blackbird Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 (edited) Premier Ford wants Canadians to boycott Chinese EVs, referring to the 3% of cars that will be sold in Canada from China. Executives of the major corporations are among the highest paid people on the planet. A Google search revealed: "In 2023, the top 100 Canadian automaker executives earned an average of $13.2 million. This figure represents a significant disparity, as these executives earned 210 times more than the average Canadian worker. " These executives earn $60,000 by coffee break on one day. Millions of Canadians are struggling to pay their rent or mortgages and put food on the table. These executives earn several hundred times as much money as the average Canadian. Yet Ford wants the 49,000 Canadians who might consider buying a Chinese EV to forget it and instead fork over tens of thousands of dollars more for a vehicle made in Canada even though the number of China made EVs represents only 3% of the cars manufactured in Canada and it saves a vast number of jobs in the canola and other industries. Why doesn't Ford ask these executives to take a major cut in their pay and bonuses and donate that money to reduce the price of Canadian made vehicles? That would make more sense. Also, how much taxpayer money has Ford's Ontario and the federal government donated to the auto industry over the years, money that belongs to the Canadians who now cannot even afford to buy a Canadian made vehicle because of the high costs of living in Canada? Edited January 24 by blackbird Quote
eyeball Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, blackbird said: "In 2023, the top 100 Canadian automaker executives earned an average of $13.2 million. This figure represents a significant disparity, as these executives earned 210 times more than the average Canadian worker. " Why doesn't Ford ask these executives to take a major cut in their pay and bonuses and donate that money to reduce the price of Canadian made vehicles? That would make more sense. It would make a lot more sense if they used these cuts in pay and bonuses to support auto-workers. Failing that Ford should tell Carney to make sure he steals 210 times more taxes from these executives than the average Canadian worker. That would probably be easier and more direct than appealing to their charity. 2 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Army Guy Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 3 hours ago, blackbird said: Premier Ford wants Canadians to boycott Chinese EVs, referring to the 3% of cars that will be sold in Canada from China. Executives of the major corporations are among the highest paid people on the planet. A Google search revealed: "In 2023, the top 100 Canadian automaker executives earned an average of $13.2 million. This figure represents a significant disparity, as these executives earned 210 times more than the average Canadian worker. " These executives earn $60,000 by coffee break on one day. Millions of Canadians are struggling to pay their rent or mortgages and put food on the table. These executives earn several hundred times as much money as the average Canadian. Yet Ford wants the 49,000 Canadians who might consider buying a Chinese EV to forget it and instead fork over tens of thousands of dollars more for a vehicle made in Canada even though the number of China made EVs represents only 3% of the cars manufactured in Canada and it saves a vast number of jobs in the canola and other industries. Why doesn't Ford ask these executives to take a major cut in their pay and bonuses and donate that money to reduce the price of Canadian made vehicles? That would make more sense. Also, how much taxpayer money has Ford's Ontario and the federal government donated to the auto industry over the years, money that belongs to the Canadians who now cannot even afford to buy a Canadian made vehicle because of the high costs of living in Canada? So much for buy Canadian....Thanks for your support.. If we went by your logic we could do that with every product China produces....there would not be many Canadian jobs left here in any sector....How much money has Canada donated to farmers that produce Canola... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
blackbird Posted January 24 Author Report Posted January 24 13 minutes ago, Army Guy said: So much for buy Canadian....Thanks for your support.. If we went by your logic we could do that with every product China produces....there would not be many Canadian jobs left here in any sector....How much money has Canada donated to farmers that produce Canola... Be honest, you and everyone else buy when they can at the lowest price. Nobody deliberately goes out to buy something more expensive when the same thing is available for a lower price. Many Canadians do not have an unlimited supply of money and must be careful how they spend to make ends meet. That's how freedom works. Not telling somebody to spend more money to support some jobs in Canada. That is ludicrous and nobody if they're being honest, does that. Manufacturing in general is not profitable in Canada because Mexico and Asia can manufacture things at a much lower cost than in Canada. Telling people to go spend their money on more expensive things because they are made in Canada is not a believable option. That would just make everyone poorer. Most people only have a limited amount of money to spend. If some industry wants people to throw their money their way so they can have a job, that just proves their job is not profitable and they should find another occupation. It is annoying when it comes from people who are earning a huge hourly wage, big pensions, and their executives are earning 12 million or more a year with bonuses. Yet they expect people who earn half of what they earn to give their money to these highly paid union workers. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 12 hours ago, blackbird said: Be honest, you and everyone else buy when they can at the lowest price. Nobody deliberately goes out to buy something more expensive when the same thing is available for a lower price. Many Canadians do not have an unlimited supply of money and must be careful how they spend to make ends meet. That's how freedom works. Not telling somebody to spend more money to support some jobs in Canada. That is ludicrous and nobody if they're being honest, does that. Manufacturing in general is not profitable in Canada because Mexico and Asia can manufacture things at a much lower cost than in Canada. Telling people to go spend their money on more expensive things because they are made in Canada is not a believable option. That would just make everyone poorer. Most people only have a limited amount of money to spend. If some industry wants people to throw their money their way so they can have a job, that just proves their job is not profitable and they should find another occupation. It is annoying when it comes from people who are earning a huge hourly wage, big pensions, and their executives are earning 12 million or more a year with bonuses. Yet they expect people who earn half of what they earn to give their money to these highly paid union workers. To be honest the whole premise of buying Canadian was to keep our dollars here and supporting Canadian jobs and workers....What does all that mean to you....it is obvious it means something different to you... Thanks for pointing that out, lets not wonder where all the jobs went then....Freedom also dictates we do not have to support a country that has screwed us in the past, they have executed Canadians for dealing drugs, they have taken hostage Canadians to prove a point, they have introduced crippling tariffs when it suits them, they have their own police stations here in Canada, they have interfered in our elections and much more....and after all that you still want to do business with them !!!!...which is why i asked the questions if our moral values mean nothing, then why not buy Russian products and oil....if that's all we are concentrating on is the money aspect because that is FREEDOM... Our own government introduced the BUY Canadian because of US tariffs...how do we go from black listing American goods and services, along with traveling else where and then doing the opposite with China...how do you square that hole...I look around in traffic and see thousands of American and Canadian made vehicles on the road all the time, have you looked at the prices of Dodges 3/4 ton pick up trucks, well over 100 k and i see hundreds of them on the road...So someone is buying them...Canadians are not as broke as you suggest... The Federal Government has given tax dollars to support a wide variety of industries including farmers, fishers, loggers, the list is endless, in order to save some industries...but your complaining they are pumping money into the auto sector...WHY ? Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 13 hours ago, Army Guy said: So much for buy Canadian....Thanks for your support.. If we went by your logic we could do that with every product China produces....there would not be many Canadian jobs left here in any sector....How much money has Canada donated to farmers that produce Canola... We produce nothing in Canada or very very little at best. How much money has Canada donated to the auto makers that produce cars in Canada? AI response to What has Canada given to the auto sector: " In the past 10 years (2016–2026), the Canadian automotive sector has received or been pledged over $52.5 billion in combined federal and provincial support" How much money has Canada donated to battery manufacturers that have yet to produce batteries in Canada? "Between October 2020 and April 2024 alone, federal and provincial governments announced roughly $46 billion in investments across the EV supply chain, with total government support for these projects estimated to reach up to $52.5 billion" Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
blackbird Posted January 24 Author Report Posted January 24 (edited) 5 hours ago, Army Guy said: but your complaining they are pumping money into the auto sector...WHY ? Because the federal and provincial (Ontario) gives billions of dollars MORE to the auto industry than any other industries across Canada. They act as if that is the only industry that matters. WE are being screwed big time. They also committed billions of dollars to planned EV plants in Canada. Why so much money to these industries and not the rest of industries across Canada? These auto industry workers make huge incomes and their executives salaries and bonuses are up around 12 million dollars per year. That is outrageous. Yet the liberal governments and provincial governments have been delaying approvals for mines for years. They have hampered the oil industry with all their regulations and taxes and tanker ban. Obviously they are favouring the auto industry in central Canada at the expense of the rest of the country. Nobody buys only Canadian for the sake of supporting jobs in Canada. That claim is pure fiction. They buy because of the price or necessity. As far as trade with China, we have been trading with China for decades. They are our second largest trading partner even though it is only a few percent of our international trade. Almost all of our trade has been with the U.S. but the U.S. is turning its back on us under Trump. We have no choice. We must trade with China and other countries in Asia and the rest of the world in order to survive and protect our living standards. We cannot survive under the U.S. attacks on Canada. So Canada must diversity and we cannot depend on the U.S. anymore. Premier Ford is out to lunch and doesn't understand how trade and the country works. Edited January 24 by blackbird 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 2 hours ago, blackbird said: Because the federal and provincial (Ontario) gives billions of dollars MORE to the auto industry than any other industries across Canada. They act as if that is the only industry that matters. WE are being screwed big time. The also committed billions of dollars to planned EV plants in Canada. Why so much money to these industries and not the rest of industries across Canada? These auto industry workers make huge incomes and their executives salaries and bonuses are up around 12 million dollars per year. That is outrageous. Yet the liberal governments and provincial governments have been delaying approvals for mines for years. They have hampered the oil industry with all their regulations and taxes and tanker ban. Obviously they are favouring the auto industry in central Canada at the expense of the rest of the country. Nobody buys only Canadian for the sake of supporting jobs in Canada. That claim is pure fiction. They buy because of the price or necessity. As far as trade with China, we have been trading with China for decades. They are our second largest trading partner even though it is only a few percent of our international trade. Almost all of our trade has been with the U.S. but the U.S. is turning its back on us under Trump. We have no choice. We must trade with China and other countries in Asia and the rest of the world in order to survive and protect our living standards. We cannot survive under the U.S. attacks on Canada. So Canada must diversity and we cannot depend on the U.S. anymore. Premier Ford is out to lunch and doesn't understand how trade and the country works. Well i guess we will have to find a new topic to discuss....Trump just threaten Canada with 100 % tariffs on all Canadian products if the deal with China goes through...Is it going to be elbows up.....or will Carney be a yes sir ....i'm putting my money on the yes sir approach....Because Carney can't handle trump as he promised.....it was all lies... In this context do we really want cheap Chinese EV's or find another buyer for our Canola, and seafood. I mean since we are only considering the dollar value here because that is what freedom is right....the ability to buy cheap Sh!t Your augment of they make good wages....yes they do they also pay good taxes on those wages...Have you seen how much lobster/ crab fishers make in a season... Instead of arguing over which industry we should be sacrificing because of Cheap EV's, we should be talking about is China the client we want to sell our products to....we should be finding new buyers now today, and reducing our trade with China, and diversifying our markets to reduce the effect on tariffs for any one nation... As for buy Canadian....Ask US manufactures of hard liquor if the feel the pain from Canadians not buying us products, or traveling to the US...Why did all our food stores start labeling the origins of products if people are not buying Canadian....It is my personal opinion that all Canadians should be supporting the buy Canadian thing mean if we can't even do that, then stop complaining about everything....like jobs, unemployment, lack of any real industry ... https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-tariff-canada-china-goods-9.7059561 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
herbie Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 So CDN Teslas will once again come from China and another will be Volvos made in China that start at only $77,500. Is Dougie suggesting we should boycott Tesla and Volvo to save our workers? Did he forget about VinFast from VietNam that came and went already and took a whole dozen or so car sales away from GM, Ford and Stellantis? Were they an existential threat? No one noticed all the Hyundais, Kias, Mitsubishi Outlanders on the street outside that aren't built here either? Should we tariff them an extra 100% if The Donald decides he doesn't like them some day? US 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs didn't stop Chevy from shutting down Bolt production and cutting 900 American jobs. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 On 1/25/2026 at 5:04 PM, herbie said: So CDN Teslas will once again come from China and another will be Volvos made in China that start at only $77,500. Is Dougie suggesting we should boycott Tesla and Volvo to save our workers? Did he forget about VinFast from VietNam that came and went already and took a whole dozen or so car sales away from GM, Ford and Stellantis? Were they an existential threat? No one noticed all the Hyundais, Kias, Mitsubishi Outlanders on the street outside that aren't built here either? Should we tariff them an extra 100% if The Donald decides he doesn't like them some day? US 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs didn't stop Chevy from shutting down Bolt production and cutting 900 American jobs. Ahh yes...lets save the Canadian (Ontario) auto sector. Boycott everything LOL So, doing that will save Ontario jobs NOT!!! GM just slows down more plants in Oshawa laying off 1200 people. https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/gm-cuts-oshawa-shift-1-161755199.html https://www.cp24.com/local/toronto/2026/01/29/1000-people-will-lose-their-jobs-as-gm-cuts-third-shift-at-oshawa-plant-unifor/ Yup, lets boycott to save auto sector jobs.... and this is what you get. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
herbie Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 worrying about China stealing Cdn auto jobs while the USA has been and IS openly and actively been doing exactly that. Australia saw all it's car builders walk away, and they actually had one (Holden) of their own. They can and do buy Chinese and even Japanese Kei cars, their main complaint is that even those are gouging them on price markups. Aw gee we might have to pay $20K for a $10K car that 'competes' with the $60K cars we have now.... 1 Quote
TreeBeard Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 On 1/23/2026 at 7:42 PM, Army Guy said: So much for buy Canadian Which Canadian made EV would you suggest? 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 (edited) 6 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Which Canadian made EV would you suggest? Pick on there are dozens to pick from...I personally would not suggest any EV unless you drive in the Bigger cities...But Canada produces a lot more than just EV cars... Edited January 30 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 6 hours ago, herbie said: worrying about China stealing Cdn auto jobs while the USA has been and IS openly and actively been doing exactly that. Australia saw all it's car builders walk away, and they actually had one (Holden) of their own. They can and do buy Chinese and even Japanese Kei cars, their main complaint is that even those are gouging them on price markups. Aw gee we might have to pay $20K for a $10K car that 'competes' with the $60K cars we have now.... So i guess we just shrug our shoulders and say screw it the auto industry is lost.....SO lets hasten the process....WE should not be doing any business with China...You liberals whined and moaned the last time the attacked us with tariffs and hostages...promising we should diversify our trade away from them....today we forgot all about that, because it is convenient maybe we should ask the Michaels...or is it all about cheap Sh!t....because China got a lot of cheap stuff... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 15 hours ago, Army Guy said: So i guess we just shrug our shoulders and say screw it the auto industry is lost... The nearest car factory is some 3000 miles from where I live, what exactly is it you want me to do? I voted NDP if that helps. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
herbie Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 17 hours ago, Army Guy said: So i guess we just shrug our shoulders and say screw it the auto industry is lost.... Well you guess wrong even though it may come to that if MAGA prevails. Trying to blame China for being returned to the same tariff rates as everyone else if that happens is ridiculous. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 3 hours ago, eyeball said: The nearest car factory is some 3000 miles from where I live, what exactly is it you want me to do? I voted NDP if that helps. Do you own an EV...if you don't then what is the problem.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 43 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Do you own an EV...if you don't then what is the problem.... No, I own a Honda CR-V made in Ontario. I mean I get it that it sucks to be a GM worker who just got laid off, but it's entirely Trump's fault. As for China...I've been saying our truck and trade with China should be tied more closely to human rights for decades. I don't see that getting much traction though. Is that my problem too? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 (edited) On 1/24/2026 at 9:47 AM, ExFlyer said: We produce nothing in Canada or very very little at best. How much money has Canada donated to the auto makers that produce cars in Canada? AI response to What has Canada given to the auto sector: " In the past 10 years (2016–2026), the Canadian automotive sector has received or been pledged over $52.5 billion in combined federal and provincial support" How much money has Canada donated to battery manufacturers that have yet to produce batteries in Canada? "Between October 2020 and April 2024 alone, federal and provincial governments announced roughly $46 billion in investments across the EV supply chain, with total government support for these projects estimated to reach up to $52.5 billion" We produced a fair bit but you can bet it's going to die out now Also didn't you say that ford was absolutely fine with the whole idea right now and thinks it's a great thing? You were just insisting that in the other thread! Oh dear, turns out I was right again doesn't it Edited January 31 by CdnFox 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 On 1/29/2026 at 10:44 PM, Army Guy said: Pick on there are dozens to pick from...I personally would not suggest any EV unless you drive in the Bigger cities...But Canada produces a lot more than just EV cars... Please name the dozens of Canadian made EV's Not PHEV but EV's Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 5 hours ago, CdnFox said: We produced a fair bit but you can bet it's going to die out now Also didn't you say that ford was absolutely fine with the whole idea right now and thinks it's a great thing? You were just insisting that in the other thread! Oh dear, turns out I was right again doesn't it Years ago we did but we have been a gross imported for decades. Yup, that is what Ford said...your point?? I never said anything other wise. Ford ranted and raged when the China EV deal was made but has since recanted....that is what I said. Nope...you are never right LOL LOL LOL Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Please name the dozens of Canadian made EV's Not PHEV but EV's I've already done that for you. Once again you prove you're a liar and dishonest 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Years ago we did but we have been a gross imported for decades. If by years ago you mean 2025, sure. And you remember all those deals that your liberal masters did to bring battery plants here? ooopsie! That's money wasted And it's going to impact ICE manufacturing as well. 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Yup, that is what Ford said...your point?? I never said anything other wise. You DID say something otherwise. You said the exact opposite. I was the one who said ford isn't happy with this and is putting on a brave face for Carney, YOU said "even ford recognizes it's a great idea". No he doesn't and you were wrong yet again 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: I've already done that for you. Once again you prove you're a liar and dishonest Nope...never done and you cannot because there are no pure EV's made in canada So, as usual...the pedophile LOSER ...loses and is once again the liar and dishonest LOL LOL LOL Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 52 minutes ago, CdnFox said: If by years ago you mean 2025, sure. And you remember all those deals that your liberal masters did to bring battery plants here? ooopsie! That's money wasted And it's going to impact ICE manufacturing as well. You DID say something otherwise. You said the exact opposite. I was the one who said ford isn't happy with this and is putting on a brave face for Carney, YOU said "even ford recognizes it's a great idea". No he doesn't and you were wrong yet again Nope...we are still a gross importer. Over 68% of our food is imported. Oh...you mean the battery plants that you say are manufacturing??? LOL What a LOSER LOL LOL LOL ICE manufacturing???? Oh yeah?? What was it??? LOSER, you makin up shit again as a lying LOSER like you always does HA HA HA The hole you dig with all your lying is getting deeper and deeper ...pedophile LOSER Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
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