ironstone Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said: How much does Alberta pay to Ottawa from its provincial coffers? The answer is zero. Federal tax payers, wherever they live, pay for equalization through federal taxes. When did conservatives stop being able to do math or understand basic financial concepts? Through federal taxes yes. Alberta, British Columbia, and Saskatchewan are typically the provinces that contribute the most to the Equalization program. These provinces have higher fiscal capacities, which allows them to generate more revenue compared to others. At the end of the day, people in these provinces carry most of the load for equalization. It's a messed up system in that a province like Quebec, which should be a net contributor, is always the biggest recipient. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
TreeBeard Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 16 minutes ago, ironstone said: Alberta, British Columbia, and Saskatchewan are typically the provinces that contribute the most to the Equalization program. It’s the people in the province, not even necessarily living in the province. And it’s not “the province” that is contributing. Someone making $100k in Alberta contributes the same to equalization as someone who makes $100k in Newfoundland. 18 minutes ago, ironstone said: At the end of the day, people in these provinces carry most of the load for equalization. No. Every individual taxpayer carries the same load if they make the same amount, regardless of where they live. How do you not understand that? 1 Quote
ironstone Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 9 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: It’s the people in the province, not even necessarily living in the province. And it’s not “the province” that is contributing. Someone making $100k in Alberta contributes the same to equalization as someone who makes $100k in Newfoundland. No. Every individual taxpayer carries the same load if they make the same amount, regardless of where they live. How do you not understand that? Key Factors Behind Higher Contributions Natural Resource Wealth: Alberta has abundant oil and gas reserves, which contribute significantly to its GDP. This wealth translates into higher provincial revenues compared to other provinces. Economic Performance: Alberta's economy is among the strongest in Canada, boasting high income levels and employment rates. This economic success leads to increased tax revenues, making it a net contributor to the equalization payments. Taxation Structure: Alberta has relatively lower tax rates for individuals and corporations compared to other provinces. While this attracts businesses and residents, it also means a higher contribution to federal revenues. Population Size: With a relatively smaller population, Alberta's per capita contributions can appear larger. Even though it is a net contributor federally, this smaller population means higher contributions per person. GPT-4o mini Comparison of Equalization Contributions Between Alberta and Quebec If tax rates are equal, a person in Alberta generally ends up paying more in equalization contributions than a person in Quebec. This disparity arises from several factors tied to economic performance and fiscal capacity. Someone earing $100k in Alberta and someone in Quebec earning $100k, the person in Quebec benefits more because much of that money flows one way, into Quebec. 1 Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Legato Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Cities have a lot of traffic. I think. New York city put a hefty toll on cars coming on to Manhattan Island. It's not a sign of decline, as much as a sign of growth. Paying taxes and working is capitulation? Would you be proud if I went on welfare? You didn't ask for my help, that I offered it because I'm a nice guy. You're welcome but you're not welcome. Yes. Goalposts. I know about Green Pea there was an an upper area temporarily blocked off and full. Your "help" was nothing more than a snide comment. I found a private car park fixed price $30. So like I said Toronto is a shithole. Growth is not always a good thing. Another snide comment. 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 4 minutes ago, Legato said: 1. Your "help" was nothing more than a snide comment. I found a private car park fixed price $30. 2. So like I said Toronto is a shithole. 3. Growth is not always a good thing. 4. Another snide comment. 1. No. Sincere help for another wayward hayseed. 🙂. Why would you think that I would know that the upper level is closed? 2. I didn't deny that. 3. Ok. 4. YOU said thanks but no thanks, so... Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
TreeBeard Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 (edited) 2 hours ago, ironstone said: Someone earing $100k in Alberta and someone in Quebec earning $100k, the person in Quebec benefits more because much of that money flows one way, into Quebec. So the two do pay the same into equalization. What are they getting in Quebec that they aren’t in Alberta? Edited February 17 by TreeBeard 1 Quote
Legato Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. No. Sincere help for another wayward hayseed. 🙂. Why would you think that I would know that the upper level is closed? 2. I didn't deny that. 3. Ok. 4. YOU said thanks but no thanks, so... "1. Pro tip there is a green P just across the street, South side of Queen Street. Do that. Next time. You are welcome." Your original comment. Gratuitous at best. Implying that you know more than the rest of us. My advice, get out as soon as possible. You do know that as you are a conservative that place is a Liberal wasteland and not good for ones health. 1 Quote
August1991 Posted February 20 Author Report Posted February 20 On 2/15/2026 at 10:39 AM, ExFlyer said: Treebeard is right... "The Greater Toronto Area (GTA) is Canada's economic engine, with a GDP estimated around CA$522 billion (2022) to over $430 billion for the city proper (2020), representing approximately 20% of Canada's total GDP" Disagree. Toronto is not Canada's engine. ===== Toronto is a city on a lake. Like Chicago/Detroit once were. 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 On 2/16/2026 at 10:28 PM, Legato said: 1. Your original comment. Gratuitous at best. Implying that you know more than the rest of us. 2. You do know that as you are a conservative that place is a Liberal wasteland and not good for ones health. 1. I don't know more than the rest of you. Otherwise why would I be here, discussing and learning? I do seem to know a bit more about parking on Queen Street. 2. Perhaps this is good advice. Thank you. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 On 2/16/2026 at 10:20 PM, TreeBeard said: What are they getting in Quebec that they aren’t in Alberta? They're getting taxed more, and keeping less of their income. Via Google Gemini Alberta has significantly lower taxes than Quebec, featuring a progressive income tax system (ranging from 8% to 15% for 2026), no provincial sales tax (only 5% federal GST), and the lowest corporate taxes in Canada. Conversely, Quebec has among the highest taxes in Canada, with income rates from 14% to 25.75% and higher combined sales taxes. 2 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
ExFlyer Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 10 hours ago, August1991 said: Disagree. Toronto is not Canada's engine. ===== Toronto is a city on a lake. Like Chicago/Detroit once were. Yeah, I just made up those numbers and put them out there. The question was between Alberta and Toronto and, like it or not, Toronto has a bigger GDP than all of Alberta. Oh and... Chicago is no longer city on a lake??? And FYI, Detroit was never a city on a lake:) 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. I don't know more than the rest of you. Otherwise why would I be here, discussing and learning? I do seem to know a bit more about parking on Queen Street. 2. Perhaps this is good advice. Thank you. None of us know everything and yes discussion is a form of learning. Green Pea parking is expensive anywhere and I do object to paying their exorbitant rates. Just getting to St. Mikes is a nightmare I have to use the DVP, say no more. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 2 hours ago, Legato said: 1.Green Pea parking is expensive anywhere and I do object to paying their exorbitant rates. 2. Just getting to St. Mikes is a nightmare I have to use the DVP, say no more. 1. 😲 I believe city parking is cheaper, that's why they have it. To help facilitate the public... Driving to shopping areas and so on. 2. Brother 😔 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Moonbox Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: They're getting taxed more, and keeping less of their income. Via Google Gemini Alberta has significantly lower taxes than Quebec, featuring a progressive income tax system (ranging from 8% to 15% for 2026), no provincial sales tax (only 5% federal GST), and the lowest corporate taxes in Canada. Conversely, Quebec has among the highest taxes in Canada, with income rates from 14% to 25.75% and higher combined sales taxes. I just moved to Alberta this week. The lower taxes are NICE, and the housing prices compared to back home are around 1/2 to 1/3. I love Jesus and stuff now too. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Michael Hardner Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: I just moved to Alberta this week. The lower taxes are NICE, and the housing prices compared to back home are around 1/2 to 1/3. I love Jesus and stuff now too. Do you hate Toronto yet? I met a kid. Must have been 14... He pumped gas for us. He was from Toronto... Living way out of a small town in Alberta. He didn't hate Toronto yet. But I knew one day he would Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Moonbox Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Do you hate Toronto yet? I met a kid. Must have been 14... He pumped gas for us. He was from Toronto... Living way out of a small town in Alberta. He didn't hate Toronto yet. But I knew one day he would I've always been a small-dose kind of guy when it came to Toronto. Alright to visit and go to events...miserable to have to work there or drive around. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Michael Hardner Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 4 minutes ago, Moonbox said: I've always been a small-dose kind of guy when it came to Toronto. Alright to visit and go to events...miserable to have to work there or drive around. Why would you DRIVE 😲 Why would you WORK 🤔 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Moonbox Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 Gotta earn my moneys and feed the children man. It's tough out there. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
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