Imported Muslim terrorist offs 11 Jews celebrating the first day of Hanukkah.

[Michael Hardner]

Adding:

What percentage our population growth do you think has come from Afghanistan immigration since 2000 ?  As a percentage of overall population growth, how many were born there and came here ?

Answer: 43,625 out of 7.5M or .5%

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=9810034901

https://www.google.com/search?q=canada+population+growth+2000-2021&oq=canada+popul&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggAEEUYOzIGCAAQRRg7MgYIARBFGDkyBggCEEUYPDIGCAMQRRg8MgYIBBBFGD3SAQgzNDY2ajBqOagCALACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Deluge]

15 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I'm not claiming equivalence, I'm showing how wide statements like this are flawed.

2. But there is still a wrongdoing by a small minority attributed to the whole.  I'm talking meta here.

1. You can't get too wide with Islam. It needs to stay in the Middle East where it belongs - let the tribes wipe each other out in their own territories. 

2. But the small wrong doings in Catholicism and the BSA don't compare to Islam's beheadings, public executions and invasions. And I'm not even sure that all the ME leaders aren't terrorists themselves. 

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. You can't get too wide with Islam. It needs to stay in the Middle East where it belongs - let the tribes wipe each other out in their own territories. 

2. But the small wrong doings in Catholicism and the BSA don't compare to Islam's beheadings, public executions and invasions. And I'm not even sure that all the ME leaders aren't terrorists themselves. 

1. Based on reasonable discussion, I concur that there's a problem with Islamic Fundamentalism but I don't think banning Muslims will help anything.  Muslims are like all people, they want to work and thrive ... they can live with other faiths in their midst.  
2. "Small wrong doings" ... that's a matter of perspective.  It's pretty horrific and happens on a very wide scale.  How about mass murderers ?  I read that they're predominantly White folks.... that's pretty horrific too ?  

And I got another poster to support the idea for keeping Black people out of Canada, based on US crime stats.

I'm sure you can see where this goes...  

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Economic reasons, period.  Whether or not that's a good approach is a separate question.
2. What is the alternative reason ?
3. Are you able to project what Canada's economy would have been like without the population growth of this century ?  Because even a great economist would have trouble with that.
4. Manufacturing sector was gutted on purpose.  The trade off was higher exports (Western Canada) growth in services, etc. etc.  If you are an unskilled wage earner supporting a household, though, your prospects are far worse than 2 generations ago.
5. I can't think of an Arab nation we attacked.  Afghanistan isn't Arab and we weren't part of Iraq 2003.  I don't think we got many Iraqis either.  If you're talking about refugees then that's humanitarian, not economic.
6. You have a laundry list of complaints.  Basically you're critical of the Liberal government policies and believe me I get that.  Our debt is not much different than US debt federally.
7. 8.  All I can conclude from this is that you think there's some secret conspiracy.  There's no such thing.  Governments world-wide are in trouble, including the USA which has elected the most right-wing president in memory and they're not doing very well either.
 
Anyway, yes things are bad... but we have followed a laissez-faire neoliberal economic plan for almost 50 years so maybe that needs to be looked at a little more ?  Just saying.

In my day, business had to do well or fail.  The government set the table so that the spoils of the economy helped the country overall.  We have predatory combines today that control wages and prices to the point where folks struggle even though we are overall far wealthier than when I was a youth in 1970.

 

1. Its not been good for the economy. No...this is something else.

Look at the rest of your own reply here.

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Anyway, yes things are bad... but we have followed a laissez-faire neoliberal economic plan for almost 50 years so maybe that needs to be looked at a little more ?  Just saying.

In my day, business had to do well or fail.  The government set the table so that the spoils of the economy helped the country overall.  We have predatory combines today that control wages and prices to the point where folks struggle even though we are overall far wealthier than when I was a youth in 1970.

Its not good Mike. Not good at all. Why? Any twit could have recognized the sheer folly of flooding the nation with "refugees" and sh1t on the global economy at the same time. And let us not forget the damage done by The Rona. All at once.

So you're right. I do think there's a concerted effort to make this happen. The final reach for a very few...to achieve the ultimate goal...to control the world. When wealth becomes irrelevant what's left for the ambitious to go for? Power.

They call the POTUS the most powerful man on Earth. He's not. And it shows in his actions. Has done for a few presidents now.

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Economic reasons, period.  Whether or not that's a good approach is a separate question.
2. What is the alternative reason ?
3. Are you able to project what Canada's economy would have been like without the population growth of this century ?  Because even a great economist would have trouble with that.
4. Manufacturing sector was gutted on purpose.  The trade off was higher exports (Western Canada) growth in services, etc. etc.  If you are an unskilled wage earner supporting a household, though, your prospects are far worse than 2 generations ago.
5. I can't think of an Arab nation we attacked.  Afghanistan isn't Arab and we weren't part of Iraq 2003.  I don't think we got many Iraqis either.  If you're talking about refugees then that's humanitarian, not economic.
6. You have a laundry list of complaints.  Basically you're critical of the Liberal government policies and believe me I get that.  Our debt is not much different than US debt federally.
7. 8.  All I can conclude from this is that you think there's some secret conspiracy.  There's no such thing.  Governments world-wide are in trouble, including the USA which has elected the most right-wing president in memory and they're not doing very well either.
 
Anyway, yes things are bad... but we have followed a laissez-faire neoliberal economic plan for almost 50 years so maybe that needs to be looked at a little more ?  Just saying.

In my day, business had to do well or fail.  The government set the table so that the spoils of the economy helped the country overall.  We have predatory combines today that control wages and prices to the point where folks struggle even though we are overall far wealthier than when I was a youth in 1970.

 

1. Its not been good for the economy. No...this is something else.

Look at the rest of your own reply here.

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Anyway, yes things are bad... but we have followed a laissez-faire neoliberal economic plan for almost 50 years so maybe that needs to be looked at a little more ?  Just saying.

In my day, business had to do well or fail.  The government set the table so that the spoils of the economy helped the country overall.  We have predatory combines today that control wages and prices to the point where folks struggle even though we are overall far wealthier than when I was a youth in 1970.

Its not good Mike. Not good at all. Why? Any twit could have recognized the sheer folly of flooding the nation with "refugees" and sh1t on the global economy at the same time. And let us not forget the damage done by The Rona. All at once.

So you're right. I do think there's a concerted effort to make this happen. The final reach for a very few...to achieve the ultimate goal...to control the world. When wealth becomes irrelevant what's left for the ambitious to go for? Power.

They call the POTUS the most powerful man on Earth. He's not. And it shows in his actions. Has done for a few presidents now.

 

 

Not sure why this posted twice...meh

Edited December 18, 2025 by Nationalist

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Based on reasonable discussion, I concur that there's a problem with Islamic Fundamentalism but I don't think banning Muslims will help anything.  Muslims are like all people, they want to work and thrive ... they can live with other faiths in their midst.  
2. "Small wrong doings" ... that's a matter of perspective.  It's pretty horrific and happens on a very wide scale.  How about mass murderers ?  I read that they're predominantly White folks.... that's pretty horrific too ?  

And I got another poster to support the idea for keeping Black people out of Canada, based on US crime stats.

I'm sure you can see where this goes...  

1. Muslims belong to a dangerous belief system. If they want to live in the US then they need to assimilate and leave Islam at the border.  

2. Islam has no place in a free society - it's too stringent and too aggressive and too violent.

You can't deport white citizens - get that through your woke addled head. 

If enough Canadians wanted to keep blacks out of their country, then so be it. If someone can't handle that, then they can relocate to a non-white country with the blacks - God knows there are loads of choices. 

 

 

 

Edited December 18, 2025 by Deluge

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yes, the response is understandable.  But people need to understand that a murder committed by a foreigner (as opposed to terrorism) doesn't say anything about the people.  Leaders who trump up such crimes are doing it to gain political attention, IMO.

And what you people need to understand is that it is actually quite true that some foreigners are more likely to commit some crimes. Or in fact have other traits which may be positive.

Generally speaking an American who moves to Canada is more likely to want to have the right to own guns than a person moving here from Japan. Well you can't translate that to the individual you absolutely can make that statement about the group. It's not even racial, it's cultural more or less

Groups from certain parts of the world are vastly more likely to participate in honor killings then the average natural canadian.  That's simply true.

 groups coming here from certain parts of the world right at the moment are more likely to be accepting a violence and hostility towards Jews. Prove me wrong.

So in fact that does have to be taken into account when you're looking at immigration.

The problem with you and your type is that you make statements based on ideology but simply don't hold up with real-world experience. And in the real world we do decrease the likelihood of violence and crime by limiting immigration from certain locations.

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. Muslims belong to a dangerous belief system. If they want to live in the US then they need to assimilate and leave Islam at the border.  

2. Islam has no place in a free society - it's too stringent and too aggressive and too violent.

3. You can't deport white citizens - get that through your woke addled head. 

4. If enough Canadians wanted to keep blacks out of their country, then so be it. If someone can't handle that, then they can relocate to a non-white country with the blacks - God knows there are loads of choices. 

1.  Ok, your opinion is noted.  But there's nothing to discuss in that.
2. Ditto.
3. I didn't suggest that... and don't insult me... I'm not interested in discussing with people who insult me.
4. What's your opinion though ?  Seems like you should be for it...

[Michael Hardner]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

1. Its not been good for the economy.  

2. Its not good Mike. Not good at all. Why? Any twit could have recognized the sheer folly of flooding the nation with "refugees" and sh1t on the global economy at the same time. And let us not forget the damage done by The Rona. All at once.

3. So you're right. I do think there's a concerted effort to make this happen.

4. The final reach for a very few...to achieve the ultimate goal...to control the world. When wealth becomes irrelevant what's left for the ambitious to go for? Power.

5. They call the POTUS the most powerful man on Earth. He's not. And it shows in his actions. Has done for a few presidents now. 

`I think you double posted but ok...
1. But why ?  What's the basis for your opinion ?  Like I said Economists themselves are challenged to project an alternate path.  Furthermore, a LOT of them say things are BETTER economically - for the average person than 50 years ago.  I don't have a healthy dog in the fight but you have to back up your opinions or there's nowhere for the discussion to go.
2. Refugees have a negligible effect on the economy as I understand - state your case if you think otherwise but by sheer numbers (ie. small) I can't see how it can be so.
3. Not my opinion.
4. Kind of a version of Marx's theory but... no I don't buy it.  There's no world cabal looking to crush the world that they already control and profit from.  In tact it's the opposite: they do whatever they can to reap profits WHILE propping things up.  
5. He's not as powerful as the investor class but I don't think he would agree with your perspective, since he's a Billionaire with his own Bitcoin that he's making hundreds of millions on.  

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1.  Ok, your opinion is noted.  But there's nothing to discuss in that.
2. Ditto.
3. I didn't suggest that... and don't insult me... I'm not interested in discussing with people who insult me.
4. What's your opinion though ?  Seems like you should be for it...

Mike, you've been arguing in favor of Islam ever since we started. Why?

My opinion is that it doesn't matter who you are, if you actively work against this country (house illegals, vote for left-wingers) then you should either leave willingly or have your citizenship revoked. 

[Michael Hardner]

29 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. Mike, you've been arguing in favor of Islam ever since we started. Why?

2. My opinion is that it doesn't matter who you are, if you actively work against this country (house illegals, vote for left-wingers) then you should either leave willingly or have your citizenship revoked. 

1. WTF does that even mean - "arguing in favour of Islam" ?  I am not Muslim, I am Christian.  i discuss policy.
2. You want to deport people who vote NDP.... okaay...

Your opinions are yours... there's no response to make, I guess other than i disagree.  I think freedom of opinion, freedom of religion and ability to form a political party or vote for one are rights that lead to a more open and better governed society.

But ... you disagree.  All fair...

[herbie]

39 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Mike, you've been arguing in favor of Islam ever since we started. Why?

he extremely simple minded racist would conclude exactly that, Reveals the years of brainwashing to come to such a conclusion and say it our loud.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

`I think you double posted but ok...
1. But why ?  What's the basis for your opinion ?  Like I said Economists themselves are challenged to project an alternate path.  Furthermore, a LOT of them say things are BETTER economically - for the average person than 50 years ago.  I don't have a healthy dog in the fight but you have to back up your opinions or there's nowhere for the discussion to go.
2. Refugees have a negligible effect on the economy as I understand - state your case if you think otherwise but by sheer numbers (ie. small) I can't see how it can be so.
3. Not my opinion.
4. Kind of a version of Marx's theory but... no I don't buy it.  There's no world cabal looking to crush the world that they already control and profit from.  In tact it's the opposite: they do whatever they can to reap profits WHILE propping things up.  
5. He's not as powerful as the investor class but I don't think he would agree with your perspective, since he's a Billionaire with his own Bitcoin that he's making hundreds of millions on.  

1. See this...https://www.canadaaction.ca/oil-gas-emissions-cap-reports-predict-adverse-economic-effects

2. Here's part of your "negligible...https://www.law360.ca/ca/articles/2349244/governments-must-address-the-rising-costs-of-refugee-claims

Costs we don't need or want.

4. You don't have to buy it. They likely already did. the events of recent history paint a rather clear picture. Either someone is engineering this or the human race is completely self-destructive.

5. Ever wonder why Trump is all over the map with Israel and Russia? The government is bought and paid for already.

[Deluge]

36 minutes ago, herbie said:

he extremely simple minded racist would conclude exactly that, Reveals the years of brainwashing to come to such a conclusion and say it our loud.

You're a doormat, so you have no status here. 

[CDN1]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

he extremely simple minded racist would conclude exactly that, Reveals the years of brainwashing to come to such a conclusion and say it our loud.

Brainwashing? lol.

"Diversity is our strength". That slogan is straight out of 1984, has been regurgitated all over the West like a mantra.

Liberal institutions have been pushing insane levels of anti-White guilted propaganda for decades,  targeted at indoctrinating the young as their nations were flooded and their futures stolen.

This is a coup.

Young White men have been robbed of their inheritance, a culture, and sense of identity. They were sold out by traitorous boomers who got theirs, idealistic useful idi0ts, and thrown under a bus by rabid wokewashed White women.

 

 

Edited December 18, 2025 by CDN1

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

1. See this...https://www.canadaaction.ca/oil-gas-emissions-cap-reports-predict-adverse-economic-effects

2. Here's part of your "negligible...https://www.law360.ca/ca/articles/2349244/governments-must-address-the-rising-costs-of-refugee-claims

3. Costs we don't need or want.

4. You don't have to buy it. They likely already did. the events of recent history paint a rather clear picture. Either someone is engineering this or the human race is completely self-destructive.

5. Ever wonder why Trump is all over the map with Israel and Russia? The government is bought and paid for already.

1. That would be ... an institution.  Which you said you don't trust I thought.  It's a partisan non-profit advocacy group funded by Oil Companies Is this to do with Trade ?  It's about Emissions Caps and the impact on ... Canadian Oil Companies.

2. Yes... From the numbers in that article I get a number of %0.3 of our budget for processing asylum seekers.

3. Who is "we" kimosave ?  Based on my income taxes it works out to a little over $100 a year... I think it's money well spent.  We saved many Ukranians, Hungarians, Slavs, and Central Americans if you want to know.

4. I'll go for Door #2 on that one.  In fact, I think we're in a media ecosystem akin to the one that Gutenberg gave us with the printing press... before the 100 years wars happened.

5. Do I wonder ?  Maybe a bit but i don't waste too much time wondering about things I will never know the answer to.  Are you saying Israel and Russia are bribing Trump ?  I guess I wouldn't be THAT surprised.

[Deluge]

51 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. WTF does that even mean - "arguing in favour of Islam" ?  I am not Muslim, I am Christian.  i discuss policy.
2. You want to deport people who vote NDP.... okaay...

Your opinions are yours... there's no response to make, I guess other than i disagree.  I think freedom of opinion, freedom of religion and ability to form a political party or vote for one are rights that lead to a more open and better governed society.

But ... you disagree.  All fair...

That's right, you want a "free society" - freedom to stop traffic, deface buildings and set cars on fire. You want freedom to cross international borders and make up your own f*cking rules. You want the freedom to set up mosques, scream prayer songs into American air, and facilitate illegal immigration into this country. 

You're so desperate to be down the middle that you really don't know what the f*ck you're talking about Mike, but you do sound like an apologist for wrong behaviors. 

[Michael Hardner]

20 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. That's right, you want a "free society" - freedom to stop traffic, deface buildings and set cars on fire.

2. You want freedom to cross international borders and make up your own f*cking rules.

3. You want the freedom to set up mosques, scream prayer songs into American air, and facilitate illegal immigration into this country. 

4. You're so desperate to be down the middle ...

5. that you really don't know what the f*ck you're talking about Mike,

6. but you do sound like an apologist for wrong behaviors. 

1. Yes, yes, no, no.
2. No.
3. Yes, yes, no.
4. No.
5. No.
6. No.

I guess you're not going to answer my answer about deporting NDP voters are you ?

You don't think I know what I'm talking about, but you're not answering my questions... also getting a little angry with me.  All I'm trying to do is understand you.  Maybe we can take a little break, then.  Things are getting overheated.

Have a day.

[WestCanMan]

21 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Any people who come here can commit murder.  Studies show that domestics are worse in some measures.

Again, that's your own weak, flawed perception of the world. 

We have how many terrorist attacks in Canada from these populations:

1. latinos
2. blacks
3. Chinese
4. Hindus
5. Ukrainians
6. Philippinos
7. Catholics
8. Russians
9. Sikhs
10. Koreans
11. Vietnamese
12. Japanese

Does that list have 1.5M people on it?

Probably closer to 15M.

Do they have 30 terrorists among them in the last 25 years?

Probably zero. I don't know of a single one.

Ten times as many people, but zero terrorist attacks compared to 30.

Let's pretend that they have 1, so that it's not a division by zero equation... ten x as many people with 1/30th the number of terrorists would = 1/300th the incidence of terrorists in their populations.

But it's not even 1/300th the rate, it is infinitesimally smaller than that. 

We don't spend 50 bucks a year on preventing Mexican terrorism. 

We don't even spend 50 bucks a year on preventing black terrorism, and our MSM tells blacks that white people hate them all the time. 

When was the last time you looked around to see how many blacks there were in the airport before you got on a plane? 

 

MH, you're no different from a Nazi supporter. 

When Hitler was rising to power, and people all around Mike Himmdler back in 1935 were telling him about the warning signs that were all around, Herr MH was saying:

• But Hitler enacted gun-control legislation to keep us safe from each other!
• Hitler created the Health Passport, aka gesundheitspass, that keeps us safe from covid and the other diseases carried by the racists and misogynists!
• Hitler controls the flow of disinformation by burning bad books and by kicking people off the internet for saying "BSL4 lab" or "Hunter Laptop"!
• We finally have a leader with full control of the CBC and all of the other German media outlets, to make sure that we only hear the truth!
• We finally have a leader who isn't afraid to have peaceful protesters beaten down in the streets!
• We finally have a leader who allows hate rallies on the streets of Ottawa and Berlin!

Honestly, the next time you shake your head while thinking about "how people got caught up following Hitler", look in your f'ing mirror, MH. "Ignoring blatant f'ing warning signs" is your superpower.

Edited December 18, 2025 by WestCanMan

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Again, that's your own weak, flawed perception of the world. 

 

First of all, how can a perception be weak? It can be flawed or wrong. 

Secondly, I was talking about a study. That's not my perception. That's a study, an ostensibly objective investigation and fact-finding initiative. Not my perspective 

Thirdly, I called off this conversation because I said I didn't think I could follow this line of thinking... Wherein you framed attacks on Muslims as being somehow provoked by their culture or whatever. 

I just don't think that's a healthy point of view and I don't want to build on that point any further. 

Your perceptions are yours, but if you think that way I don't think we can come to any understanding on how the world is.

[Legato]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

First of all, how can a perception be weak? It can be flawed or wrong. 

 

A weak perception refers to difficulties interpreting sensory information.

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

First of all, how can a perception be weak? It can be flawed or wrong. 

 

This is what people talk about when they say you're being dishonest. People refer to having a weak perception of something all the time. Just like they refer to having weak eyesight, or a weak vision.

[ironstone]

Well, a certain group of people didn't wait very long before trying to do it again.

4 days after Bondi Beach attack, Australian police conduct dramatic operation as intel suggests possible new plot

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bondi-beach-shooting-australia-police-liverpool-sydney-raid-possible-violent-plot/

 

 

Edited December 18, 2025 by ironstone

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

A weak perception refers to difficulties interpreting sensory information.

I suppose so.... Like the equivalent of bad eyesight? 

 

Ok, yes, that actually makes sense...

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I suppose so.... Like the equivalent of bad eyesight? 

 

Ok, yes, that actually makes sense...

You are so dishonest it isn't even funny

[Michael Hardner]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You are so dishonest it isn't even funny

Why?   I can't figure out why you keep saying this...