Imported Muslim terrorist offs 11 Jews celebrating the first day of Hanukkah.

[ironstone]

39 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Probably has something to do with Israelis/settlers committing genocide against Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the West Bank.

There is no genocide in Gaza or the West Bank. And even if there were, that is no excuse for slaughtering innocent Jews  in Australia or any other part of the world. 

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

  You can't take two cultures that have diametrically opposed views and love in harmony.

Muslims are humans and they assimilate fine.  Saying that they're unlike every other culture is saying that they're not human.

[ironstone]

16 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

We don't ban religions.  It's not going to stop anything.

The West is very tolerant of all religions. Islam isn't all that tolerant of other religions and the West in general.

How many Islamic terrorist attacks have there been in Poland?

[gatomontes99]

10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Muslims are humans and they assimilate fine.  Saying that they're unlike every other culture is saying that they're not human.

In your culture, do you make women dress like black ghosts and ride in the back of cars only woth their relatives or husbands and forbid them to go out in public without a male escort? does your culture blame women for being raped and kill them to protect their honor?

In your culture, do you throw gays off of buildings and kill anyone that won't profess their allegiance to your god? 

Maybe in your culture you think preteen children should be suicide bombers and that killing Jews is a sport like rabbit hunting. There is no season or limit and the more the better.

You cannot say their culture is the same. You just can't. If you do, you live in a fantasy world that will come crashing down when reality sets in. 

[Michael Hardner]

18 minutes ago, ironstone said:

1. Islam isn't all that tolerant of other religions and the West in general.

2. How many Islamic terrorist attacks have there been in Poland?

1. Islamic countries you mean. That Seems like you're saying it's a bad thing. So we shouldn't do that?

2. No idea. How many attacks against Muslims in Canada?

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

In your culture, do you make women dress like black ghosts and ride in the back of cars only woth their relatives or husbands and forbid them to go out in public without a male escort? does your culture blame women for being raped and kill them to protect their honor?

In your culture, do you throw gays off of buildings and kill anyone that won't profess their allegiance to your god? 

Maybe in your culture you think preteen children should be suicide bombers and that killing Jews is a sport like rabbit hunting. There is no season or limit and the more the better.

You cannot say their culture is the same. You just can't. If you do, you live in a fantasy world that will come crashing down when reality sets in. 

Maybe the ones who come here don't agree with that so much.

No culture is the same as another.

You picking out the worst things of their culture doesn't result in a principled rationale to ban a religion.

[gatomontes99]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

Maybe the ones who come here don't agree with that so much.

I guess "maybe" is ok if you aren't Jewish, female or gay. 

 

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

No culture is the same as another.

You picking out the worst things of their culture doesn't result in a principled rationale to ban a religion.

My point is that they are not the same and that those bad things become points of friction when assimilation does not happen. So the choice is, throw dome gays off a roof and mow down some Jews with an AK or prevent those people from entering your society until they  an show they will abide by cultural norms. 

That does not mean converting to born again Christian and going full Ned Flanderz. But it does mean they have to respect western values. 

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

1. I guess "maybe" is ok if you aren't Jewish, female or gay. 

 

2. My point is that they are not the same and that those bad things become points of friction when assimilation does not happen.

3. So the choice is, throw dome gays off a roof and mow down some Jews with an AK or prevent those people from entering your society until they  an show they will abide by cultural norms. 

4. That does not mean converting to born again Christian and going full Ned Flanderz. But it does mean they have to respect western values. 

1. Evangelicals have more negative views of gay issues, and we don't talk about deporting them. Do we? Actually they have more influence.

2. Moot point. Assimilation happens. 

3. False choice. 

4. Converting to born-again Christian would make them, ostensibly, exactly what you don't want. It seems to me.

 

[TreeBeard]

Most mass shooters are from America.   Using the logic of the OP (and others here), we should really be banning Americans.  

So….  we banning Americans? 
 

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10435045/

An Analysis of Motivating Factors in 1,725 Worldwide Cases of Mass Murder Between 1900–2019

 

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

Evangelicals have more negative views of gay issues, and we don't talk about deporting them. Do we?

I would be open to it.  

Edited December 15, 2025 by TreeBeard

[gatomontes99]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Evangelicals have more negative views of gay issues, and we don't talk about deporting them. Do we? Actually they have more influence.

Evangelicals are throwing gays off of roofs? You got something to back that up?

 

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Moot point. Assimilation happens.

They went Jew hunting. That is not assimilation. 

 

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

False choice. 

It is not a False choice to get rid of the friction. You either become a Muslim and do Muslim things or they become a westerner and do westerner things. There is no middle ground without friction. Friction means people die. 

 

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Converting to born-again Christian would make them, ostensibly, exactly what you don't want. It seems to me.

Seeing as how I am one, I don't think so. 

[gatomontes99]

6 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Most mass shooters are from America.  

Flawed numbers. The US calls murder suicide a mass shooter event, in some states. If a wife kills her husband and then kills her self, that meets the definition of multiple deaths/injuries caused by one shooter. Canada requires 4 or more (other than the shooter) to be a mass shooting. 

[Venandi]

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

you think less gun control helps?

you think more gun control helps?

[Michael Hardner]

22 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

1. Evangelicals are throwing gays off of roofs? You got something to back that up?

2.Seeing as how I am one, I don't think so. 

1. Individual incidents and anecdotes don't figure.  I have polling on specific questions about policies.

2. Evangelicals have similar attitudes towards the gay as Muslims do.

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, West said:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-encourages-jewish-americans-celebrate-proudly-during-hanukkah-after-deadly-bondi-beach-shooting

Can we now please implement a Muslim ban? 

This is what happens when muslims get to 1% of the population - they commit enough acts of violent religious bigotry that other religions no longer feel safe to gather and celebrate.

For example, in German they have so many muslims that they can't afford the cost of security to hold all of their Christmas festivals. 

 

If I ran this country, the cost of security for Christmas festivals would be zero dollars, but the cost of committing a terrorist attack at one would be incalculable. Think "so high for the entire group that was responsible for committing the murder that it would be impossible to share the idea of committing a terrorist attack among 2 people without getting turned in to the authorities." 

If that sounds insane, just remember that we had a group of 18 terrorists here involved in one plot. IOW, there is a community in this country that's so F'd up that you can share the idea of something insane as a wave of terrorist attacks among either:

1. several dozen of them without feeling like someone's gonna rat you out, or
2. 18 of them and know that you will get 100% support from all of them.

I mean, what happened? Did they have to ask 100 people in order to find a group of 18 that wanted to massacre Canadians indiscriminately, without fear of being ratted out, or did they just ask 18, knowing that they'd all say yes?

Now, in the end, they got so many people involved that someone finally did turn them in, but that was A LOT OF F'ING PEOPLE.

How many people do you know that you could approach with a plan like "Let's just murder as many people as we can" who would say yes, or at least would keep your secret while you carried it out? 

I can't imagine there is a group of There is not a group of non-muslim Canadians where one would feel comfortable talking about mass-murder without thinking "One of these 50 people might turn me in".   

[West]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Individual incidents and anecdotes don't figure.  I have polling on specific questions about policies.

2. Evangelicals have similar attitudes towards the gay as Muslims do.

The false equivalency between Christianity and islam is laughable. 

These aren't individual incidents. A sizeable portion of islam are in favor of murdering the jews

[West]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Should we strip citizenship of anyone who has shown sympathy with Nazi beliefs too?

Why isn't anyone suggesting that?

We did to the Japanese when they decided to bomb Pearl Harbour

[ironstone]

58 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Islamic countries you mean. That Seems like you're saying it's a bad thing. So we shouldn't do that?

2. No idea. How many attacks against Muslims in Canada?

1. You don't question why Islamic countries(majority Muslim population obviously) are intolerant of other faiths? Why are there so few Christians in the Middle East? Why so few Jews in the region outside Israel? And that number keeps going down.

2. I suspect there are very few attacks against Muslims in Canada. I don't condone any attacks against Muslims in Canada. I would wager that Muslims are safer in Canada than in many Muslim countries as they are not exactly hesitant to kill each other in great numbers.

Like many others, I'm not the least bit surprised by this latest terrorist attack. 

This man sums it up nicely.

 

[TreeBeard]

31 minutes ago, Venandi said:

you think more gun control helps?

Of course it does.  

[West]

[West]

[West]

38 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

This is what happens when muslims get to 1% of the population - they commit enough acts of violent religious bigotry that other religions no longer feel safe to gather and celebrate.

For example, in German they have so many muslims that they can't afford the cost of security to hold all of their Christmas festivals. 

 

If I ran this country, the cost of security for Christmas festivals would be zero dollars, but the cost of committing a terrorist attack at one would be incalculable. Think "so high for the entire group that was responsible for committing the murder that it would be impossible to share the idea of committing a terrorist attack among 2 people without getting turned in to the authorities." 

If that sounds insane, just remember that we had a group of 18 terrorists here involved in one plot. IOW, there is a community in this country that's so F'd up that you can share the idea of something insane as a wave of terrorist attacks among either:

1. several dozen of them without feeling like someone's gonna rat you out, or
2. 18 of them and know that you will get 100% support from all of them.

I mean, what happened? Did they have to ask 100 people in order to find a group of 18 that wanted to massacre Canadians indiscriminately, without fear of being ratted out, or did they just ask 18, knowing that they'd all say yes?

Now, in the end, they got so many people involved that someone finally did turn them in, but that was A LOT OF F'ING PEOPLE.

How many people do you know that you could approach with a plan like "Let's just murder as many people as we can" who would say yes, or at least would keep your secret while you carried it out? 

I can't imagine there is a group of There is not a group of non-muslim Canadians where one would feel comfortable talking about mass-murder without thinking "One of these 50 people might turn me in".   

It is really sad. Yah cannot even suggest "hey maybe dont bring a group of people over to start violent attacks in your country" because "thats racist"

[Radiorum]

I read an article today from a journalist I well respect, about the shooting, and I was a little dismayed at the lack of any mention of what Palestinians are currently suffering at the hands of Israel.

Then I hear Netanyahu blame Australia for the attacks: 

“Your government did nothing to stop the spread of antisemitism in Australia. You did nothing to curb the cancer cells that were growing inside your country. You took no action. You let the disease spread and the result is the horrific attacks on Jews we saw today.”

Nowhere do I hear anything about the genocide that Israel is perpetrating on the Palestinian people. 

What responsibility does Netanyahu hold for the radicalization of those opposed to the killing of their people?

 

[Radiorum]

• In Gaza, the death toll is over 69,000. This includes over 17,000 children. At least 170,000 people have been injured.
• In the West Bank, the death toll is over 1,000. This includes over 200 children. Over 6,000 people have been injured.
• 90% of Gaza’s population have been displaced from their homes, often more than once. 
• The entire population of Gaza faces acute food insecurity.

https://www.redcross.org.uk/about-us/what-we-do/international/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territory

[Legato]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Muslims are humans and they assimilate fine.  Saying that they're unlike every other culture is saying that they're not human.

But they don't assimilate, they stick together in their own enclaves and the hate anything not Muslim including you.

Try taking your dog for a walk in areas where they live.

Just look ate the number of atrocities carries out world wide fueled by the Muslim faith.

[West]

17 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

• In Gaza, the death toll is over 69,000. This includes over 17,000 children. At least 170,000 people have been injured.
• In the West Bank, the death toll is over 1,000. This includes over 200 children. Over 6,000 people have been injured.
• 90% of Gaza’s population have been displaced from their homes, often more than once. 
• The entire population of Gaza faces acute food insecurity.

https://www.redcross.org.uk/about-us/what-we-do/international/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territory

You mean the war Islamists in Palestine started by murdering a bunch of people and then taking others hostage?