CdnFox Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Yeah...a lot of rhetoric and BS and excuses form Enbridge when they have its committed money elsewhere. Well considering you didn't even know that they proposed it till 5 seconds ago when I told you that's some pretty deep analysis One post ago you were denying this ever happened or that they said anything LOLOL The other major companies are saying the same thing and it's no surprise. There's no excuses there's no rhetoric. And taking one look at the situation and saying the Canadian government can't be trusted and the laws in place prevent any building Enbridge, and every other for profit company, are going to build projects that make money. And they know that with the liberals and the liberal laws in power that's not possible Bottom line - Canada's economy is Fcuked, far worse than around the rest of the world, and carney is making it worse. He only cares about lining his own pockets, and weak minded folk keep cheering for him anyway 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 52 minutes ago, eyeball said: Nope, they've actually been measured from satellites in orbit. So provide the actual original source information for that. Not an opinion piece that claims it but the original source documents and research. It may well be true but you NEVER provide sources and with you there's a better than average chance it's full of shit, so lets see the source. Not someone who told you something that someone told them, the source 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 1 hour ago, ironstone said: Comparison of Canada and U.S. Economic Performance Since 2015 Since 2015, Canada's economy has generally lagged behind that of the United States across multiple metrics, particularly in terms of real GDP growth and GDP per capita. I don't expect any positives from Carney since basically, it's the same team with a new coach. By and large, the policies are the same. The debt will continue to soar. Unemployment will be higher than in the US. No signs yet that grocery prices are coming down. Carney doesn't seem to be even slightly concerned about getting a deal done with the US. (maybe that's because he is personally so heavily invested in that country?) But as long as there are just enough voters who vote based on perceived likeability of the opposition leader, while they ignore our mediocre economy, Carney will stay in power. Canada vs the US has never been a close comparison. we are not and would never be American and if you are so concerned about us vs the US...go to the US. Canada is independent and does well on the world stage. 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 15 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Well considering you didn't even know that they proposed it till 5 seconds ago when I told you that's some pretty deep analysis One post ago you were denying this ever happened or that they said anything LOLOL The other major companies are saying the same thing and it's no surprise. There's no excuses there's no rhetoric. And taking one look at the situation and saying the Canadian government can't be trusted and the laws in place prevent any building Enbridge, and every other for profit company, are going to build projects that make money. And they know that with the liberals and the liberal laws in power that's not possible Bottom line - Canada's economy is Fcuked, far worse than around the rest of the world, and carney is making it worse. He only cares about lining his own pockets, and weak minded folk keep cheering for him anyway "Enbridge, and every other for profit company are going to build projects that make money." like Brookfield?? LOL Anyway BS from you..as usual LOL I can not expect anything less from a LOSER like you LOL 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ironstone Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 11 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Canada vs the US has never been a close comparison. we are not and would never be American and if you are so concerned about us vs the US...go to the US. Isn't it kind of obvious which country Carney has placed his bets on?🤔 Which countries should we be comparing ourselves to since we don't stack up too well against our geographical neighbor too well, certainly in terms of per capita GDP? 1 Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
ExFlyer Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ironstone said: Isn't it kind of obvious which country Carney has placed his bets on?🤔 Which countries should we be comparing ourselves to since we don't stack up too well against our geographical neighbor too well, certainly in terms of per capita GDP? Bottom line is Canada is doing quite well by world standards. The US has 400 million people and one of the worlds largest producers and economy...Canada has 40 million and we sold all our production to 3rd world countries so we could but things cheaper. Sounds like self inflicted wound to me. And don't venture off into "young people can't by a home" territory either. "trend showing a gradual increase in the homebuying age over the decades. For comparison: In 1985, the median age was 29. By 1995, the median age had increased slightly to between 30 and 31 years of age. . "The average age of a Canadian first-time home buyer in 2025 is around 36" So in 35 to 45 years the average home buyers ages increased by 4 to 6 years. Edited January 13 by ExFlyer 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 26 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Canada vs the US has never been a close comparison. We were all through the harper years. Our growth and GDP per capita and other metrics were damn near lockstep with the united states, with us sometimes having an advantage and sometimes losing a little bit being pretty much bang on on average. Our dollar rose to more than the US dollar for quite some time So yeah, it's been closed for decades until the liberals got into power and now it's nose dived If you have to lie to make your point you don't have a very good point 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 1 minute ago, ExFlyer said: Bottom line is Canada is doing quite well by world standards Bottom line is that Canada is bottom of the barrel by world standards. We are literally the worst performing country in the G7 by a mile, And reports indicate that we're expected to be lagging for almost 40 years now due to the mistakes we've made By every metric we are falling. GDP per capita, unemployment, investment is fleeing, crime, insolvencies, food and critical necessity inflation, you name it Food bank uses at an all-time high and you're going on about how great we're doing. 27 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: "Enbridge, and every other for profit company are going to build projects that make money." like Brookfield?? LOL Yeah. Just like Brooksfield. Which is why we generally don't let companies run our country. But now that's exactly what we've done, carney isn't working for Canada he's working for brooksville. And brooks field doesn't care about Canada, Brookfield cares about making money. That's why Connie is such a disaster 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Legato Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Bottom line is Canada is doing quite well by world standards. Not really.... Recent economic analyses suggest that Canada's standard of living is falling behind that of many other developed nations, primarily due to weak productivity and a decline in GDP per capita. While the overall economy has grown, this has not translated into improved living standards for the average Canadian. Key Areas of Concern GDP Per Capita: This key measure of living standards has declined in Canada, in stark contrast to its OECD peers. Between 2014 and 2022, Canada's GDP per person increased by only a fraction of the OECD average, and projections suggest it will have the lowest per-person GDP growth among all OECD countries until 2060. Productivity: Canada is facing a "productivity emergency," with Canadian workers clocking more hours for less output compared to their international counterparts. This is attributed to weak business investment, increased regulation, and a lack of investment in research and development and technology adoption. Cost of Living & Wealth Gap: High inflation and food prices have put many families under financial strain, and the gap between rich and poor has widened at a record pace. Housing unaffordability in major cities is a significant concern, outpacing wage growth. Healthcare and Social Services: The healthcare system is lagging behind its European counterparts, and the justice system is also facing challenges. Quality of Life Rankings: Some independent indices reflect these concerns, with Canada's quality of life ranking reportedly falling to 27th globally in 2025, down from 12th in 2015, trailing other peer nations like the U.S., Australia, and several European countries. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, ironstone said: Isn't it kind of obvious which country Carney has placed his bets on?🤔 Which countries should we be comparing ourselves to since we don't stack up too well against our geographical neighbor too well, certainly in terms of per capita GDP? Carney is Canadian and working for Canada. Living across the street from homes with mansions does not make you comparable. We are not as bad as some of you doomsayers are making it out. "Canada's economy is a strong, developed market (9th largest globally by GDP) with high immigration and stable growth but faces challenges in per capita GDP growth, falling behind peers like the U.S. due to lower labor productivitymeaning living standards aren't rising as fast as total economic output, despite strengths in stability, low debt (G7), and resource wealth." "Canada excels in overall economic size, stability, and government fiscal health within the G7 but struggles to translate its total economic growth into rising per person prosperity, largely due to lagging productivity and investment compared to leading developed economies" Edited January 13 by ExFlyer 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: We were all through the harper years. Our growth and GDP per capita and other metrics were damn near lockstep with the united states, with us sometimes having an advantage and sometimes losing a little bit being pretty much bang on on average. Our dollar rose to more than the US dollar for quite some time So yeah, it's been closed for decades until the liberals got into power and now it's nose dived If you have to lie to make your point you don't have a very good point "While Canada and the United States have developed closely integrated economies, Canada has never been the economic equivalent of the U.S. in terms of overall size or average individual wealth. The U.S. economy has consistently been much larger and more powerful Key Economic Differences and Historical Context Overall Economic Size: The U.S. has a significantly larger population and a far more diversified, industrialized economy that developed earlier than Canada's. Canada, despite being the world's 10th largest economy as of the early 2000s, has a smaller population base than any other G7 member, and its economy is often characterized as a "branch-plant economy" relative to its large neighbor. Trade Dependency: Canada's economy is highly dependent on trade with the U.S.; approximately three-quarters of Canadian merchandise exports are sent south of the border. In contrast, trade with Canada makes up a much smaller percentage of the U.S. economy, a point that has given the U.S. significant leverage in trade negotiations." 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
eyeball Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: So provide the actual original source information for that. Not an opinion piece that claims it but the original source documents and research. It may well be true but you NEVER provide sources and with you there's a better than average chance it's full of shit, so lets see the source. Not someone who told you something that someone told them, the source A scholarly paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) details satellite observations of waves during a December 2024 North Pacific "mega-storm" named Storm Eddie, which produced individual waves estimated to have exceeded 35 meters (115 feet). The paper is titled https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2513381122 Here's something a little more digestible https://www.ecoticias.com/en/satellites-capture-a-mega-storm-in-the-north-pacific-that-produced-giant-waves-up-to-115-feet-high-that-traveled-nearly-15000-miles/25255/ Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: It may well be true but you NEVER provide sources and with you there's a better than average chance it's full of shit, so lets see the source. Talking to your mirror again? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
ironstone Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Carney is Canadian and working for Canada. When I made the comment about which country Carney is placing his bets on, obviously I was referring to the fact that he has over 90% of his Brookfield investments are with American companies. And I believe his main focus is growing his Brookfield investments. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
ExFlyer Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 2 hours ago, ironstone said: When I made the comment about which country Carney is placing his bets on, obviously I was referring to the fact that he has over 90% of his Brookfield investments are with American companies. And I believe his main focus is growing his Brookfield investments. The fact is, you have no idea how much Carney has invested and with whom. "Mark Carney's assets, subject to public disclosure as Canadian Prime Minister, include a diverse portfolio managed in a blind trust, featuring significant holdings in Brookfield Asset Management (options/shares) and other major international firms (Tesla, Google, Amazon, etc.)," "Most of his investments, including stock options and shares from his time at Brookfield and other firms, were placed into a blind trust managed by a third party to avoid conflicts of interest" "He disclosed these assets to the Ethics Commissioner within the mandated timeframe after becoming Prime Minister," " Carney held approximately 41,000 deferred share units (DSUs) and 303,049 stock options. As of late 2024/early 2025, unexercised stock options were valued at roughly $6.8 million USD. Stripe, Inc.: He held shares in the payments processor where he previously served as a board member. Diverse Stock Portfolio: His ethics disclosure included a 15-page list of shares in over 560 companies managed by a third party. Key holdings included: Technology/American Giants: Tesla, Alphabet (Google), Philip Morris International, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Walmart, and Fox." ." That statement is not entirely accurate; "Brookfield is a global investment firm with both Canadian and American roots and operations worldwide, and is not comprised solely of American companies. " "Brookfield Corporation is a Canadian multinational company headquartered in Toronto. Its primary subsidiary, Brookfield Asset Management, moved its headquarters to New York City in 2024 to simplify its financial reporting structure for U.S. investors, but it remains heavily linked to its Canadian parent." "Brookfield has over $1 trillion in assets under management across numerous countries and continents, focusing on real assets like real estate, infrastructure, renewable power, and private equity. It has a significant presence in the U.S., but also owns and operates assets in Brazil, India, Europe, Australia, and many other regions." "Brookfield is owned by a mix of major institutional investors, public shareholders, and its own parent company, Brookfield Corporation, which holds a significant controlling stake (nearly 73%), with Brookfield Asset Management (BAM) being a key part of the structure, overseen by CEO Bruce Flatt. Major institutional holders include Vanguard, while the public and other institutions own substantial portions, with recent insider activity showing mixed signals but overall stability from the parent company's control." 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ironstone Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Brookfield Corporation is a Canadian multinational company headquartered in Toronto. Mark Carney moved Brookfield headquarters to New York as I'm sure you are aware of. The list of his Brookfield shares is publicly available. Blind trust? Carney knows which companies he has shares in and which policy initiatives will make him a lot of money. Heat pumps, modular homes, nuclear reactors, rental properties etc. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Moonlight Graham Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 I predict the Liberal Party attains a majority by continuing to bribe politicians to cross the floor contrary to the will of the voters in their riding. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
ExFlyer Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 9 hours ago, ironstone said: Mark Carney moved Brookfield headquarters to New York as I'm sure you are aware of. The list of his Brookfield shares is publicly available. Blind trust? Carney knows which companies he has shares in and which policy initiatives will make him a lot of money. Heat pumps, modular homes, nuclear reactors, rental properties etc. Are you really saying it was Carney that devised, ordered and conducted the move of a portion of a huge conglomerate from one country to another??? Or perhaps it was a move decided upon and ordered by the board of directors? I think knowing the facts is quite important "Brookfield Asset Management (BAM) moved its head office from Toronto to New York primarily to get listed on major U.S. stock indexes, like the S&P 500, to attract a larger pool of U.S. investors and boost its stock value, as the U.S. holds most of its employees and revenue . This move, a technical change, aimed to simplify its corporate structure and gain visibility for broader global capital, allowing index funds tracking U.S. companies to buy its stock" VeryiImportant to understand "BAM vs. Brookfield Corp.: Only the asset management arm (BAM) moved to New York; its parent company, Brookfield Corporation, remains headquartered in Toronto." So, it is not what you think or thought. 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 On 1/13/2026 at 1:12 PM, eyeball said: A scholarly paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) details satellite observations of waves during a December 2024 North Pacific "mega-storm" named Storm Eddie, which produced individual waves estimated to have exceeded 35 meters (115 feet). The paper is titled https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2513381122 Here's something a little more digestible https://www.ecoticias.com/en/satellites-capture-a-mega-storm-in-the-north-pacific-that-produced-giant-waves-up-to-115-feet-high-that-traveled-nearly-15000-miles/25255/ I very clearly said no articles, show me the research. And of course she posted an article. If this is based on Research they would have posted the research. And you would be able to provide that research Once again you prove my point. You never provide cites. On 1/13/2026 at 1:15 PM, eyeball said: Talking to your mirror again? Oh look, you've learned to parrot your betters That puts you at what, a grade three intelligence or something? Well done nice to see you improving Mind you it's pretty funny you say that directly after proving that I was right 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 On 1/13/2026 at 12:24 PM, ExFlyer said: "While Canada and the United States have developed closely integrated economies, Canada has never been the economic equivalent of the U.S. in terms of overall size No one claimed they were and you're stupid for suggesting that . But we are economically equivalent or at least we were per capita. Wah wah Waaaaaaaahhh you lose again kiddo 9 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Are you really saying it was Carney that devised, ordered and conducted the move of a portion of a huge conglomerate from one country to another??? Or perhaps it was a move decided upon and ordered by the board of directors? it was Carnie and we've been through this a trillion times And more importantly he claimed he had nothing to do with it when in fact he was the one that orchestrated it and pressured everyone else to agree. The very fact you have to lie proves you know you're in the wrong 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 39 minutes ago, CdnFox said: No one claimed they were and you're stupid for suggesting that . But we are economically equivalent or at least we were per capita. Wah wah Waaaaaaaahhh you lose again kiddo it was Carnie and we've been through this a trillion times And more importantly he claimed he had nothing to do with it when in fact he was the one that orchestrated it and pressured everyone else to agree. The very fact you have to lie proves you know you're in the wrong MEH!! LOL LOSER 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 19 hours ago, ironstone said: Mark Carney moved Brookfield headquarters to New York as I'm sure you are aware of. The list of his Brookfield shares is publicly available. Blind trust? Carney knows which companies he has shares in and which policy initiatives will make him a lot of money. Heat pumps, modular homes, nuclear reactors, rental properties etc. It is so obvious you know nothing about business. Even with proof, you cannot grasp the reality. Ypur bias had\s blinded ypo to the real thing LOL "Brookfield Asset Management (BAM) moved its head office from Toronto to New York primarily to get listed on major U.S. stock indexes," "Very important to understand "BAM vs. Brookfield Corp.: Only the asset management arm (BAM) moved to New York; its parent company, Brookfield Corporation, remains headquartered in Toronto."" 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 6 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: It is so obvious you know nothing about business. It's obvious that what he said was true and you're having a problem with that. Or if it's so innocent and completely above board why did he lie about it? 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 13 hours ago, CdnFox said: It's obvious that what he said was true and you're having a problem with that. Or if it's so innocent and completely above board why did he lie about it? Lie? What lie??? Here is truth Brookfield Asset Management (BAM) moved its head office from Toronto to New York primarily to get listed on major U.S. stock indexes," "Very important to understand "BAM vs. Brookfield Corp.: Only the asset management arm (BAM) moved to New York; its parent company, Brookfield Corporation, remains headquartered in Toronto."" Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be. Unread replies Drag files here to attach, or choose files... 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Lie? What lie??? He said he had nothing to do with moving the company to the states. That was a lie. We know know that was a lie with 100 percent certainty. Further he said the decision to make the move happened AFTER he left. We know that to be a lie, he was still there when the decision was made and in fact it was reported in the financial post. He lied. And so do you, and the question is why. I understand why he lied, he was trying to trick you so that he could make lots of money and have power. But I don't understand why you lie on his behalf. Some people here call liberal supporters members of a cult, and I've never really gone along with that but there are some times when it does feel like you guys are cultists who will defend any lie and who will twist reality in whatever matter necessary to convince yourself and others that the truth isn't the truth if you don't like it 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
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