Imported Muslim terrorist offs 11 Jews celebrating the first day of Hanukkah.

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I refuted your claims about PEW.  At that point you started throwing personal comments...

All done now, bye.

 

But you did not, you just made opinionated assertions... like always.

At that point you moved into obfuscation mode...like always

 

[ironstone]

What sort of things might certain Imam's be saying in Australian mosques? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CatXhkASlU

It helps explain where at least part of the radicalization process is taking place.

 

[Legato]

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BREAKING: German police have prevented yet another mass terror attack against a Christmas market, this time targeting "large crowds" in the city of Magdeburg. A 21-year-old from Central Asia has been arrested on suspicion of an Islamist-motivated terror attack. This is the same city from last year's deadly Magdeburg Christmas market attack, which saw Saudi Arabian Taleb al-Abdulmohsen plow his vehicle into a Christmas market, killing 6 and wounding hundreds. The German Interior Ministry announced the arrest was made "to prevent the execution of the attack plans he expressed against large crowds." A deportation order has now been launched: "A deportation order may be issued by the Ministry against a foreigner based on a factual prognosis to avert a particular threat to the security of the Federal Republic of Germany or a terrorist threat.“ This news also comes after a Christmas market terror attack was just foiled in Lower Bavaria involving 5 foreigners, also with an Islamist motivation.

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Stop making personal comments.  We started with different parameters to analyze the problem, that's it.  I'm not going to go back to do research on "threats" against Muslims.  Not enough time.  I could go back to you and call you names and say you ignored Murders and missed the impact of the Quebec shootings but I am being respectful here and taking your arguments as honest.

Mike, you're being completely disingenuous by suggesting that muslims must be worried about how people are treating them "just because there was a mosque shooting". There was a mosque shooting as a response to all the mosque-people who were going around killing people. 

You're putting the cart further ahead of the horse than anyone else in the history of the earth.

1. we brought them in from the conflict zones that their own cultures created
2. we gave them food
3. we gave them shelter
4. we gave them medical treatment
5. we gave them spending money
6. we gave them phones and paid the bill
7. we educate their children
8. we provide them safe neighbourhoods to live in
9. we put up with their mistreatment of women
10. we put up with their crimes
11. we put up with their hate rallies
12. we put up with their lack of contribution to society
13. we put up with the MASSIVE security costs of having them in our country
14. then they kill us
15. then they kill us again
16. then they kill us again
17. then they kill us again
18. Then one of us kills some of them, and you come up with: "Awwww, they must be really worried about how mean we are to them". 

Honest to God, Mike, that's just epic retardation you're spewing. 

Their culture sucks. They make hood-rats look like Mary Poppins. 

[ironstone]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Ok please post the data.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/cologne-is-every-day-europes-rape-epidemic/news-story/e2e618e17ad4400b5ed65045e65e141d                                                           This is some data for the UK.   https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/p/over-100000-foreign-national-convictions

Headline figures

104,000 foreign national convictions took place between 2021 and 2023.

This includes 38,413 for crime relating to violence, sexual assault, drugs and theft.

Foreign nationals were convicted for sexual offences a rate 71% higher than that of the British population, 69% for drug-related crime, 25% for theft, and at 39% for all crime types.

The top five nationalities by conviction per 10,000 were: Albania, Moldova, Congo, Namibia, and Somalia.

For sexual offences the top five nationalities were: Afghanistan, Eritrea, Namibia, Chad, and Moldova.

There were 87 nationalities with a higher conviction rate for sexual offences than the British population. In 2024, these nationalities were awarded 557,041 long-term visas by the Home Office.

Edited December 17, 2025 by ironstone

[WestCanMan]

13 minutes ago, Legato said:

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BREAKING: German police have prevented yet another mass terror attack against a Christmas market, this time targeting "large crowds" in the city of Magdeburg. A 21-year-old from Central Asia has been arrested on suspicion of an Islamist-motivated terror attack. This is the same city from last year's deadly Magdeburg Christmas market attack, which saw Saudi Arabian Taleb al-Abdulmohsen plow his vehicle into a Christmas market, killing 6 and wounding hundreds. The German Interior Ministry announced the arrest was made "to prevent the execution of the attack plans he expressed against large crowds." A deportation order has now been launched: "A deportation order may be issued by the Ministry against a foreigner based on a factual prognosis to avert a particular threat to the security of the Federal Republic of Germany or a terrorist threat.“ This news also comes after a Christmas market terror attack was just foiled in Lower Bavaria involving 5 foreigners, also with an Islamist motivation.

Public execution. Let's go. I'll pay my own way over there and do it for 1 free beer. 

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

1. The crusades were hundreds of years ago, and there hasn't been a crusade since. Now, explain how the crusades was terrorism, because it sounds like that is exactly where you are going. Or are you just trying to say that Saladin and the rest of the Islamics were the good guys. 

2. Catholicism and the Boy Scouts don't have terrorist arms - Islam does. 

1. I'm not claiming equivalence, I'm showing how wide statements like this are flawed.

2. But there is still a wrongdoing by a small minority attributed to the whole.  I'm talking meta here.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

 5. It depends on who you import.

Any people who come here can commit murder.  Studies show that domestics are worse in some measures.

That means across the board judgments are flawed, if you are using them to set policy.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Mike, you're being completely disingenuous by suggesting that muslims must be worried about how people are treating them "just because there was a mosque shooting". There was a mosque shooting as a response to all the mosque-people who were going around killing people. 

 

Stopping right there.  This really reads like the innocent people who died had it coming. Sorry.

That mentality is what drives terrorists to kill innocent people also.

I think that we can't get past this point.

I'm just not a warrior.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Stopping right there.  This really reads like the innocent people who died had it coming. Sorry.

That mentality is what drives terrorists to kill innocent people also.

I think that we can't get past this point.

I'm just not a warrior.

The fact of the matter remains that if their people weren't constantly committing terrorist attacks, the mosque attack never would have happened. Do you understand that? 

By your logic, the Israelis shouldn't have attacked Hamas after Oct 7th. 

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

1. The fact of the matter remains that if their people weren't constantly committing terrorist attacks, the mosque attack never would have happened. Do you understand that? 

2. By your logic, the Israelis shouldn't have attacked Hamas after Oct 7th. 

1. I feel that this is a blame-the-victim type of framing. 

2. By your framing, if the Jews didn't subjugate Gaza, the attack wouldn't have happened.

I don't think that I can follow this line of discussion.

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I feel that this is a blame-the-victim type of framing. 

2. By your framing, if the Jews didn't subjugate Gaza, the attack wouldn't have happened.

I don't think that I can follow this line of discussion.

1) The fact remains that it is a "Blame the constant terrorist attacks" type of framing.

I wouldn't be part of that group. 

2) The Jews didn't subjugate Gaza, so there's that.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Any people who come here can commit murder.  Studies show that domestics are worse in some measures.

That means across the board judgments are flawed, if you are using them to set policy.

Its not a good idea to import more crime.

[West]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Its not a good idea to import more crime.

Not to mention skyrocketed housing prices, overcrowded hospitals, our kids not being allowed to get a full education in English, etc etc. And people of Christian and Jewish faith having to watch their backs so they dont get shot or suicide bombed. 

So sad

[Michael Hardner]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Its not a good idea to import more crime.

You can't import people and guarantee no crime.

[User]

58 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You can't import people and guarantee no crime.

You can choose not to import many people; those you do import should be vetted. Don't let people in with ties to ISIS or who have shown support for terrorism or those causes... stop or severely limit immigration from known hostile states with a lot of terrorism or higher risk of it... don't stop monitoring people who were initially considered a concern... 

The authorities had these two on their radar from 2019... and then dismissed them... then they went to the Philippines, where they likely got training with terrorists. 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

You can't import people and guarantee no crime.

You can severely reduce the odds

[West]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Any people who come here can commit murder.  Studies show that domestics are worse in some measures.

That means across the board judgments are flawed, if you are using them to set policy.

While murder is bad, targeting something like a religious celebration or house of worship makes it worse as it instills fear in many more people 

[Michael Hardner]

5 hours ago, West said:

While murder is bad, targeting something like a religious celebration or house of worship makes it worse as it instills fear in many more people 

Yes, the response is understandable.  But people need to understand that a murder committed by a foreigner (as opposed to terrorism) doesn't say anything about the people.  Leaders who trump up such crimes are doing it to gain political attention, IMO.

[gatomontes99]

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The fact of the matter remains that if their people weren't constantly committing terrorist attacks, the mosque attack never would have happened. Do you understand that? 

By your logic, the Israelis shouldn't have attacked Hamas after Oct 7th. 

He literally believes the response to Oct 7th was unwarranted. The left is batshit crazy. 

[CDN1]

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Any people who come here can commit murder.  Studies show that domestics are worse in some measures.

That means across the board judgments are flawed, if you are using them to set policy.

Quit coping. Black Canadians commit murders & gun crimes at obscene per capita rates. Now we're importing them in mass into all of our major cities.

Look at the United States. Black Americans commit 80-90% + of the gun crime and murders in all of their major cities. What do you think Chicago, St Louis, New Orleans, Washington D.C., Memphis, Baltimore, Cleveland, Philadelphia, etc. all have in common? The homicide rates significantly correlate with their population %.

Canada's Black population % will surpass America's in the next 30-50 years at the current pace. We know where this is headed.

Edited December 18, 2025 by CDN1

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yes, the response is understandable.  But people need to understand that a murder committed by a foreigner (as opposed to terrorism) doesn't say anything about the people.  Leaders who trump up such crimes are doing it to gain political attention, IMO.

Of course it's political. The former leaders of the nation just finished flooding the nation with foreigners. In Canada we're still doing it. Most people know that's a bad idea. Which brings us to the real question...WHY?

Do you really buy the excuse that we need them? Did Europe need them? The short answer is "no". So why? Why flood the western world with people who historically dont like us much?

Well...the results have been abominable. So let's figure this out.

In the last 30 years our leaders have lead us to where we are now. We gutted our manufacturing sector. We attacked the Arab world. We opened our borders to millions of thoses we just attacked. We actively prohibited the use of our primary source of energy. We threatened Russia and pushed them into attacking Ukraine. We financed Ukraine. Now we're broke. Teetering on bankruptcy. The public is split and now we have internal conflict.

Gee...it sort o' looks like someone wants to break the back of the western world. To create chaos. Why?

If your goal is centralized world government, you might wanna engineer the strife we have now, then suddenly appear with a solution that eases the impending doom and allow the great full masses to demand you take over.

Absolute global dominance. 

[Nationalist]

17 minutes ago, CDN1 said:

Quit coping. Black Canadians commit murders & gun crimes at obscene per capita rates. Now we're importing them in mass into all of our major cities.

Look at the United States. Black Americans commit 80-90% + of the gun crime and murders in all of their major cities. What do you think Chicago, St Louis, New Orleans, Washington D.C., Memphis, Baltimore, Cleveland, Philadelphia, etc. all have in common? The homicide rates significantly correlate with their population %.

Canada's Black population % will surpass America's in the next 30-50 years at the current pace. We know where this is headed.

Indeed.

And if we are not willing to re-work the welfare system, it's gonna get worse.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, CDN1 said:

1. Quit coping.

2. Black Canadians commit murders & gun crimes at obscene per capita rates. Now we're importing them in mass into all of our major cities. Look at the United States. Black Americans commit 80-90% + of the gun crime and murders in all of their major cities. What do you think Chicago, St Louis, New Orleans, Washington D.C., Memphis, Baltimore, Cleveland, Philadelphia, etc. all have in common? The homicide rates significantly correlate with their population %.

3. Canada's Black population % will surpass America's in the next 30-50 years at the current pace. We know where this is headed.

1.  Coping ?
2. Yes, ok.  Well that's consistent.  Stop Black people from coming to Canada ?  Check.
3. What are you proposing ?

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

1. Of course it's political. The former leaders of the nation just finished flooding the nation with foreigners. In Canada we're still doing it. Most people know that's a bad idea. Which brings us to the real question...WHY?

2. Do you really buy the excuse that we need them? Did Europe need them? The short answer is "no". So why? Why flood the western world with people who historically dont like us much?

3. Well...the results have been abominable. So let's figure this out.

4. In the last 30 years our leaders have lead us to where we are now. We gutted our manufacturing sector.

5. We attacked the Arab world. We opened our borders to millions of thoses we just attacked.

6. We actively prohibited the use of our primary source of energy. We threatened Russia and pushed them into attacking Ukraine. We financed Ukraine. Now we're broke. Teetering on bankruptcy. The public is split and now we have internal conflict.

7. Gee...it sort o' looks like someone wants to break the back of the western world. To create chaos. Why?

8. If your goal is centralized world government, you might wanna engineer the strife we have now, then suddenly appear with a solution that eases the impending doom and allow the great full masses to demand you take over.

Absolute global dominance. 

1. Economic reasons, period.  Whether or not that's a good approach is a separate question.
2. What is the alternative reason ?
3. Are you able to project what Canada's economy would have been like without the population growth of this century ?  Because even a great economist would have trouble with that.
4. Manufacturing sector was gutted on purpose.  The trade off was higher exports (Western Canada) growth in services, etc. etc.  If you are an unskilled wage earner supporting a household, though, your prospects are far worse than 2 generations ago.
5. I can't think of an Arab nation we attacked.  Afghanistan isn't Arab and we weren't part of Iraq 2003.  I don't think we got many Iraqis either.  If you're talking about refugees then that's humanitarian, not economic.
6. You have a laundry list of complaints.  Basically you're critical of the Liberal government policies and believe me I get that.  Our debt is not much different than US debt federally.
7. 8.  All I can conclude from this is that you think there's some secret conspiracy.  There's no such thing.  Governments world-wide are in trouble, including the USA which has elected the most right-wing president in memory and they're not doing very well either.
 
Anyway, yes things are bad... but we have followed a laissez-faire neoliberal economic plan for almost 50 years so maybe that needs to be looked at a little more ?  Just saying.

In my day, business had to do well or fail.  The government set the table so that the spoils of the economy helped the country overall.  We have predatory combines today that control wages and prices to the point where folks struggle even though we are overall far wealthier than when I was a youth in 1970.