is not in question. But the Taliban? Ludicrous. Quote
Figleaf Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 An interesting take on the story...http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=38123 So, basically this whole story was a stinking pile of crap all along. I hope the kneejerk warmongering rightwingers learn a lesson from this (as if). Quote
M.Dancer Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 If the clearly biased IPS news org.can be taken at face value, there is no question that arms are being smuggled from Iran, just whether the Iranian governments finger prints are on the highly sophisticated weapons being smuggled or not. That suggests that the Iranian government has little control over their weapons industries and that the iranian gov't is unaware of what and whom flows through their not so pourous borders.... sounds like they learned a thing or two from Ollie North and Co. Plausible deniability. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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