User Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 22 minutes ago, blackbird said: Clever way to avoid answering the questions. What you keep saying is irrelevant. I simply did a search and posted a short article answering the question about health care in China. I didn't research what Forbes is and if you disagreed with the post, you are free to post any rebuttal you wish. But you don't refute things on a rational basis. You prefer to throw BS accusations of dishonesty all the time. This is why it is necessary to put you on IGNORE. You are not a serious poster on this forum. If you expect others to take you seriously, you have to change your approach and respect people that you disagree with and stop accusing them of dishonesty. That is not how to have a rational discussion with anyone. It is a total waste of time. I get the feeling that you believe in Trump's insulting approach to the world is the way to act. It is certainly NOT. It is not Christian or Biblical at all. He spent the past year insulting the sovereignty of Greenland and making life miserable for the citizens of Greenland. They don't deserve that kind of treatment. Maybe you think you are superior to everyone else just as Trump seems to believe. That doesn't work on a political forum like this. You put me in ignore because you are too big of a coward to admit you were being dishonest. You don't like getting called out. This is about your behavior. There is no rational discussion to be had when you post a quote with no link and attribute it to Forbes wrongly then try to dishonestly pass that off. Quote
User Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 5 hours ago, blackbird said: What about Chinese EVs? Are they any good? No idea. I have done zero research on them. The point about opposing them is not about their quality, but about how China is backing the industry with the state which drives down the costs of them. This unfairly distorts the marketplace if they are simply allowed to be sold in other countries that also have EV manufacturers, because they can't fairly compete. Quote
Goddess Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 5 hours ago, blackbird said: What about Chinese EVs? Are they any good? Sure. If you like driving a firebomb spy machine. Electric Cars in Israel Reportedly Sending Data Secretly to China Biden Administration Finalizes Rules Effectively Banning Chinese Cars in the U.S. | Edmunds UK bans EVs from some military bases over Chinese spy fears Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 12 minutes ago, User said: The point about opposing them is not about their quality, but about how China is backing the industry with the state which drives down the costs of them. True. This is what happened in Africa and Brazil when they "diversified" to accommodate Chinese industry: As Africa deepens ties with China, a shadow economy of scams, crime and exploitation is rising | Business Insider Africa Do Chinese firms employ convicts from China in Africa? Chinese nationals jailed in South Africa over kidnapping and forced labour of Malawians The violent side of Chinese colonialism in Africa - by Alessandra Colarizi, China Files [article] BYD Brazil scandal exposes flaws in Chinese investment Chinese steel concerns: Brazilian importers warn of alleged fakes I'm sure they won't do it to us though, right? Right?? Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
blackbird Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 9 minutes ago, Goddess said: Sure. If you like driving a firebomb spy machine. Electric Cars in Israel Reportedly Sending Data Secretly to China Biden Administration Finalizes Rules Effectively Banning Chinese Cars in the U.S. | Edmunds UK bans EVs from some military bases over Chinese spy fears I'm sure they can be screened to prevent that. China has a million ways of spying. They don't need EVs to spy. What exactly is so useful about an EV spyimg? Probably more fictional claims. Ford and the auto industry might make that claim too. Quote
blackbird Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 26 minutes ago, User said: No idea. I have done zero research on them. The point about opposing them is not about their quality, but about how China is backing the industry with the state which drives down the costs of them. This unfairly distorts the marketplace if they are simply allowed to be sold in other countries that also have EV manufacturers, because they can't fairly compete. Canadians buy millions of things made in China already that they could not otherwise afford. Why does everyone have to pay a fortune for an EV made here? Many people can't afford cars made here. They can barely afford rent and food. Quote
Goddess Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, blackbird said: China has a million ways of spying. Yes. And one way is with their EV's. 4 minutes ago, blackbird said: What exactly is so useful about an EV spyimg? Listening in on phone calls when people connect their phone to the Bluetooth in their cars. Think local, provincial, federal gov'ts. They could map the entire country, including little known logging and grid roads. See what's happening on big city streets. 7 minutes ago, blackbird said: Probably more fictional claims. Probably. Enjoy driving your new Chinese spy machine and helping the CCP. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
blackbird Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Goddess said: Yes. And one way is with their EV's. Listening in on phone calls when people connect their phone to the Bluetooth in their cars. Think local, provincial, federal gov'ts. They could map the entire country, including little known logging and grid roads. See what's happening on big city streets. Probably. Enjoy driving your new Chinese spy machine and helping the CCP. That may be paranoia. You don't realize there are a million other ways of spying much better. They have ways much more useful to influence politics than EVs. Why would they care about roads? Maps are available to anyone. I don't see why they care about city streets. That's nothing to China. Spying in EVs is a nothing burger. Edited January 22 by blackbird Quote
Goddess Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 1 minute ago, blackbird said: That may be paranoia. Well, I guess the UK, Brazil, Israel, the US......we're all just paranoid about nothing. When campaigning for election, Carney called China our biggest national security threat. Now they are suddenly our best friends. What changed in less than a year? But, I'm sure you know better than the leaders of any of those countries. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
User Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 46 minutes ago, blackbird said: Canadians buy millions of things made in China already that they could not otherwise afford. Why does everyone have to pay a fortune for an EV made here? Many people can't afford cars made here. They can barely afford rent and food. Again, China purposefully subsidizes their EV market which artificially makes them cheaper… That isn’t a fair marketplace. Why do you want to destroy your own industry with an unfair marketplace? Quote
blackbird Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 (edited) 2 hours ago, Goddess said: Well, I guess the UK, Brazil, Israel, the US......we're all just paranoid about nothing. When campaigning for election, Carney called China our biggest national security threat. Now they are suddenly our best friends. What changed in less than a year? But, I'm sure you know better than the leaders of any of those countries. You need to do some studying instead of just making up off-the-cuff claims without any idea about it. You obviously don't understand where the real problems are from China. I suggest you read some books on the subject. The problems are widespread but they are not in the EVs or the items you buy in the dollar store. National security is something but it is not in EVs. I would suggest you get the book "Claws of the Panda" - Beijing's Campaign of Influence and Intimidation of Canada by Jonathan Manthorpe. That's where the real threats are, influence and intimidation. Material goods like EVs and other things don't represent a threat. The people who claim they do simply don't understand what the real threats are. It takes some study of the right books. Canada is a very weak country because of all the freedoms we have. China has an advantage in that they are very powerful and the CCP has absolute power and control. Our system does not operate like that which in a way is a huge weakness. It's also probably why our public health care system is a failure. Our system lacks the ability to control the health care system from the top down. It is kind of a free-for-all in Canada. I may read this book again if I have time to refresh my mind on the real threats from China. Edited January 22 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 2 hours ago, Goddess said: But, I'm sure you know better than the leaders of any of those countries. I don't know what they know. That's not the point. The point is the problems are described in the book "Claws of the Panda", not in EVs. "Claws of the Panda by veteran foreign correspondent Jonathan Manthorpe establishes the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) sophisticated espionage efforts in infiltrating Canada’s political, commercial, media, and academic sectors, as well as the utility of China’s diaspora in doing so (6; 167). To begin, a historical context of Sino-Canadian relations is established by discussing the impact of Canadian missionary efforts in China, arguing missionary kin as crucial in establishing diplomacy between the CCP and Canada. From there, Manthorpe shifts towards thorough case study analysis regarding infiltration allegations of CCP influence into Canada’s economic, information and academic sectors. Manthorpe then analyses examples of CCP transnational espionage and money laundering tactics masquerading as cultural and economic exchanges, which he argues occur via the exploitation of Canada’s immigration and foreign investment legislation. The book concludes by emphasizing the negligence of Canada’s provincial and federal political class in acknowledging subversion, and points to incompatible ideologies that he argues make mutually beneficial unattainable (223). Sino-Canadian diplomacy unattainable." Book Review – Claws of the Panda Quote
Goddess Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 26 minutes ago, blackbird said: You need to do some studying instead of just making up off-the-cuff claims without any idea about it. I didn't "make up" all those news links. Apparently Norway also had issues with Chinese spyware in their buses. Norway uncovers kill switch in Chinese buses: Norway uncovers kill switch in Chinese buses that can be shut down remotely - Denmark scrambling for solutions - The Economic Times Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
blackbird Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 31 minutes ago, Goddess said: I didn't "make up" all those news links. Apparently Norway also had issues with Chinese spyware in their buses. Norway uncovers kill switch in Chinese buses: Norway uncovers kill switch in Chinese buses that can be shut down remotely - Denmark scrambling for solutions - The Economic Times I don't know if that is factual or just BS being spread. There are lots of companies that oppose the low cost vehicles from China and there could be lots of false information being spewed out there. They can inspect the buses from China and remove anything like that. I doubt such a thing even exists. What would be the point? Quote
Goddess Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 30 minutes ago, blackbird said: I don't know if that is factual or just BS being spread. There are lots of companies that oppose the low cost vehicles from China and there could be lots of false information being spewed out there. They can inspect the buses from China and remove anything like that. I doubt such a thing even exists. What would be the point? 🙄 You and @Queenmandy85 "China is our friend!" Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
blackbird Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, Goddess said: 🙄 You and @Queenmandy85 "China is our friend!" If Canada wants to trade with other countries and sell our natural resources, it has to get along to a certain degree and be respectful. China is a major trading partner. That doesn't mean we agree with everything they do. Quote
Goddess Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 7 minutes ago, blackbird said: China is a major trading partner. It's 2.9%. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
blackbird Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 31 minutes ago, Goddess said: It's 2.9%. Still our 2nd largest trading partner. We sell a lot canola to them. Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 (edited) 20 hours ago, Goddess said: 🙄 You and @Queenmandy85 "China is our friend!" Nations do not have friends. They have allies, partners and enemies. The only time Canadian forces have battled China was in Korea, as part of the United Nations. China is not our friend, but neither are they our enemy. Edited January 23 by Queenmandy85 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Goddess Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: Nations do not have friends. They have allies, partners and enemies. The only time Canadian forces have battled China was in Korea, as part of the United Nations. China is not our friend, but neither are they our enemy. Well, you've made some progress. At least you finally recognize China is not our friend. Which is what you clearly stated to me on another thread. You are still wrong that they are not our enemy, though. Friends don't interfere in our elections, steal our intellectual property, harass and threaten our citizens, jail and execute our citizens or flood our streets with fentanyl. Enemies do. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Queenmandy85 Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, Goddess said: Friends don't interfere in our elections, You mean like the 1963 election where the CIA engineered the defeat of the Conservative government? Has China ever tried to invade Canada? The US has 3 times and threatend to do so again in 1919, 1965 and 2025- 2026. The US has inprisoned and even exeputed Canadians. There are currently 4 Canadians on death row in the US. Canadians import fentanyl from many counties and we even have our own domestic producers. "At least you finally recognize China is not our friend. Which is what you clearly stated to me on another thread." At least I am consistently inconsistent. 😉 I have no illusions about China. I have fairly extensive professional experience in the matter. But the point is, we are in the early stages of an economic war with the US, not China. The American administration is going to inflict a lot of pain on Canadians and it is imperative we do everything we can to mitigate the damage. When you are under attack, you ally yourself with people who can help. Remember that in the Second World War, while we were killing Nazis, the Americans and the Russians sat back and watched until each of them were attacked. At which point, the Americans and the Soviets joined the war. While we eventually may have defeated Nazi Germany, the contribution of America and Russian made Victory come way sooner. In 1944, Stalin was our ally. Today, it could be Xi. "Any port in a storm." Edited January 23 by Queenmandy85 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Goddess Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: "Any port in a storm." "Out of the frying pan, into the fire." Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Queenmandy85 Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Goddess said: "Out of the frying pan, into the fire." 👍 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 14 hours ago, Goddess said: Well, you've made some progress. At least you finally recognize China is not our friend. Which is what you clearly stated to me on another thread. You are still wrong that they are not our enemy, though. Friends don't interfere in our elections, steal our intellectual property, harass and threaten our citizens, jail and execute our citizens or flood our streets with fentanyl. Enemies do. So where is Trump’s America on this spectrum? Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
WestCanMan Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 On 1/22/2026 at 9:31 AM, Goddess said: When campaigning for election, Carney called China our biggest national security threat. Now they are suddenly our best friends. What changed in less than a year? Brookfield must have got some contracts there. 31 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: So where is Trump’s America on this spectrum? You tell us, Spanky. You're the one who thinks it's an issue, so tell us how. Be as specific as you want. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
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