Why is Canada such a disaster while China seems to be very efficient in providing basic services to its people?

[blackbird]

7 hours ago, User said:

It isn't. Can you give us the actual link to Forbes you are using because the only thing I get back when I use your quote in Google is The China Daily. 

Which is essentially the propaganda mouthpiece for their Communist Party. 

 

This does not appear to be from the China Daily.   I read this article and it doesn't sound like any kind of China bias.   It sounds like a complex issue and there are good and not so good things about China's health care system.  It is better for urban areas and not so good for rural areas for one thing.   It also requires money for some services.

Is China’s Healthcare System Better Than Ours? You Decide

Edited January 19 by blackbird

[User]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

This does not appear to be from the China Daily.

Is China’s Healthcare System Better Than Ours? You Decide

Where in that linked piece does any of this appear:

Highly efficient

China's healthcare system is highly efficient, with the country achieving a remarkable level of healthcare efficiency. In 2022, China was the only country to reach zero inefficiency, meaning it maximized its healthcare spending to deliver the best possible health outcomes based on its level of investment. This efficiency is a result of several factors, including high vaccination rates, widespread use of prenatal care, low government corruption, and a larger share of health spending coming from public sources rather than private. The system's efficiency is a testament to China's commitment to improving health outcomes while controlling costs, offering an example for other countries seeking to enhance their health systems. 

Forbes

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, User said:

Where in that linked piece does any of this appear:

Highly efficient

China's healthcare system is highly efficient, with the country achieving a remarkable level of healthcare efficiency. In 2022, China was the only country to reach zero inefficiency, meaning it maximized its healthcare spending to deliver the best possible health outcomes based on its level of investment. This efficiency is a result of several factors, including high vaccination rates, widespread use of prenatal care, low government corruption, and a larger share of health spending coming from public sources rather than private. The system's efficiency is a testament to China's commitment to improving health outcomes while controlling costs, offering an example for other countries seeking to enhance their health systems. 

Forbes

I tried to find it again through the History option but couldn't find it.

I believe it was an AI posting in response to my question "Is China's health system better than Canada's?"  I tried a search again but it does not come up.  Will give it another try anyway.

The other link I just sent you gives a lot of detail of China's health care system.   I don't think you read it yet.

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, User said:

Where in that linked piece does any of this appear:

Highly efficient

China's healthcare system is highly efficient, with the country achieving a remarkable level of healthcare efficiency. In 2022, China was the only country to reach zero inefficiency, meaning it maximized its healthcare spending to deliver the best possible health outcomes based on its level of investment. This efficiency is a result of several factors, including high vaccination rates, widespread use of prenatal care, low government corruption, and a larger share of health spending coming from public sources rather than private. The system's efficiency is a testament to China's commitment to improving health outcomes while controlling costs, offering an example for other countries seeking to enhance their health systems. 

Forbes

Here is one response I received, but it is not the original one I posted.  Don't know why I don't see it now. 

I guess you can search the same thing.

"China's health care system has transformed alongside its society and economy since the Mao era. Chinese citizens can access universal health care through government-supported or mandated health insurance plans. Private healthcare options are also available, and supplementing public health insurance with private cover is possible. China has made efforts to close the gap in health disparities between rural and urban areas, aiming for nearly universal healthcare where essential health services are provided without financial hardship. 

 

Stanford University+2

[User]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I tried to find it again through the History option but couldn't find it.

I believe it was an AI posting in response to my question "Is China's health system better than Canada's?"  I tried a search again but it does not come up.  Will give it another try anyway.

The other link I just sent you gives a lot of detail of China's health care system.   I don't think you read it yet.

So... why try to post a link to some other random Forbes article as if that was the one you got the quote from?

Do you see how that comes across as deceptive?

So, earlier, when you attributed it to Forbes... what was that then, a mistake? 

 

[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, User said:

So... why try to post a link to some other random Forbes article as if that was the one you got the quote from?

Do you see how that comes across as deceptive?

So, earlier, when you attributed it to Forbes... what was that then, a mistake? 

 

No it was no mistake.  I quoted you the short AI article with the Forbes signature at the bottom.  I never added it myself.  It was on the bottom of the article.   You are way too fast at making accusations of deception.  Nothing deceptive about it. 

Edited January 20 by blackbird

[blackbird]

7 hours ago, User said:

Yet, the Middle Class in Canada is not "destroyed" and is still better off by a majority of metrics regarding quality of life and standards of living. 

Was not talking about living standards or quality of life.  This was only about the efficient services a Canadian man working in China said he receives.

[User]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No it was no mistake.  I quoted you the short AI article with the Forbes signature at the bottom.  I never added it myself.  It was on the bottom of the article.   You are way too fast at making accusations of deception.  Nothing deceptive about it. 

Let's review, you post a quote, attributed to Forbes. I point out that the quote doesn't appear anywhere except in The China Daily. You then respond that you will get me the link, but you are out. (Which presumes there is a link to a Forbe article) Then, when you get back, you post a link to some other Forbes article that doesn't have the quote. I call you out on this and now you claim you got the quote from AI and it added the Forbes on the end...

So, why didn't you admit that to begin with, when I pointed out the quote originally was not found in Forbes and you insisted you would be back with the link? Why not admit that you just got it from AI then?

Why force me to figure this out like this?

You want to know why I accuse you of deception, this is why. 

 

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Was not talking about living standards or quality of life.  This was only about the efficient services a Canadian man working in China said he receives.

And I was not responding to you here, was I?

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, User said:

So, why didn't you admit that to begin with, when I pointed out the quote originally was not found in Forbes and you insisted you would be back with the link? Why not admit that you just got it from AI then?

Nothing deceptive about it.   I simply quoted a short article that said Forbes on the bottom.   When you asked to see the link, I looked for it and couldn't find the article again.   What deceptive about that?

You win first prize for accusing people of deception and dishonesty all the time.

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, User said:

You want to know why I accuse you of deception, this is why. 

Is accusing people of deception all the time a MAGA trait?  Sounds like it.

[User]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Nothing deceptive about it.   I simply quoted a short article that said Forbes on the bottom.   When you asked to see the link, I looked for it and couldn't find the article again.   What deceptive about that?

You win first prize for accusing people of deception and dishonesty all the time.

What is deceptive is that instead of admitting all that, you played it off like you did get it from Forbes, and were going to get the link from Forbes, then came back with some random Forbes link. 

That is what was deceptive. Only after you go through all that did you admit you have no idea where you got the quote from other than from AI and it added Forbes at the end... AFTER I called you out. Again. 

Now, you reverse on yourself and claim there was an article? 

So which is it, was it AI that you copied and pasted from or an article?

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Is accusing people of deception all the time a MAGA trait?  Sounds like it.

LOL, you are such a pathetic, cowardly liar. You get called out and then act like you did nothing wrong. 

[blackbird]

7 hours ago, User said:

What is deceptive is that instead of admitting all that, you played it off like you did get it from Forbes, and were going to get the link from Forbes, then came back with some random Forbes link. 

That is what was deceptive. Only after you go through all that did you admit you have no idea where you got the quote from other than from AI and it added Forbes at the end... AFTER I called you out. Again. 

Now, you reverse on yourself and claim there was an article? 

So which is it, was it AI that you copied and pasted from or an article?

LOL, you are such a pathetic, cowardly liar. You get called out and then act like you did nothing wrong. 

You have a serious mental problem.  I am not getting into your game of name calling and accusations. 

Edited January 20 by blackbird

[User]

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

You have a serious mental problem.  I am not getting into your game of name calling and accusations. 

So… you say I have a mental problem and in the next sentence say you are not getting into name calling and accusations.

You can’t even be honest now. 
 

 

Edited January 20 by User

[cougar]

On 1/17/2026 at 8:55 PM, ironstone said:

Living standards in China have improved quite a bit from what I see online.

But we must not lose sight of the fact that they cannot choose who leads them, nor are they allowed to criticize the current regime. 

They even use de-banking as one weapon against those that dare to dissent. That sounds familiar...

Do you think we have a choice who leads us?  And what did it lead us to???

I was listening to CBC someone asking how Canadians should feel about the China made EV-s costing only $4,000/piece given the poor human rights record of the country and the government subsidized auto industry and something else I can't now remember, but equally stupid.

My answer would have been - Look , did we not have an oil and gas government subsidized industry for decades and what did it bring us - the highest gasoline prices in North America.   Human rights?   Are we not all turned to slaves working two or three jobs just to keep ends meet?  What do we have?  Healthcare?  Services? Good food?

And finally , if those Chinese were working all for so very little, how in the world di they invade the most expensive real estate markets and were able to afford houses that Canadian cannot ?

That rhetoric they are spinning does not work.

But the States is no better.  Same bowl of crap.

 

[herbie]

Do you think the average Chinese sees life getting better and gives a shit who they can or can't vote for? Or in Vietnam for that matter.

[User]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Do you think the average Chinese sees life getting better and gives a shit who they can or can't vote for? Or in Vietnam for that matter.

I’m sure they all love the party and their Dear Leader and if they don’t… 

[Alvincityfan]

If the CCP can make the right decisions, then why not support the CCP?

Do you know the key point? Everyone is a CCP member. It has over 100 million official members, and in every field, almost all those with insight are CCP members.

Even those who haven't joined the CCP think in the same way. People think the same way. This is due to national education and the shared social and historical context.

Therefore, the policies made by the CCP don't seem surprising to ordinary people. "If I were making the decision, I would make the same choice." And frankly, because the CCP can gather the country's best experts to make decisions in a very deliberate manner, even if you dislike their decisions, it's meaningless because the final result will prove you wrong and they right. Why? Because your ability, your knowledge, your insight cannot compare to those of the experts making the decisions. You are equivalent to an ordinary home PC, while the CCP's experts are equivalent to a supercomputer.

So, an ordinary person's opposition is almost meaningless. If you truly want to express your opinions on "how to develop a certain aspect of this country," the best way is to first become a top expert in that field. If you do, your opinions will be taken into consideration by the CCP.

[SpankyMcFarland]

It’s very difficult to assess exactly what China is doing in health care. 

[blackbird]

15 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

It’s very difficult to assess exactly what China is doing in health care. 

There are websites with detailed reports on it.  

[SpankyMcFarland]

59 minutes ago, blackbird said:

There are websites with detailed reports on it.  

Anything written in China or with Chinese data is suspect. 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Anything written in China or with Chinese data is suspect. 

A lot that is written in Canada may be suspect as well.   You have to learn how to discern good and bad articles.  A journalist once told me that everything is biased one way or another.

[User]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

A lot that is written in Canada may be suspect as well.   You have to learn how to discern good and bad articles.  A journalist once told me that everything is biased one way or another.

You should also learn how to discern AI giving you an article that is actually Chinese propaganda. 

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, User said:

You should also learn how to discern AI giving you an article that is actually Chinese propaganda. 

What is fact and what is propaganda?  Anything good said about China's health care system must be propaganda of course. 

What about Chinese EVs?  Are they any good?

 

 

 

[User]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

What is fact and what is propaganda?  Anything good said about China's health care system must be propaganda of course. 

What about Chinese EVs?  Are they any good?

 

 

 

Way to dodge the point!

You posted something attributed to Forbes, when asked for a link to Forbes, when I said it was from The China Daily, you played it off dishonestly as if you would get me the link to Forbes, then gave me a link to some other Forbes article that didn’t contain the quote, and only after I called you out did you admit that you got the quote from some AI. 

[blackbird]

58 minutes ago, User said:

Way to dodge the point!

You posted something attributed to Forbes, when asked for a link to Forbes, when I said it was from The China Daily, you played it off dishonestly as if you would get me the link to Forbes, then gave me a link to some other Forbes article that didn’t contain the quote, and only after I called you out did you admit that you got the quote from some AI. 

Clever way to avoid answering the questions.  What you keep saying is irrelevant.  I simply did a search and posted a short article answering the question about health care in China.   I didn't research what Forbes is and if you disagreed with the post, you are free to post any rebuttal you wish.   But you don't refute things on a rational basis.  You prefer to throw BS accusations of dishonesty all the time.  This is why it is necessary to put you on IGNORE.  You are not a serious poster on this forum.

If you expect others to take you seriously, you have to change your approach and respect people that you disagree with and stop accusing them of dishonesty.  That is not how to have a rational discussion with anyone.  It is a total waste of time.  

I get the feeling that you believe in Trump's insulting approach to the world is the way to act.  It is certainly NOT.  It is not Christian or Biblical at all.  He spent the past year insulting the sovereignty of Greenland and making life miserable for the citizens of Greenland.  They don't deserve that kind of treatment.  Maybe you think you are superior to everyone else just as Trump seems to believe.  That doesn't work on a political forum like this.

 

Edited January 22 by blackbird