Imported Muslim terrorist offs 11 Jews celebrating the first day of Hanukkah.

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

That's entirely false, and based on your own extremely poor understanding of how meaningful statistics are derived and how they are used.

FYI the sub-group of "people willing to commit mass atrocities" within each group of people is usually minuscule. Ie, they are massive outliers. Ie, they occur in about the 6th or 7th standard deviation. Think, "way less than one in 10 million."

Aside from the Canadian who retaliated against the muslim terrorist attacks, and some "non-muslims from muslim families" lol, can you think of a Canadian terrorist that killed a bunch of people indiscriminately since 1990? Was Polytechnique the only one?

MH: we don't have ten million muslims here, but we've had way more than one muslim terrorist attack since 2000. Get it? That means that terrorists aren't 1 per 10M. They're not from the 6th or 7th standard of deviation. That's math, MH, and math is what we use to determine patterns among groups of people. 

We've actually had 29 muslims that committed or attempted terrorist attacks since then, plus how many other people knew about them but said nothing? How many people were invited to participate with the gang of 18? If it's just 21 more, then the number of actual terrorists is 40 per 1.5M, that's 1 per 40,000. That's 4th standard of deviation territory. 

If white people were committing terrorist attacks at the same rate we'd have had about ten terrorist attacks in each city of 500,000, since 1990. How many memorable terrorist attacks did white people commit here since 1990?

Sikhs: half as many people, one terrorist attack since confederation.

Buddhists, Hindus, Taoists, Jews, and other minority religions: zero. 

20+Million Christians: A couple of small, one-shot terrorist attacks with no fatalities (anti-abortion), a retaliatory attack at a mosque, and possibly one car that hit 4 pedestrians. 

You know what the deal is MH, you're just a liar. 

No they do not, because if they did, they'd be stoning them to death, dropping them off of buildings, lynching them, burning them to death, chopping them up with machetes, etc. 

You're talking about Canada, a Christian majority country, where gays are not killed at all. Like, zero in my lifetime. Compare that to muslim-majority countries, not a country like this where they can't get away with it. In Afghanistan gays are killed horribly, but men who are open about the fact that the have sex with boys hold prominent positions.

Stop pretending MH. We aren't as dumb as you're pretending to be, you evil POS.  

We had a mosque shooting in Quebec.  Now cite your 29.

We're talking about people here, and whether Muslims are redeemable or even human.  So, yes, the attitudes of PEOPLE are critical and yes devout Christians are LESS receptive to LGBTQ rights in several areas.

But first things first: you called me a LIAR.

Why would anyone continue a reasonable discussion with a liar?

If you want to continue to discuss with me, start by taking that back, retracting it.  That way we can be sure neither one of us is wasting our time.

[Michael Hardner]

5 hours ago, Goddess said:

Those are pretty bad things in a culture, don't you think?

Yes absolutely.

The question is whether they're redeemable and even human.

People are saying that I enjoy innocent death and I am a LIAR because I dare suggest that.

They're giving in to the pull of tribal war...

 

5 hours ago, Goddess said:

Do you think when we ask them if they want to kill Jews, they maybe know the correct answer is "No"?

That's not a question they're asked in the polls I am citing.  It's more like "Who do you support?" "What are your opinions on...?"

Edited December 15, 2025 by Michael Hardner

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

1. As a Christian I can unequivocally deny such claims. 

 

2. Besides that, name one christian nation that kills gays. 

 

3.  Brunei Brunei.  Etc.

... What ever poll you think you have is bullshit. Many Muslim nations allow for stoning of gay men. You can not name one Christian nation woth any such penalty. You probably can't even find a single country with so much as a small fine or a wagging finger. 

4. Your bigotry and ignorance is on full display. 

 

 

1. As a Christian you can declare a poll to be false?  Look I just showed you evidence.

2. I'm sure I could find one, but that also wouldn't say anything significant about Christianity.

3. Muslim nations and centres of power are the last to change to progressivity no doubt.  That doesn't mean Muslims are inhuman.

4. I just showed evidence which you have ignored, and you call me ignorant?  Please retract your insult, otherwise there's no point in us talking.

 

[Michael Hardner]

So far we have Gato, CdnFox and WestCan who are unable to proceed with a discussion on the topic without attacking me personally.  For the record.

[John Stone]

July / 2025 / THE NIGHTLY / Australian News

[The Australian Government has joined a global joint statement to end war in Gaza, a move Israel’s ambassador to Australia warns is “disconnected from reality”.

In a statement welcomed by terrorist organisation Hamas, Australia joined 27 other countries, including Five Eyes partners the UK, New Zealand and Canada, to call for urgent end to the war in Gaza, where the suffering of civilians had “reached new depths.”

“The Israeli government’s aid delivery model is dangerous, fuels instability and deprives Gazans of human dignity,” it said.]

 

So much for the theory that they'll eat you last if you condemn Israel - Israel lives in the real world, an existential world - not the political when it comes to their very existence. 

Have to wonder what degree of support the good people of Australia will provide now - dare I say that this incident will harden their hearts. 

Ironically it is pure manna for Israel - specifically Netanyahu

Suppose it should be mentioned that only a fool believes that World events will not, or could not, upset their sense of complacency. 

[Barquentine]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

So far we have Gato, CdnFox and WestCan who are unable to proceed with a discussion on the topic without attacking me personally.

I am shocked!

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

As a Christian you can declare a poll to be false?  Look I just showed you evidence.

You did not show me any evidence. The only poll I see you posted was about assimilation. And, yes, I can declare a poll false if it says Christians want to kill gays because, as a Christian, I know that is not a prevailing factor. 

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm sure I could find one, but that also wouldn't say anything significant about Christianity.

You can't find something that doesn't not exist. 

 

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Muslim nations and centres of power are the last to change to progressivity no doubt.  That doesn't mean Muslims are inhuman.

No one said they are inhuman. I said western and Muslim cultures cannot coexist in the same country without one or the other assimilating. The fact that you have to keep changing my argument to make your emotion based pleas exposes that your thesis is without merit. It also exposes that you harbor biases that skew your view of reality. Aka, bigotry.

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I just showed evidence which you have ignored, and you call me ignorant?  Please retract your insult, otherwise there's no point in us talking.

I am not retracting anything because you've shown nothing. I said the two cultures could not exist unless one or the other assimilated. The only poll you've posted supports my assertion. 

However, I called you ignorant because you hold this bigoted belief that Christians hate gays. Yet, 34% of gays are Christian (Pew). They would not go to church if the people there hated them. And you won't even acknowledge that a significant number of Muslim countries allow gays to be killed and they use Sharia law as the basis for those killings. The same Sharia law that some Muslims want to establish here. 

My point is, and always has been, that those beliefs and western values cannot coexist. You are burying your head in the sand and ignoring that these two sets of beliefs are incapable. 

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

So far we have Gato, CdnFox and WestCan who are unable to proceed with a discussion on the topic without attacking me personally.  For the record.

Calling you ignorant and bigoted was based on what you said. If you are going to be butt hurt because I called you out for your actual beliefs, then I suggest you do a better job of hiding said beliefs. 

 

[Nationalist]

@Michael Hardner

Mike, would you invite a man who hates your way of life, into your home? A man who thinks your wife is sub-human, your daughter is nothing more than a servant and a baby-making machine, has every intention on taking your home away from you. I seriously doubt you would.

No Christian morals direct us to poison the sanctity of our homes and families.

Edited December 15, 2025 by Nationalist

[West]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Of course they're not equivalent.  But claims are made here that they're essentially inhuman.  A thinking person needs to realize that such claims are false.

2. There's no doubting the tribal animosity between these groups, yes.  The point is to not participate in it.  

If you look at the Pew polling US Muslims see Hamas negatively and do not, on the whole, side exclusively with the Palestinians.

And?  No one is taking about sanctions for Americans with Nazi views 

 

Ok... so 16% of Muslims have no problem offing the Jews on a beach in Australia. 

 

Evidently thats roughly the same population as the United States or 10x the population of Canada. And you want to import them here?

[John Stone]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

So far we have Gato, CdnFox and WestCan who are unable to proceed with a discussion on the topic without attacking me personally.  For the record.

bragging or complaining?  lol

[John Stone]

............. on the other hand without Islam we'd be left without corner stores?

If ya really want to get their ire tho - use humor, it kills them .......... course it can kill you too, just ask Charlie Hebdo

[Radiorum]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

I can declare a poll false if it says Christians want to kill gays

Quote from a sermon given by a Baptist minister in the USA:

"There's nothing good to be proud about being a (slur). You ought to blow yourself in the head in the back of the head. You're so disgusting,"

When questioned about it, the church doubled down:

"The Bible is crystal clear that sodomites — homosexuals — deserve the death penalty carried out by a government that actually cares about the law of God,"

 

This is not new. Here is another quote from a Baptist minister in 2022:

"This is why we need to put these people (homosexuals) to death through the proper channels of the government. ... These people are not normal. They’re not your average everyday sinners. ... They have no hope of salvation."

 

 

[John Stone]

9 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Quote from a sermon given by a Baptist minister in the USA:

"There's nothing good to be proud about being a (slur). You ought to blow yourself in the head in the back of the head. You're so disgusting,"

When questioned about it, the church doubled down:

"The Bible is crystal clear that sodomites — homosexuals — deserve the death penalty carried out by a government that actually cares about the law of God,"

 

This is not new. Here is another quote from a Baptist minister in 2022:

"This is why we need to put these people (homosexuals) to death through the proper channels of the government. ... These people are not normal. They’re not your average everyday sinners. ... They have no hope of salvation."

 

 

Tell people what they want to hear and they will follow you. 

Personally, it does seem unnatural for any male to reject the pink stuff. 

[Deluge]

20 hours ago, West said:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-encourages-jewish-americans-celebrate-proudly-during-hanukkah-after-deadly-bondi-beach-shooting

Can we now please implement a Muslim ban? 

I never wanted them here in the first place. It's like inviting wild animals to live in your home. 

[Goddess]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The question is whether they're redeemable and even human.

They are human, of course.

I think you underestimate the power of religious belief and fervor.

 

[User]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

So far we have Gato, CdnFox and WestCan who are unable to proceed with a discussion on the topic without attacking me personally.  For the record.

For the record, even when folks like me don’t attack you personally, you don’t proceed with many discussions once your points start getting criticized. 

[Legato]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

This is just stuff you think.  No cites 

Last PEW survey I found shows the opposite.

More assimilation, 16% with few Muslim friends, 13% married to other faiths etc.

 

Why do you always defend the indefensible with half truths and non tangible innuendo.

The majority of Muslims want anyone not of their faith murderous ideology converted or dead.

11 hours ago, robosmith said:

^DRIVEL.

Past theft of Palestinian land and Israeli insistence on stealing MORE is the cause of the violence today.

If someone tried to steal your home, you'd be fighting mad, too.

More horse puckey's.

[Legato]

11 hours ago, robosmith said:

^DRIVEL.

Past theft of Palestinian land and Israeli insistence on stealing MORE is the cause of the violence today.

If someone tried to steal your home, you'd be fighting mad, too.

That land has always belonged to the Israelis so your feeble attempt at a point is moot.

[CDN1]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

There is a totally justified saying: "there are no illegals on stolen land."

The difference is that the theft of land in America is 200 years old, and in Israel, it is mostly only 70 yo and occurred under modern rules like the Geneva Conventions.

Land claims lose value as time passes and the Israeli claims are more like 2000 years old.

And Europe?

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

Quote from a sermon given by a Baptist minister in the USA:

"There's nothing good to be proud about being a (slur). You ought to blow yourself in the head in the back of the head. You're so disgusting,"

When questioned about it, the church doubled down:

"The Bible is crystal clear that sodomites — homosexuals — deserve the death penalty carried out by a government that actually cares about the law of God,"

 

This is not new. Here is another quote from a Baptist minister in 2022:

"This is why we need to put these people (homosexuals) to death through the proper channels of the government. ... These people are not normal. They’re not your average everyday sinners. ... They have no hope of salvation."

 

 

Why do you think the community is shocked and outraged? Because that is not an opinion anyone holds besides that one guy. You have proven my point. 

[Legato]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

So far we have Gato, CdnFox and WestCan who are unable to proceed with a discussion on the topic without attacking me personally.  For the record.

You forgot me.

You don't discuss you make unjustifiable assertions and the expect someone to agree.

If they don't the chud label gets brandished or the "why are we talking about this" accusation.

You couldn't debate your way out of wet paper bag.

For the record.

[CDN1]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

 

2. There's no doubting the tribal animosity between these groups, yes.  The point is to not participate in it.  

 

 

Asking White people to unilaterally disarm, while every other ethnic group is permitted to organize, advocate for their own interests, and allowed to be tribal is effectively a call for suicide.

 

Edited December 15, 2025 by CDN1

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

If it was, the problem would clearly be much worse given their proclivity for violence. 

Why are you such a liar and weasel, dude?

There's literally no topic in this forum where I've ever seen you make an intelligent, legitimate point. 

What is your background? Were you born in Canada or what country did you move here from? What is your religion? 

[Goddess]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

That's not a question they're asked in the polls I am citing.  It's more like "Who do you support?" "What are your opinions on...?"

Do you think they are going to know not to say "I support Hamas." or "I support ISIS."

Do you think they know not to say their opinion is that women should be covered at all times and they agree with honor killings and that violent jihad is justified?

Other polls, like the ones from the UK, show the majority of Muslims want Sharia Law and Sharia courts in the UK.  Is Sharia Law compatible with Western Law?

[Legato]

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Do you think they are going to know not to say "I support Hamas." or "I support ISIS."

Do you think they know not to say their opinion is that women should be covered at all times and they agree with honor killings and that violent jihad is justified?

Other polls, like the ones from the UK, show the majority of Muslims want Sharia Law and Sharia courts in the UK.  Is Sharia Law compatible with Western Law?

There are over 80 sharia law councils in the UK.