TreeBeard Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 Just now, Venandi said: Come on... Isn't that what the entire bloody exercise was about? Isn't it the most basic of questions? Isn't that exactly what a grade 6 student would ask if a grade 6 student had the platform to ask the damn question? Maybe they asked and were told “we don’t have that information”. Go do your access request. Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 (edited) 58 minutes ago, CdnFox said: None of that is true with you. For the last 2 years you have been In any case harper was easily one of the best prime ministers I surely don't need a LOSER and pedophile like you telling me what to believe and do... as if you could anyway. You still hanging onto a 15 year old myth?? What a LOSER you are HA HA HA. Harper was forced out as he was so corrupt and sold us out to the Chinese. FIPA (Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement): Negotiated and ratified under Harper, this deal aimed to protect Chinese investments in Canada and give investors rights to sue Canada, sparking major opposition. It was criticized for locking Canada into terms for 31 years and potentially reducing Canadian control over its resources and laws. Stephen Harper's time as Canadian Prime Minister, major scandals involved the Senate expenses scandal (Mike Duffy, Nigel Wright), accusations of manipulating Parliament (prorogation), issues with government spending (F-35s, payroll system), and ethical questions surrounding appointees like Dean Del Mastro, leading to concerns about transparency, accountability, and potential corruption within his inner circle https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34583753 Edited January 9 by ExFlyer 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Venandi Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Maybe they asked and were told “we don’t have that information”. FFS... 6 weeks, 25 rifles out of 200,000 and the most basic piece of fuc%$#@ information isn't even available? Who do you think you're fooling? Edited January 9 by Venandi 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 5 hours ago, Legato said: The Carney's government in Canada is using pipeline discussions (like with Alberta) to gain political support or placate Western provinces, rather than genuinely intending to build them, as some critics see it as a political tactic ("vaporware") to distract from deeper federal-provincial divides and climate goals, not a real project plan. While there are agreements, critics suggest they are empty gestures, fueling frustration in Alberta despite promises, making the "intention" to build seem disingenuous, according to certain analyses. The Carney government did what it said it would do...it lifted restrictions and red tape. It is now in the hands of the private sector to build, the provinces to sort out their issues and the indigenous than need to be happy. There are no "empty gestures"...the feds never promised to build pipelines. Will the feds, (liberal or conservative) eventually have to cough up the money to build it??? Probably but, as of right now, they did what they said they were going to do. 2 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 12 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: The Carney government did what it said it would do...it lifted restrictions and red tape. It is now in the hands of the private sector to build, the provinces to sort out their issues and the indigenous than need to be happy. There are no "empty gestures"...the feds never promised to build pipelines. Will the feds, (liberal or conservative) eventually have to cough up the money to build it??? Probably but, as of right now, they did what they said they were going to do. With the Liberals in power, there will never be a new pipeline. The Carney's a net zero guy. 1 Quote
TreeBeard Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 29 minutes ago, Venandi said: FFS... 6 weeks, 25 rifles out of 200,000 and the most basic piece of fuc%$#@ information isn't even available? Who do you think you're fooling? Fooling who? I told you what they likely said. They probably don’t want to give that info out. Make an access to information request and see what you get if you’re so interested. Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Legato said: With the Liberals in power, there will never be a new pipeline. The Carney's a net zero guy. Bottom line is that the liberals, before,during or after the election never promised to build a pipeline. The said they would remove the federal restrictions and red tape. They did that. No the problem is, no private enterprise is willing to build it even though it is for their profits, no provincial government cooperation and no indigenous buy in. So, as much as you try...it is not Carney or the Liberal government fault it is stalled.... go ask Eby why they are not allowing it in BC. Ask the indigenous why they are not allowing it over their land. Ask Smith why she has not found a partner to build it. Oh and, it was the last liberal government at went in and bailed out the contractors, provinces and indigenous and got it built Edited January 9 by ExFlyer 2 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 19 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Bottom line is that the liberals, before,during or after the election never promised to build a pipeline. The said they would remove the federal restrictions and red tape. They did that. No the problem is, no private enterprise is willing to build it even though it is for their profits, no provincial government cooperation and no indigenous buy in. So, as much as you try...it is not Carney or the Liberal government fault it is stalled.... go ask Eby why they are not allowing it in BC. Ask the indigenous why they are not allowing it over their land. Ask Smith why she has not found a partner to build it. Oh and, it was the last liberal government at went in and bailed out the contractors, provinces and indigenous and got it built Again, there will never be a new pipeline. The carney can waffle all he wants, that's all it is, left over waffle 1 Quote
Venandi Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: I told you what they likely said. They probably don’t want to give that info out. You told me eh? You have no bloody idea "what they likely said" and I bet there's a good reason "they probably don't want to give that info out." Are you defending the notion that someone should have to file an ATIP to obtain the most basic piece of information about a publicly funded trial (announced with great fanfare) as the precursor to a billion dollar national confiscation effort? Put another way, do you think there wouldn't be a huge announcement if they had recovered 1500 AR15s? We would be choking on the pictures right now and you know it. But after 6 weeks there were only 25 rifles recovered, that's five bundles of five, all of them would fit in a smart car and we hear nothing but crickets. If we are going to embark on a major effort like this this shouldn't the press be asking the most basic of questions on our behalf... the sort of questions that any sensible person would ask if they had the platform to ask them? It's the only question of merit in the entire exercise and that was the sole point of doing it. It reminds me of the climate change boondoggle... any child with a hand held calculator could see that the math wasn't working, as a result they had questions that went unanswered and liberal voters actually defended the lack of transparency. Did we learn nothing? Maybe the better question is do you want to pay to do it all over again? I don't and I say that as someone with no banned rifles and no dog in the fight. I simply want to stop spending vast sums on liberal SFIs. Edited January 9 by Venandi 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, Legato said: Again, there will never be a new pipeline. The carney can waffle all he wants, that's all it is, left over waffle What is it that you cannot understand? Carney never said anything about the government building a pipeline. He said he would remove restrictions and red tape and he did. it is now in the hands of private industry the provinces and the indigenous. It is them that need to get on with it. Like it or not...Carney did what he said he would. Edited January 10 by ExFlyer 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: What is it that you cannot understand? Carney never said anything about the government building a pipeline. He said he would remove restrictions and red tape and he did. it is now in the hands of private industry the provinces and the indigenous. It is them that need to get on with it. Like it or not...Carney did what he said he would. Again, Carney stated it's "highly, highly likely" a pipeline proposal would be on the list for accelerated approval under a new law. Everyone knows that will never happen. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: What is it that you cannot understand? Carney never said anything about the government building a pipeline. He said he would remove restrictions and red tape and he did. it is now in the hands of private industry the provinces and the indigenous. It is them that need to get on with it. Like it or not...Carney did what he said he would. He has not removed ALL the red tape, no pipeline policies, tanker ban...So no he has not kept his word, why would private industry invest into any of that when it just to much red tape... The provinces don't have any say, if it is a federal back project. and as far as indigenous peoples go, all they have a right to is consultation...no where in that agreement does it say they must agree with any project.....Carney is using that as his excuse to make sure no pipelines get built... Thinking the liberals have done all they could to get these projects off the ground, what have they done really....made a list started up an approval process, not one project is off the ground yet....and some of them were already approved....go figure....Carney is running out of excuses....he needs to show some progress on any number of the issues that plague Canada right now....everything he has taken action on is still in the planning stages....how many homes has he built this year, or planed to build next year...goggle that shit....just to name one project.... So no Carney has a day short on all of his promises....and has not produced anything of any substance Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 8 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I surely don't need a LOSER and pedophile like you telling me what to believe and do... as if you could anyway LOL no you need a qualified psychiatric professional, but i'm the one who's here And sorry kid, i hate to burst your fantasies but you'll have to find that pedophile you're so desperate for elsewhere. Maybe you'll get lucky and your mom will come up short again this month and be willing to sell you to one for a bit? Quote You still hanging onto a 15 year old myth?? What a LOSER you are LOLOL - harper was 10 years ago kiddo. Still failing math i see And it's not just my opinion, in survey after survey he shows up as the number one or two spot amongst canadians. He did very well There's no better proof of that than the fact the only real scandal you could come up with is where he tried to force a corrupt politician to pay money BACK to taxpayers instead of stealing it LOLOLO OH NOES!!!! We could use a HELL of a lot more scandals like that Harper was very comfortably one of our best ever and it's obviously upsetting you. As people who was better, harper or trudeua and it won't even be close 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: What is it that you cannot understand? Carney never said anything about the government building a pipeline. He said he would remove restrictions and red tape and he did. it is now in the hands of private industry the provinces and the indigenous. It is them that need to get on with it. Like it or not...Carney did what he said he would. But he didn't remove the restrictions of red tape. And the industry has come forward and said that they're not interested in building a pipeline while those restrictions are in place. He also said he'd remove the inter provincial trade barriers by negotiating with provinces. That never happened. He said he'd build more homes and we're building less homes. He said he'd deal with trump's tariffs and we have more terrorists than we ever had Carney has failed to cross the board. That's 100% verifiable Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 13 hours ago, Legato said: Again, Carney stated it's "highly, highly likely" a pipeline proposal would be on the list for accelerated approval under a new law. Everyone knows that will never happen. You do understand that being on "the list for accelerated approval" means eliminating federal restrictions and regulations....not construction? That has happened...and as I have said to you numerous times...it is now for the Provinces, municipalities, indigenous and construction partners to get together to build the pipelines. If it does not happen, it is not the fault of the feds..it is the fault of the provinces, municipalities and construction partners. 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 13 hours ago, Army Guy said: He has not removed ALL the red tape, no pipeline policies, tanker ban...So no he has not kept his word, why would private industry invest into any of that when it just to much red tape... The provinces don't have any say, if it is a federal back project. and as far as indigenous peoples go, all they have a right to is consultation...no where in that agreement does it say they must agree with any project.....Carney is using that as his excuse to make sure no pipelines get built... Thinking the liberals have done all they could to get these projects off the ground, what have they done really....made a list started up an approval process, not one project is off the ground yet....and some of them were already approved....go figure....Carney is running out of excuses....he needs to show some progress on any number of the issues that plague Canada right now....everything he has taken action on is still in the planning stages....how many homes has he built this year, or planed to build next year...goggle that shit....just to name one project.... So no Carney has a day short on all of his promises....and has not produced anything of any substance "The Canada Energy Regulator (CER) is currently in Phase 2 of a multi-year review of its Onshore Pipeline Regulations (OPR), with a regulatory proposal expected for input in late 2025/early 2026. Key topics under consideration include: Pipeline Integrity: Potential requirements for companies to include supporting risk and geohazard assessments during pipeline design. Substance Definitions: Expanding the definition of "onshore pipeline" to explicitly include gaseous hydrogen and carbon dioxide, which would bring them under the same regulatory oversight. Emergency Management: Enhancing requirements for emergency management programs, including communication plans for notifying affected municipalities of incidents or excavations. Cost Recovery: Updating the framework for cost recovery for CER-regulated companies and facilities. " Tanker Ban. While the ban is law, recent discussions involve potential changes or lifting it for new pipeline projects like Alberta's, sparking debate between proponents (economic development, energy security) and opponents (environmental risk, Indigenous rights), with First Nations and BC government opposing changes without significant consent " Indigenous groups in Canada do not have an explicit legal "veto" on pipeline construction, as the Supreme Court has ruled against it; however, the Crown has a deep duty to consult, meaning inadequate consultation can invalidate project approvals, effectively giving First Nations significant power to delay or stop projects through legal challenges and court rulings, creating a 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 (edited) 10 hours ago, CdnFox said: LOL no you need And sorry kid, i hate to burst your fantasies but you'll have to find that pedophile Maybe you'll get lucky and your mom LOLOL - harper was 10 years ago kiddo. . You need to look in the mirror and see your obsessions with me. Cannot get me out of your head....eating away at you and it shows LOL LOL LOL Oooo poor poor pedophile LOSER. Denial is one of the recover phases...stick with it and maybe you can come out of it . LOL LOL LOL Harper is the past, so is Trudeau...time for you to move on LOSER LOL LOL LOL Go away LOSER...you gain nothing posting to me except proving I am in your head ans it pi$$es you off. HA HA HA Oh wait... you have...you are a PP groupie now HA HA HA Edited January 10 by ExFlyer 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Barquentine Posted January 10 Author Report Posted January 10 23 hours ago, Legato said: critics suggest they are empty gestures That's what critics do. 1 Quote
Legato Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 36 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: You do understand that being on "the list for accelerated approval" means eliminating federal restrictions and regulations....not construction? That has happened...and as I have said to you numerous times...it is now for the Provinces, municipalities, indigenous and construction partners to get together to build the pipelines. If it does not happen, it is not the fault of the feds..it is the fault of the provinces, municipalities and construction partners. and??? Again, no pipelines will be constructed until the Carney is out of office. 20 minutes ago, Barquentine said: That's what critics do. Well then Mr. Blow, prove them wrong. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Legato said: and??? Again, no pipelines will be constructed until the Carney is out of office. Well then Mr. Blow, prove them wrong. Look, your obsession with hating Carney is evident but, the building of pipelines is now in the hands of the Provinces and indigenous. And???? Canada bailed out the construction companies last time and took over completion of the Trans Mountain Pipeline at tremendous cost...you want the feds to do that again? "this memorandum of understanding (MOU) is an agreement by Ottawa to help facilitate the construction of a pipeline that will carry a million barrels of oil a day from Alberta's oil patch to an export terminal on the Pacific coast, where that product will be shipped mostly to energy-hungry Asian markets. The agreement stresses that this pipeline will be privately constructed and financed — unlike the publicly-owned Trans Mountain" Building it is considered of "National Interest" triggers powers under the Building Canada Act which Carney's government passed in June. That designation means the pipeline — and possibly the tankers associated with transporting the oil — could be exempted from some federal laws. Those include the Fisheries Act, the Species At Risk Act and the Impact Assessment Act." I get that you do not think it will be built but...who will be at fault? Private industry? Alberta? Indigenous? Maybe the Chinese will build it as they need the oil? Or maybe Americans, since they own over 50% of Alberta oil production?? But then again, the Americans are already getting most of the oil produced already so why would they build a pipleline to be able to sell their oil to Asian markets? Edited January 10 by ExFlyer 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 17 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Look, your obsession with hating Carney is evident but, the building of pipelines is now in the hands of the Provinces and indigenous. And???? Canada bailed out the construction companies last time and took over completion of the Trans Mountain Pipeline at tremendous cost...you want the feds to do that again? "this memorandum of understanding (MOU) is an agreement by Ottawa to help facilitate the construction of a pipeline that will carry a million barrels of oil a day from Alberta's oil patch to an export terminal on the Pacific coast, where that product will be shipped mostly to energy-hungry Asian markets. The agreement stresses that this pipeline will be privately constructed and financed — unlike the publicly-owned Trans Mountain" Building it is considered of "National Interest" triggers powers under the Building Canada Act which Carney's government passed in June. That designation means the pipeline — and possibly the tankers associated with transporting the oil — could be exempted from some federal laws. Those include the Fisheries Act, the Species At Risk Act and the Impact Assessment Act." I get that you do not think it will be built but...who will be at fault? Private industry? Alberta? Indigenous? Maybe the Chinese will build it as they need the oil? Or maybe Americans, since they own over 50% of Alberta oil production?? But then again, the Americans are already getting most of the oil produced already so why would they build a pipleline to be able to sell their oil to Asian markets? Yes I understand what you're saying. all looks good until reality bites. That being, the Carney will see to it one way or another that no pipeline(s) will be constructed. I don't hate anyone. The Carney's good at bamboozling people and a lot fail to see the obviosity. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 (edited) 👍 22 minutes ago, Legato said: Yes I understand what you're saying. all looks good until reality bites. That being, the Carney will see to it one way or another that no pipeline(s) will be constructed. I don't hate anyone. The Carney's good at bamboozling people and a lot fail to see the obviosity. Good discussion 👍 I believe Carney is trying. I do not think he was aware of the severe and sometimes hostile provincial inter fighting. Yeah, the provincial and indigenous reality bites. Edited January 10 by ExFlyer 1 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Goddess Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 21 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I do not prioritize superficial traits OK. 21 hours ago, ExFlyer said: if the communicator does not portray themselves as likeable and potential leadership value, then they lose You don't see the contradiction in your words, there? On the one hand - you don't prioritize superficial traits. But on the other hand, if the superficial trait of "likeability" is not there, it doesn't matter to you what policies they present. 🤪 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 16 hours ago, Army Guy said: He has not removed ALL the red tape, no pipeline policies, tanker ban...So no he has not kept his word, why would private industry invest into any of that when it just to much red tape... Liberal supporters seem not just content with crumbs falling from table, they are thrilled by them. Who is going to build a pipeline if there's a tanker ban? You can get the oil into the pipe, but you can't get it to world markets. This is so basic. It's like telling a manufacturer of widgets that the entire world wants - Yes, build the widgets, box them up for shipping. Oh, by the way, semi trailers, airplanes and trains are not allowed on the highways surrounding you. Are Liberal supporters that daft? Is it the 14th booster? 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: I do not think he was aware of the severe and sometimes hostile provincial inter fighting. Of course he is. One of his campaign promises was to reduce inter-provincial trade barriers. He even set a date it would be done by. That has not happened and we haven't heard another word about it. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
eyeball Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 Just now, Goddess said: Of course he is. One of his campaign promises was to reduce inter-provincial trade barriers. He even set a date it would be done by. That has not happened and we haven't heard another word about it. You want him to force the provinces to do his bidding? I know I do. There are several things not going on for which Carney should be invoking the notwithstanding clause the way Trump signs executive orders. Like nationalizing the certification and licencing of all the doctors and nurses driving Uber cars and flipping burgers instead of working as doctors and nurses. I'd be looking at implementation windows no bigger than two - four weeks long. Force...the real McCoy. 3 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
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