Diversity Stress

[Army Guy]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Came back to review this thread... a lot of name-calling.

There's no easy political axiom on immigration - business wants it, and progressives like foreigners but conservatives want to protect 'old stock' Canadian prosperity and socialists decry when wages are cut...

The environmentalists are the only consistent ones: earth first, economy last.

All others play both sides of the foozeball table IMO.

This is the face of todays discourse....topic is brought up and within 2 paras it ends up being a name calling fest...and it is not just regular Canadians like who is on this forum, have you watched parliament in action and how our government discusses topics it is the same thing....

Environmentalist remind me of that religion that always is whipping themselves on the back to atone for past sins.......sacrifice everything for the greater cause which changes nothing, in the greater picture ....which is to enrich others environmentalist who are playing both sides of the game...while the common folks pay for it all...and suffer in silence...because no one is listening... 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Environmentalist remind me of that religion that always is whipping themselves on the back to atone for past sins.......sacrifice everything for the greater cause which changes nothing, in the greater picture ....which is to enrich others environmentalist who are playing both sides of the game...while the common folks pay for it all...and suffer in silence...because no one is listening... 

Why don't you just kill us all? You know you wanna.

OTOH, how about MAID and sacrificing everything to hopelessness? Is political angst an allowable reason? Should it be?

[Barquentine]

23 hours ago, Nationalist said:

hate and illegal immigrant spit.

You seem to prefer white hate and spit. It's what all your posts are about.

[John Johnston]

21 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

You seem to prefer white hate and spit. It's what all your posts are about.

People who have failed in life tend to be mired in hatred. 

[Nationalist]

29 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

You seem to prefer white hate and spit. It's what all your posts are about.

Lol...yes dear...

[Barquentine]

On 6/14/2026 at 5:46 PM, Michael Hardner said:

Also the birthrate ticks up, I believe, at the higher end of the wealth curve

Not if you take Elon Musk out of the equation! But seriously, that's an insignificant number.

Edited Wednesday at 01:18 PM by Barquentine
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[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, John Johnston said:

People who have failed in life tend to be mired in hatred. 

Sounds like the voice of experience talking  

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...yes dear...

Well you're white and he hates you so...... I think he's asking you for a date?

[Army Guy]

21 hours ago, eyeball said:

Why don't you just kill us all? You know you wanna.

OTOH, how about MAID and sacrificing everything to hopelessness? Is political angst an allowable reason? Should it be?

OK.....i get it your off your meds....nobody wants to kill anyone, come out from under the bed your going to be all right...

[Moonlight Graham]

On 6/16/2026 at 7:19 PM, eyeball said:

Mostly because of the manner by which they eschew the more moderate less uncompromising nuanced views between them.

I said the right in the modern context you used to describe the left.

AFAIC however the Left-wing in the original French definition represented a proverbial great unwashed composed of more or less equal numbers of conservative and progressive people. IE people like you and me.

The Right-wing on the other hand represented a much smaller Ancien Regime of wealthy landowners and other influencers of the time. People not like you and me.

It's seems to be a fairly natural juxtaposition of the fundamental competing forces in most governed societies whether they're communist, capitalist or just about any other ism in the book. It's just the innies vs the outies and it's probably been this way since we climbed down from the trees.

To my way of thinking this a far more relevant social division - between those who govern and those who are governed - than something as blithe and trite as innies or outies would suggest.

In terms of simple human numbers only 6% of humans tell some 93% what to do. If and when push comes to shove the only real question for the vast majority of outies is who's side you're on.

That leaves the 1% - a Nouveau  Regime today that like the split and the side just like any other Ancien Regime was accustomed to.

Along with its influence and command over the innies the 1% has also gotten pretty good at influencing the outies but it was easy with a planet for the taking.

Now the waterhole is shrinking, and the animals are getting meaner.

I'm fascinated how the Flamingo Revolution in Albania is morphing and coalescing around a more encompassing sense that governments exist to favour the rich and powerful and it needs to stop.

This sense needs to spread. Wide and far.

Interesting side discussion.

In the US we've seen both their parties split into 2 factions  the old elitist establishment types and the populists. 

Unfortunately the Liberals aren't populists, they're the elite establishment.  And Pierre is a fake populist selling snake oil as usual.

[Michael Hardner]

11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Unfortunately the Liberals aren't populists, they're the elite establishment.  

I thought you said there are populists on both sides ?  What's your take on what the Democrat populists look like ?

History note: Democrats owned populism 1932-1968 with a few exceptions who failed to win elections/relection ... one because he was an egg-head and the other because he was deceased.

[I am Groot]

On 6/16/2026 at 5:17 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

On social changes the right often tends to at least to want to tap the brakes, for better or worse. 

Environmentally it's the reverse.  The left warns people of environmental harm while the right tends to steamroll ahead completely ignorant.

I would say the Left has also steamrolled ahead on the environment without a single second thought about the economics or science involved. Everything they've said about climate change and how to address it seems to now be so much bullshit.

[eyeball]

Just now, I am Groot said:

I would say the Left has also steamrolled ahead on the environment without a single second thought about the economics or science involved.

Have you ever heard the term natural capital?

I suspect social capital must sound even more bizarre.

[I am Groot]

On 6/16/2026 at 7:29 PM, herbie said:

Then have the balls to come out and admit you're a bigot.

I look at and judge everyone equally. You're the one who wants special rules about brown people. 

If i was gay or a woman, would you call me a bigot for disliking, distrusting, and not wanting anything to do with Islam and those who worship under its rules? After all, under Islam, I must be killed. If I were a woman, Islam says I'm someone's property to do with as the man decides. I can be beaten whenever the man wants to, and I have very few rights, including the right to any children I have. Ah, but I don't have to join! But as per Islam, infidels can be beaten, tortured, raped, robbed and murdered if a Muslim so wishes. Allah blesses this.

I'm neither gay nor a woman, but I do own property, and I really don't want my country filling up with people who are taught they can kill me if they want to. 

On 6/16/2026 at 7:29 PM, herbie said:

Your own religion is full of stoning for adultery, pro-slavery, divine retributions you know are wrong, over the top and not in societies best interest and you don't live by them.

My religion, not that I pay it much mind, has NONE of those things. Christianity and Judiasm have gone through several reformation periods over the centuries, and no longer believe in violence or revenge. Islam has not. All of their barbaric, backward rules and laws are still official centrist interpretations. Gays must be killed. Infidels are fair game. Women are at best third class citizens, and democracy is not a proper type of government. 

On 6/16/2026 at 7:29 PM, herbie said:

Give them the credit they know better to and cease with the bullshit they suffer no consequences if they don't,

I would if there was any evidence of that. Did you see the UK government commission into the rape gangs just reported this week? A quarter of a million mostly white girls as young as twelve were raped, beaten, and tortured by Muslim rape gangs over the years. Not by individuals, but by large groups of acquaintances and family members. It was so prevalent that everyone in the Pakistani community knew about it. No one ever reported it because no one thought there was anything wrong with it, including their wives, sisters, and mothers. Why? In almost every trial, the men said the same thing. they were infidels, and so they were allowed. Their wives and families said the same. The girls who reported it were harassed, screamed at and threatened by these men's families. Otherwise respected men and clerics said this was just fine under Islam. 

But that was unique! Involving hundreds of Muslim men! Not so much. New arrests every week now. 

And throughout the Muslim world and its 50 countries, none have equal rights between men and women and none have equal rights between Muslims and unbelievers. Wherever Islam rules, there is deep and terrible violence. Whether it's Iran ordering women who protested about having to wear the hijab be raped before their execution so they don't go to heaven, or Syria slaughtering Kurds or Nigerian Muslims slaughtering Christians, or other Muslims in North Africa taking hundreds of thousands of Christians as slaves or Afghanistan deciding women shouldn't be allowed to talk outside for fks sake or Palestinians raping, torturing and murdering women and children with glee and bragging about it to their joyful parents.

And I'm supposed to want those people HERE? Are you f0cking retarded?!

[Legato]

9 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I look at and judge everyone equally. You're the one who wants special rules about brown people. 

If i was gay or a woman, would you call me a bigot for disliking, distrusting, and not wanting anything to do with Islam and those who worship under its rules? After all, under Islam, I must be killed. If I were a woman, Islam says I'm someone's property to do with as the man decides. I can be beaten whenever the man wants to, and I have very few rights, including the right to any children I have. Ah, but I don't have to join! But as per Islam, infidels can be beaten, tortured, raped, robbed and murdered if a Muslim so wishes. Allah blesses this.

I'm neither gay nor a woman, but I do own property, and I really don't want my country filling up with people who are taught they can kill me if they want to. 

My religion, not that I pay it much mind, has NONE of those things. Christianity and Judiasm have gone through several reformation periods over the centuries, and no longer believe in violence or revenge. Islam has not. All of their barbaric, backward rules and laws are still official centrist interpretations. Gays must be killed. Infidels are fair game. Women are at best third class citizens, and democracy is not a proper type of government. 

I would if there was any evidence of that. Did you see the UK government commission into the rape gangs just reported this week? A quarter of a million mostly white girls as young as twelve were raped, beaten, and tortured by Muslim rape gangs over the years. Not by individuals, but by large groups of acquaintances and family members. It was so prevalent that everyone in the Pakistani community knew about it. No one ever reported it because no one thought there was anything wrong with it, including their wives, sisters, and mothers. Why? In almost every trial, the men said the same thing. they were infidels, and so they were allowed. Their wives and families said the same. The girls who reported it were harassed, screamed at and threatened by these men's families. Otherwise respected men and clerics said this was just fine under Islam. 

But that was unique! Involving hundreds of Muslim men! Not so much. New arrests every week now. 

And throughout the Muslim world and its 50 countries, none have equal rights between men and women and none have equal rights between Muslims and unbelievers. Wherever Islam rules, there is deep and terrible violence. Whether it's Iran ordering women who protested about having to wear the hijab be raped before their execution so they don't go to heaven, or Syria slaughtering Kurds or Nigerian Muslims slaughtering Christians, or other Muslims in North Africa taking hundreds of thousands of Christians as slaves or Afghanistan deciding women shouldn't be allowed to talk outside for fks sake or Palestinians raping, torturing and murdering women and children with glee and bragging about it to their joyful parents.

And I'm supposed to want those people HERE? Are you f0cking retarded?!

 

[eyeball]

What's ridiculous is the notion everyone else gets along without any problems.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

What's ridiculous is the notion everyone else gets along without any problems.

If you believe that then you must also believe that logically the more people have in common the more likely they are to get along. Which means you support the idea that diversity is not our strength

[eyeball]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

If you believe that then you must also believe that logically the more people have in common the more likely they are to get along. Which means you support the idea that diversity is not our strength

Nope. A bunch of you will still be right wing enough to fùck everything up.

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nope. A bunch of you will still be right wing enough to fùck everything up.

The right wing lets everybody go about their own business without conflict as long as they're not directly affected. It is you liberals who have to f everything up and be professionally offended on someone else's behalf 24/7  

[Legato]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

What's ridiculous is the notion everyone else gets along without any problems.

Nothing ridiculous about most people getting along with Gays, Jews, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Women, Non-Muslims, Atheists, Apostates, Beer, Wine, Bacon and Dogs without any problems.

Do you?

[eyeball]

57 minutes ago, Legato said:

Nothing ridiculous about most people getting along with Gays, Jews, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Women, Non-Muslims, Atheists, Apostates, Beer, Wine, Bacon and Dogs without any problems.

Do you?

I just don't get along with you people. Your colour, religion, diet and choice of pets has nothing to do with it.