POLL: Regarding Muslim population in Canada

[taxme]

On 11/22/2017 at 3:08 AM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

This is stupid comment. My point was not to ask you or anyone to out themselves since the nature of forum is anonymity. What I was saying was that you take advantage of this fact and spread hate otherwise you cannot do in public where your identity is known.

You also take advantage of spreading your beliefs and opinions and fake nonsense like telling me I am spreading hate here without having to out yourself for saying this. So, according to your way of thinking is that I should out myself, but not you?  

This constant promoting of hatred and intolerance by you towards anyone whom you do not agree with needs to stop. This liberal brainwashing that you have appeared to sign up for really has caused you to speak nonsense politically correct talk. 

Anyway, a stupid reply. 

[ironstone]

It could never happen in a country which richly  rewards someone like Omar Khadr in spite of his actions and hatred for us.

In fact,it seems this government is trying to protect Islam.Think of M103.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-safety-canada/news/2017/08/government_of_canadahelpscommunitiesatriskprotectthemselvesfromh.html

Political correctness running wild.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

In fact,it seems this government is trying to protect Islam.Think of M103. 

M103 was supposed to give us Sharia Law, but of course nothing like that happened.

 

Yes, M103 happened in a country where hate mongers make Muslims into monsters, and people go into Mosques to shoot them.  Why don't you just say clearly which side you're on and who you support ?

[Argus]

17 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

M103 was supposed to give us Sharia Law, but of course nothing like that happened.

No, it was not. The fear was it would lead to a study which would recommend restrictions on freedom of speech.

That study is now underway. We shall see what its recommendations are what the government does about them.

[Rue]

18 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

M103 was supposed to give us Sharia Law, but of course nothing like that happened.

 

Yes, M103 happened in a country where hate mongers make Muslims into monsters, and people go into Mosques to shoot them.  Why don't you just say clearly which side you're on and who you support ?

First off M103  deliberately singled out only one type of discrimination/hate for condemnation and that is why people like me challenged it as pandering. Don't lump all people like me in with others who felt it will enable sharia law to be enacted,  thank you.

Next, stop trying to lump me or others in as being anti Muslim because we detest Muslim terrorists. Nothing in what Ironside said requires clarification as to where he stands. He like I can't stand terrorists whether they are Muslim or any thing else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 30, 2017 by Rue

[?Impact]

Motion 103 (emphasis is mine to illustrate key actions)

That, in the opinion of the House, the government should: (a) recognize the need to quell the increasing public climate of hate and fear; (b) condemn Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination and take note of House of Commons’ petition e-411 and the issues raised by it; and (c) request that the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage undertake a study on how the government could (i) develop a whole-of-government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination including Islamophobia, in Canada, while ensuring a community-centered focus with a holistic response through evidence-based policy-making, (ii) collect data to contextualize hate crime reports and to conduct needs assessments for impacted communities, and that the Committee should present its findings and recommendations to the House no later than 240 calendar days from the adoption of this motion, provided that in its report, the Committee should make recommendations that the government may use to better reflect the enshrined rights and freedoms in the Constitution Acts, including the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

 

I don't think the study began when the motion was passed, as it would have been due to be released on November 18th, which is past. I found an article in the National Post that said it began on September 18, so I guess that means it is due on May 16, 2018.

[Goddess]

40 minutes ago, Rue said:

I don't have the luxury you have of stereotyping all Muslims as innocent. One of them may very well one day not distinguish me from anyone else on this planet other than one thing-that I am a Jew, so I can't afford to be some sheltered  liberal like you.

None of us do - Jews, women or gays.  There's a Muslim on another thread here outright saying that LGBQ people should be treated (or threatened, we're not sure) to force them to live a "normal" life because they are "perverts".  Only one person here had the balls to say anything to him/her/it/them.  Funny how when Muslims spout hatred, the silence is deafening.

Edited November 30, 2017 by Goddess

[Rue]

2 hours ago, ?Impact said:

Motion 103 (emphasis is mine to illustrate key actions)

That, in the opinion of the House, the government should: (a) recognize the need to quell the increasing public climate of hate and fear; (b) condemn Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination and take note of House of Commons’ petition e-411 and the issues raised by it; and (c) request that the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage undertake a study on how the government could (i) develop a whole-of-government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination including Islamophobia, in Canada, while ensuring a community-centered focus with a holistic response through evidence-based policy-making, (ii) collect data to contextualize hate crime reports and to conduct needs assessments for impacted communities, and that the Committee should present its findings and recommendations to the House no later than 240 calendar days from the adoption of this motion, provided that in its report, the Committee should make recommendations that the government may use to better reflect the enshrined rights and freedoms in the Constitution Acts, including the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

 

I don't think the study began when the motion was passed, as it would have been due to be released on November 18th, which is past. I found an article in the National Post that said it began on September 18, so I guess that means it is due on May 16, 2018.

Thank you for the operative wording and the question for me is not the above wording simply why Islamophobia was singled out. I know it sounds like I am engaging in a war of semantics but for me its a big issue. If you single out one form of hatred above all others it panders to that group-it courts favour with that mentioned group  which for me ruins what it intended to do, bring people together-instead it divides by singling Muslims out.

It singled out Islamphobia twice and for me what is wrong with that is that it panders to Muslims by deliberately singling them out. Its wrong to single Muslims out. Trudeau is doing it. He's the one singling Muslims out and I think that's bad. 

Here's my argument. The above bill would not have caused a look from anyone if it didn't single out the word Islamophobia. It would have been even more powerful in my opinion not drawing special attention to Islamic hatred. because it did not have to. You see the hate crime did. However by twice singling out Muslims, it did at one level however well  intended do  what the sick idiot did who singled out Muslims in the Mosque attack. Its part of this singling out of people for specific treatment I do not like. Everyone of us is a Muslim in the sense that NONE of us should be a target of crime or hatred or terrorism or engage in it.

Trudeau said yesterday its Islamophobic to argue against his policy of repatriation and rehabilitation of ISIL TERRORISTS. He engaged the Muslim card arguing if Muslims are terrorists its anti Muslim to challenge their terrorism. That is just wrong. Trudeau wants it both ways. He wants to use the Muslim card to get special favour for Muslim terrorists coming back to Canada but why? Why should any terrorist of any religion be repatriated? That's the issue.How is it anti Muslim? The concerns about repatriating the terrorists is as to their extremist beliefs. If they want to use Islam or any thing else to advance that extremism its not protected and  given special cover by Trudeau and liberals on this forum. There should be no magic carte blanche bull shit anti Muslim accusation that prevents challenging Trudeau's idiotic beliefs.

I don't give a damn what religion the terrorist is. Thinking you can send them to school to be "deradicalized" is  past stupid- its the fantasy of sheltered morons who are endangering Canadians and think if they make boogy men cuddly poof they become cuddly.

I have witnessed terrorism. I have seen who does it. These scum don't go to school and poof change. What an idiotic unrealistic moronic thing to believe let alone to single out all Muslims as if when we criticize Muslim terrorists all Muslims as Trudeau assumes, will believe its an attack on them. Oh horse shit. The point is no terrorist in ISIL is going to change because of some idiotic course given to them. When people fear bad things, one way they can cope is to turn the monster into a misunderstood victim. Terrorists aren't misunderstood victims as Trudeau has posed them. Trudeau poses them as victims. They aren't victims they create victims. They made choices. They chose violence and terror. I know people who have walked out of the very same environment and did not turn to terror, they turned to practicing law, social work, medicine, using their hearts, their minds and their souls to pull themselves out of the dismal reality of the here and now and yet Trudeau and his legend of morons don't focus and welcome them-he focuses on terrorists. He hasn't a clue what it means to come out of a bad environment and work your way out. He's a sheltered idiot. He's never worked for a damn thing. He thinks all things are givens and when you question him he has tantrums in Parliament, narcissist hissy fits when questioned. How dare someone question Justin Trudeau. How dare you. You insolent Muslim hater you.

Oh Phack Trudeau's patronization. Muslims come to this country to flee terrorism. They came here to get away from it. More Muslims are killed by terrorists overseas then anyone else and Trudeau not me, not Argus, not Ironside, is the one lumping them all together as one.

If you are a member of ISIL you belong in jail whether you are a Canadian citizen or immigrant. Your being Muslim is not the issue. Your being a member of a radical Muslim group is. This is Canada.There can be no room, no tolerance for terrorists.

For that matter whether you are a Canadian or an immigrant, if you want to perpetuate beliefs that are anti-semitic, anti-gay, anti-woman, anti tolerance and freedom of speech, ant-democratic  don't as Trudeau does stand up in the House shedding tears for gays one moment and pander and then the next  attend to and support Muslim  or any other extremist fundamentalist groups.

In fact Justin Trudeau is the exact opposite of his father. His father was my MP. Pierre Trudeau was clear he would never single out any one group for an apology. His son has now made a mockery out of his crying sessions. A week does not go by he does not lecture people and cry. What a sniveling twit. Oh boo hoo. Someone get this ameoba a spinal cord.

This sniveling snit of a snot showed up at a holocaust memorial which had a plaque that made no mention of Jews. This is an idiot who has attended other holocaust memorials  and never mentioned Jews but he sure as hell has no problem singling out Muslims when he wants to. This two faced selective sniffler had nothing to say when Muslims attended an Al Quds gathering at Queen's Park singing and shouting, chop off the heads of Jews, knife them, kill them. Not a peep.

Not a peep from Trudeau over the anti semitic speeches coming out of the same Mosques he attended for worship. Not a peep out of him about mosques spewing anti gay, anti semitic, anti woman hate comments out. Not a damn peep but hey he cries. He cries you know for gays, aboriginals and whatever the trendy issue of the day is next week to keep people focused away from the fact his finance Minister is a corrupt, dishonest, elitist liar and he Trudeau has bankrupt this nation with out of control deficits, unskilled illegal migrants dependent on the government and can't even pay his friggin civil servants..

There is a way to commemorate pain and suffering without politicians using it to pander for votes. Ceremonies recognizing contribution, sacrifice, past sufferings of Canadians should be done by the Governor General on behalf of the Queen our ceremonial and NEUTRAL head of state or each province's Lt. Gov. General not elected politicians. 

There should be no appearance of partisan manipulation of someone's pain and suffering.

That's my opinion. As for Muslims I don't care what they wear, what they say, if they act like peaceful people I have no problems-bring intolerant hateful views to us and  expect us to support them, No. Who the phack says I must tolerate intolerance. What bs.

 

[Argus]

3 hours ago, ?Impact said:

Motion 103 (emphasis is mine to illustrate key actions)

That, in the opinion of the House, the government should: (a) recognize the need to quell the increasing public climate of hate and fear; (

Yeah, that's the issue. Just how they decide to 'quell' this alleged "increasing public climate of hate and fear".

[?Impact]

52 minutes ago, Rue said:

 why Islamophobia was singled out

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He's [Trudeau] the one singling Muslims out and I think that's bad.

I don't recall any issues with the Canadian Parliamentary Coalition to Combat Antisemitism, or The Inter-parliamentary Coalition for Combating Antisemitism. They singled out a group that has been the target of hate and tried to see how we can address it, and was well supported by all parties in Canada. Did you have the same concerns about Jason Kenny as you do Justin Trudeau? 

Edited November 30, 2017 by ?Impact

[?Impact]

44 minutes ago, Argus said:

Yeah, that's the issue. Just how they decide to 'quell' this alleged "increasing public climate of hate and fear".

You are misreading the statement.

[Rue]

19 hours ago, ?Impact said:

I don't recall any issues with the Canadian Parliamentary Coalition to Combat Antisemitism, or The Inter-parliamentary Coalition for Combating Antisemitism. They singled out a group that has been the target of hate and tried to see how we can address it, and was well supported by all parties in Canada. Did you have the same concerns about Jason Kenny as you do Justin Trudeau? 

I do. I for one had issues as to politicians engaging in platitudes. I think the above coalition proved it was just a bunch of bull shit politicians spitting out platitudes to make it look good for their images in front of their constituents. It was a classic make us look like we are doing something project.

Now while you are on the topic.  it wasn't done hot in response to a specific political incident and it did not use the same wording as the bill I question  otherwise yes I would have had the identical problem.

Since you raised it, I put no credence or credibility in any government Parliamentary coalition. Its political bull shit to make politicians look like they are doing something. Attitudes and behaviour won't cha spewing platitudes and no Justin Trudeau won't shed a tear for Jews-they don't bring with them as many votes as the Muslim constituency he thinks he has captive.  If he ever tries  that stunt I will be the first to tell him to phack off. Its also a little late. The moron stood up at Holocaust day and never once mentioned Jews and then attended some bullshit unveiling of a holocaust memorial that made no mention of Jews in the plaque.

As for Jason Kenney, I don't remember him attending radical mosques or appointing as his Middle East  advisor a pro Hamas anti semitic advocate called Omar Alleghbra who has openly called for the destruction of Israel and condoned terrorism of Hamas. I know I was at own of his meetings. I also don't remember Kinney suggesting we bring ISIL or other terrorists back into Canada to "re-educate" them.

So no of course Kenney  did not give me the same concerns as Trudeau does. 

Your attempt to suggest I engage in a double standard is noted.

You might want to try again.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2017 by Rue

[Rue]

20 hours ago, Argus said:

Yeah, that's the issue. Just how they decide to 'quell' this alleged "increasing public climate of hate and fear".

They will send us all to education camps for rehabilitation starting with you. Then when they fail we can claim to be terrorists tortured by them and ask for $50 million each.

[CITIZEN_2015]

The topic is so ridiculous, I can't believe we are actually discussing it. It revolves all around Islamophobia. Would you life sentence the whole neighborhood if one person committes a murder? Would you jail all priests if one molests a child?  Since when punishing the innocents has become a subject of discussion or debate?. Punish those who commit the crimes not the innocents who have nothing to do with it and themselves condemn the act and in many ways are the victims themselves. 

Edited December 1, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[Argus]

21 hours ago, ?Impact said:

You are misreading the statement.

Me speaks the good English.

[ironstone]

On ‎2017‎-‎11‎-‎29 at 7:31 PM, Michael Hardner said:

M103 was supposed to give us Sharia Law, but of course nothing like that happened.

 

Yes, M103 happened in a country where hate mongers make Muslims into monsters, and people go into Mosques to shoot them.  Why don't you just say clearly which side you're on and who you support ?

I don't want all Muslims interned even if Canadians are subjected to Islamic terrorist attacks.

I do not support Muslims being attacked or Mosques vandalized by idiots.

I also do not support M103 in any way,shape or form.

For anyone to deny that there is a very serious problem of radicalization within the Muslim world,he or she is simply out of touch with reality.I don't know how big or small the number of radicals is ,but these nutjobs intend to inflict serious harm .Remember the Toronto 18?

It is a clash of cultures in some cases as some of these newcomers do not integrate well into Western society.It's not just terrorist attacks by the way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/world/europe/coordinated-attacks-on-women-in-cologne-were-unprecedented-germany-says.html

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/346059

http://mackenzieinstitute.com/rise-islamic-extremism-canada/

Sharia law in Canada is also a real possibility by the way. 

http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/canada-sharia-law.html

https://www.theguardian.com/news/blog/2008/feb/08/sharialawincanadaalmost

[Michael Hardner]

The Guardian article is misleading xx and the billion bibles blog is basically a pack of lies.  I am truly sorry that you fall for Fake News.  Good luck.

[jacee]

On 30/11/2017 at 2:02 PM, Goddess said:

None of us do - Jews, women or gays.  There's a Muslim on another thread here outright saying that LGBQ people should be treated (or threatened, we're not sure) to force them to live a "normal" life because they are "perverts".  Only one person here had the balls to say anything to him/her/it/them.  Funny how when Muslims spout hatred, the silence is deafening.

WHO is the "Muslim" on mlw saying such things?

Link pls.

Edited December 4, 2017 by jacee

[Goddess]

13 hours ago, jacee said:

WHO is the "Muslim" on mlw saying such things?

Link pls.

And I already know all the excuses you will use for why it's okay for Muslims to say this and act on it, so don't bother.

Edited December 4, 2017 by Goddess