FDA Admits Myocarditis Was A Side Effect

[Goddess]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Oh, you're not fooling anyone. We all know damn well that you don't subscribe to the Atlantic, and that you didn't read the article. There's no room for new information in your tiny info bubble. Just copy and past some more of your standard debunked grievances and move on. 

Dead babies and children.

Enjoy your celebration.

[Hodad]

Just now, Goddess said:

Dead babies and children.

Enjoy your celebration.

Will do. Enjoy your batshit-crazy personalized conception of reality. 👍

[robosmith]

10 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Dead babies and children.

Enjoy your celebration.

Far more died of COVID than the very few who died from the vax.

And you have no thanks for those whose lives were SAVED by the vax.

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Far more died of COVID than the very few who died from the vax.

And you have no thanks for those whose lives were SAVED by the vax.

The point, which I have brought up many times and that you consistently ignore, is that the people who "died of covid" were very elderly, very ill or very obese.  They had one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel.  The average age of death from covid was 82.

Another point you consistently ignore - most of the "deaths from covid" were not deaths from covid.  There is enough evidence to prove this.  I'm not even debating it with anyone anymore.

The people "saved by the vax" cannot be known.  The estimated number published is based on the same flawed "models" used all during covid and has been debunked repeatedly.

The vast majority of people were never in any danger of dying from covid.  The IFR was only slightly higher than the seasonal flu.  The survival rate is over 99%.

The children who died from the vax were healthy before vaccination and faced statistically ZERO risk of dying from covid.  There was no net benefit to jabbing them, only risk.

It is ethically immoral to vaccinate children against something that poses no risk to them.  Only a psychopath thinks otherwise.

We don't yet know how many people died from the vax.  We DO know now that it's more than the "very few" you claim.  Every country that mass vaccinated is experiencing skyrocketing excess death.  Countries that did not mass vaccinate, are not experiencing that.

We don't yet know how the jabs will affect future health of people.  We DO know that they knowingly lied about it staying in the arm.  It doesn't.  It travels to all organs of the body and that's why the adverse events from the covid jab span so many bodily systems - cardiac, neuro, hemo, etc.  It settles mainly in the heart and the ovaries/testes.  We don't yet know how this will affect fertility of future generations.

It was an experimental vaccine, using 2 experimental technologies, never used on humans before - mRNA delivery system and LNPs.  We don't even know completely what happens to the LNPs after being absorbed by the body.

I find it disgusting that you belittle the needless deaths of children, even if you believe they are "very few."

You should be ashamed, but I don't think you are in the slightest.

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

The point, which I have brought up many times and that you consistently ignore, is that the people who "died of covid" were very elderly, very ill or very obese.  They had one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel.  The average age of death from covid was 82.

Another point you consistently ignore - most of the "deaths from covid" were not deaths from covid.  There is enough evidence to prove this.  I'm not even debating it with anyone anymore.

The people "saved by the vax" cannot be known.  The estimated number published is based on the same flawed "models" used all during covid and has been debunked repeatedly.

The vast majority of people were never in any danger of dying from covid.  The IFR was only slightly higher than the seasonal flu.  The survival rate is over 99%.

The children who died from the vax were healthy before vaccination and faced statistically ZERO risk of dying from covid.  There was no net benefit to jabbing them, only risk.

It is ethically immoral to vaccinate children against something that poses no risk to them.  Only a psychopath thinks otherwise.

We don't yet know how many people died from the vax.  We DO know now that it's more than the "very few" you claim.  Every country that mass vaccinated is experiencing skyrocketing excess death.  Countries that did not mass vaccinate, are not experiencing that.

We don't yet know how the jabs will affect future health of people.  We DO know that they knowingly lied about it staying in the arm.  It doesn't.  It travels to all organs of the body and that's why the adverse events from the covid jab span so many bodily systems - cardiac, neuro, hemo, etc.  It settles mainly in the heart and the ovaries/testes.  We don't yet know how this will affect fertility of future generations.

It was an experimental vaccine, using 2 experimental technologies, never used on humans before - mRNA delivery system and LNPs.  We don't even know completely what happens to the LNPs after being absorbed by the body.

I find it disgusting that you belittle the needless deaths of children, even if you believe they are "very few."

You should be ashamed, but I don't think you are in the slightest.

I am ashamed of your Dunning Kruger amateur pretenses.

[Goddess]

[gatomontes99]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Far more died of COVID than the very few who died from the vax.

And you have no thanks for those whose lives were SAVED by the vax.

Kids did not die of covid. 

[Hodad]

14 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Kids did not die of covid. 

Well, I guess if you ignore all the kids it killed, then sure.

 

But back in reality, at the height of the pandemic (2021–2022), COVID-19 was the eighth leading cause of death overall for children and the first among infectious diseases.

[gatomontes99]

46 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Well, I guess if you ignore all the kids it killed, then sure.

 

But back in reality, at the height of the pandemic (2021–2022), COVID-19 was the eighth leading cause of death overall for children and the first among infectious diseases.

You know those are kids that died with COVID and not from COVID. We did a pìss poor job of tracking why they died. But we did pay hospitals for listing COVID positive tests with death. 

I live in reality, so here is proof:

Deaths for people under age 15 were lower than expected, but all older ages showed excess mortality. The following table considers the A/E ratios for the period after the emergence of COVID-19 and uses a five- year trend on death rates by ages and sex to set the expected deaths

Kids had FEWER THAN EXPECTED DEATHS in 2020. That indicates that the original guesstimate (precovid) was above actual and that COVID did not kill a bunch of kids..

[WestCanMan]

It's weird how the left4rds here want to sweep their litany of abysmally failed covid-jab efficacy & safety claims under the rug, while at the same time crying foul against "anti-vaxers" as if they have no reason not to trust big pharma and our medical "experts" anymore.

They go to any length to lie, slander, criminalize, ostracize, deny, and mislead anyone and everyone about covid & vaccines, and then they say "We are sharing 'information' again, and people should trust us." 

What went wrong with covid safety and efficacy claims?

How did they end up going from "It's safe and effective and you won't get sick with covid and you don't have to worry about giving covid to granny if you're vaxed" to "we now have tens of thousands of multi-vaxed covid deaths plus children killed by a vaccine that they absolutely did not need"?

Where do you start to rebuild trust at that point? 

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, Hodad said:

There's no room for new information in your tiny info bubble. 

So sayeth the cultist who still believes that "the jabs are safe and effective, and you don't have to worry about getting sick or giving covid to granny if you're vaccinated".

Can you even admit what stage of the back-peddle you're at, idjit?

You can't, you absolutely can't, because no matter what stage you pick, I get to eviscerate you for how much of a cultist dolt you are.

If you say "Well, some people still die", I get to say "If people were still getting sick enough to die then they were still getting sick enough to spread covid, so vaccinating didn't stop the spread, and we had no reason to force-vax young people with a jab that didn't prevent transmission, because covid wasn't killing them."

Honestly, pick your stage of the back-peddle, f-tard, because I'm sick of your stupid mouth. 

[Goddess]

26 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Where do you start to rebuild trust at that point? 

You start being honest with the public.  Like this:

REVISED HHS CHILDHOOD VAX SCHEDULE ANNOUNCED:

 

After a scientific review of the underlying science, comparing the U.S. child and adolescent immunization schedule with those of peer, developed nations, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Acting Director Jim O’Neill has now further updated the U.S. childhood immunization schedule. The changes stem from reviewing practices in other nations, including consulting experts in Denmark, Germany, and Japan.

 

(FYI from me - JAPAN REVIEWED THE SCHEDULE YEARS AGO AND DELAYED MANY OF THE SHOTS UNTIL AGE 2. RESULT WAS PLUMMETING OF AUTISM RATES AND SIDS DEATHS.)

 

The CDC will, moving forward, stop broadly recommending vaccines against influenza, rotavirus, respiratory syncytial virus, hepatitis A, and meningococcal disease. The CDC in 2025 already narrowed recommendations for hepatitis B and COVID-19 vaccination, based on guidance from ACIP advisers selected by HHS Secretary Kennedy.

 

The CDC will continue to recommend that all children are immunized against 10 diseases for which there is international consensus, as well as varicella (chickenpox). For other diseases, the CDC will recommend immunization for high-risk groups and populations, or through shared clinical decision making when it is not possible for public health authorities to clearly define who will benefit from an immunization. The updated schedule is in contrast to the CDC child and adolescent schedule at the end of 2024, which recommended 17 immunizations for all children.

 

The Danish childhood vaccination schedule that has influenced this new US schedule is far simpler, slower, and gentler than the U.S. CDC schedule. Denmark begins immunization at three months of age, giving only about a dozen total injections by adolescence, focused on serious diseases such as diphtheria, tetanus, polio, Hib, measles, and meningitis.

 

The U.S. begins vaccination the day a child is born, in some cases with a hepatitis B shot, and continues frequently through infancy, totaling around sixty doses by the end of adolescence. The Danish program avoids vaccines for mild illnesses like chickenpox, rotavirus, and hepatitis A, and it does not recommend annual flu or early COVID inoculations for healthy children. It therefore introduces far fewer antigens, adjuvants, and chemical additives, giving the immune system more time to mature between doses.

 

The U.S. system, by contrast, compresses numerous injections into the first year of life, creating heavy antigen and aluminum exposure during a critical developmental window. Denmark’s approach reflects a minimalist “target the serious diseases” philosophy built on transparency and trust, while the U.S. program embodies a maximalist “vaccinate for everything” model driven by a zero‑risk culture, liability avoidance, institutional inertia, and a cult-like belief that all vaccine products are “safe and effective” and therefore above questioning. Both countries maintain high vaccine coverage, but Denmark achieves comparable disease control with a fraction of the biochemical and immunological load imposed on young children in the United States.

 

The updated CDC childhood immunization schedule:

• 1. Recommends all vaccines for which there is consensus among peer nations.

• 2. Allows for more flexibility and choice, with less coercion, by reassigning non-consensus vaccines to certain high-risk groups or populations and shared clinical decision-making.

• 3. Ensures that all the diseases covered by the previous immunization schedule will still be available to anyone who wants them through Affordable Care Act insurance plans and federal insurance programs, including Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program, and the Vaccines for Children program. Families will not have to purchase them out of pocket. Among peer nations, the U.S. will continue to offer the most childhood vaccines for free to those who wants them.

• 4. Is accompanied by a strengthening of vaccine research through HHS’ commitment to double-blind placebo controlled randomized trials as well as more observational studies to evaluate long-term effects of individual vaccines and the vaccine schedule.

Scientific Review

 

In 2024, the U.S. recommended more childhood vaccine doses than any other peer nation, and more than twice as many as some European nations. A 2024 comparison between the U.S. and peer nations, found that countries without vaccine mandates had as high immunization rates as the U.S. and other countries with vaccine mandates.

 

Trust in U.S. public health declined from 72% to 40% between 2020 and 2024, coinciding with public health failure during the pandemic, including COVID-19 vaccine mandates. Though the COVID-19 vaccine was recommended for all children on the CDC schedule, the uptake rate was less than 10% by 2023. The uptake rate of other childhood vaccines declined during the same time period.

 

Large placebo-controlled randomized trials on individual vaccines, combinations of vaccines, and vaccine schedules, as well as observational studies, are needed to better inform patients, parents, and providers and help restore trust in public health.

 

Immunizations Recommended for All Children

 

The CDC will continue to recommend that all children are vaccinated against diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis (whooping cough), Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), Pneumococcal conjugate, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, and human papillomavirus (HPV), for which there is international consensus, as well as varicella (chickenpox).

 

Recent scientific studies have shown that one dose of the HPV vaccine is as effective as two doses. The CDC is following the lead of several peer nations by recommending one instead of two doses of this vaccine.

The updated CDC recommended immunizations for all children and adolescents will maintain robust protection against diseases that cause serious morbidity or mortality to children.

 

Immunizations Recommended for Certain High-Risk Groups or Populations

 

Like all medical products, vaccines and other immunizing agents have different risk-benefit profiles for different groups of people. Risk factors can include unusual exposure to the disease, underlying comorbidities, or the risk of disease transmission to others.

 

The immunizations recommended for certain high-risk groups or populations are for respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), hepatitis A, hepatitis B, dengue, meningococcal ACWY, and meningococcal B.

 

Immunizations Based on Shared Clinical Decision-Making

 

It is not always possible for public health authorities to clearly define who will benefit from an immunization, who has the relevant risk factors, or who is at risk for exposure. Physicians and parents, who knows the child, are then best equipped to decide based on individual characteristics.

The immunizations based on shared clinical decision-making are for rotavirus, COVID19, influenza, meningococcal disease, hepatitis A, and hepatitis B.

 

NEXT STEPS

 

For health care providers, the CDC will publish the updated Child and Adolescent Immunization Schedule by Age (through age 18) of immunization recommendations for all children, immunization recommendations for certain high-risk groups or populations, and immunizations based on shared clinical decision-making.

 

HHS will work with states and physician groups to educate parents and providers on the updated CDC childhood immunization schedule.

 

The CDC will continue to closely monitor vaccine uptake, infectious disease rates and vaccine safety.

 

IN CONCLUSION:

 

The updated U.S. childhood immunization schedule represents a decisive shift toward scientific restraint, transparency, and individualized care. By aligning more closely with peer nations such as Denmark, the new schedule narrows universal recommendations to vaccines with clear international consensus against the most serious childhood diseases, while reclassifying others, such as influenza, rotavirus, and hepatitis A, for high‑risk groups or shared clinical decision‑making.

 

This balance preserves access and affordability, ensuring that all vaccines remain fully covered by federal programs while reducing unnecessary exposure to antigens and adjuvants in early life. The reform addresses the erosion of public trust that followed overreach and coercive mandates during the pandemic years and acknowledges that vaccination, like any medical intervention, carries individualized benefit‑risk trade‑offs. Strengthening independent research through placebo‑controlled trials and long‑term safety studies will help restore scientific credibility and public confidence. Ultimately, the modernized schedule protects children from the most dangerous infectious diseases while promoting informed parental choice, evidence-based decision‑making, and renewed trust in American public health.

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, Hodad said:

Will do. Enjoy your batshit-crazy personalized conception of reality. 👍

Tell us what stage of the back-peddle you're at, idjit.

Where are you on the long line of backpeddles from

#1) If you take the vax you won't get sick and you can't spread covid

#72) the vaccine doesn't slow the spread of covid at all, tens of thousands of Canadians died after taking multiple jabs, and the vaccine kills people?

Are you at stage 72 yet? Are you acknowledging that tens of thousands of multi-vaxed Canadians died of covid in 2022, because I can show you Health Canada's own data. Are you acknowledging that the "safe vaccine" killed children yet?

You're literally sitting there denying reality as you accuse others of being batshit-crazy.

How safe and effective are the jabs, Hodad? Just say it.... What stage of denial are in?

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You start being honest with the public.  Like this:

That's just changing policy, it's not the level of honesty required to build trust.

Honesty looks like this:

1. We promised this much, and we fell well this far short of the mark
2. This happened for a number of reasons, namely this and this and this and this.....
3. The people most responsible have been dealt with accordingly. This is what happened to these people....
4. We've completely changed our protocols and requirements based on the gross miscalculations of the last 5 years to ensure that we never get it so wrong again.

#2 and 3 are laundry-lists. 

I haven't seen a single laundry list of reasons or names or punishments, but there is a laundry list of people who profited to the tune of tens of millions of dollars. No reasons were given. No one was named.

 

 

BOTTOM LINE:

• People were forced to take a vax was nowhere near living up to its bill of sale, even when science was 100% clear that they had no need for it, and were killed by it,
• we were lied to for years about all of the above
• no one responsible for telling those lies to reap those profits was censured, fired, fined, gave a single penny of their profits back, or was sent to jail.

 

 

All I see when I look at the above is:

In the future:

1. Vax manufacturers can make the exact same type of claims about a vaccine,
2. people at the top of the CDC and NiH can make the exact same types of lies about them, 
3. people can still be forced to take a vaccine based on the above 2 lies
4. the profits will roll in as all the profiteers above lie their faces off and rake in vast sums of money
5. as the truth slowly overtakes the lies (over the course of 3 years with covid) profits will slow
6. All the liars get to keep their money, we bury the dead, rinse & repeat 

 

Who's "The CDC"? Rachel Wolenski was the head of the CDC. She's one of the people who said "The vaccines are safe and if you take them you don't have to worry about getting sick or giving covid to granny".

Her promise that "you don't have to worry about giving covid to granny if you take the vax" was the sentence that justified forcing people to take the jab even when we knew that they did not need it. 

That c--- should be in jail, along with Fauci. 

But when the data from the Israeli ICUs came in, showing that 50% of ICU patients were vaxed, we shoulda instantly realized that "vaxed people in ICU due to the severity of their infection can spread covid", so there was no need to vax people who weren't at risk. 

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's just changing policy, it's not the level of honesty required to build trust.

Honesty looks like this:

1. We promised this much, and we fell well this far short of the mark
2. This happened for a number of reasons, namely this and this and this and this.....
3. The people most responsible have been dealt with accordingly. This is what happened to these people....
4. We've completely changed our protocols and requirements based on the gross miscalculations of the last 5 years to ensure that we never get it so wrong again.

#2 and 3 are laundry-lists. 

I haven't seen a single laundry list of reasons or names or punishments, but there is a laundry list of people who profited to the tune of tens of millions of dollars. No reasons were given. No one was named.

 

 

BOTTOM LINE:

• People were forced to take a vax was nowhere near living up to its bill of sale, even when science was 100% clear that they had no need for it, and were killed by it,
• we were lied to for years about all of the above
• no one responsible for telling those lies to reap those profits was censured, fired, fined, gave a single penny of their profits back, or was sent to jail.

 

 

All I see when I look at the above is:

In the future:

1. Vax manufacturers can make the exact same type of claims about a vaccine,
2. people at the top of the CDC and NiH can make the exact same types of lies about them, 
3. people can still be forced to take a vaccine based on the above 2 lies
4. the profits will roll in as all the profiteers above lie their faces off and rake in vast sums of money
5. as the truth slowly overtakes the lies (over the course of 3 years with covid) profits will slow
6. All the liars get to keep their money, we bury the dead, rinse & repeat 

 

Who's "The CDC"? Rachel Wolenski was the head of the CDC. She's one of the people who said "The vaccines are safe and if you take them you don't have to worry about getting sick or giving covid to granny".

Her promise that "you don't have to worry about giving covid to granny if you take the vax" was the sentence that justified forcing people to take the jab even when we knew that they did not need it. 

That c--- should be in jail, along with Fauci. 

But when the data from the Israeli ICUs came in, showing that 50% of ICU patients were vaxed, we shoulda instantly realized that "vaxed people in ICU due to the severity of their infection can spread covid", so there was no need to vax people who weren't at risk. 

I hear you, my friend.

I think we have to do baby steps here.  People, the normies, aren't ready for the truth.  This has been a Pharma racket since the mid-80's when they were given complete immunity from prosecution for vax injuries and so they EXPLODED the number of jabs given to babies.  People really believe their babies will DIE if they don't get all 22 recommended shots in the first year of life.

Taking so many jabs off the schedule (I think it's about 30% of them) means Big Pharma loses money.  They've benefited handsomely from government mandating so many, while barely questioning need.

The childhood vax schedule was never tested in placebo trials or RCTs, that will be done now.  This is good. Other countries have done this, as noted in the above press release.

Pharma will have to defend all 88 of the jabs given to children.  People are going to find out how little these jabs are tested.  It's eye-watering.

The covid jab has been removed from the childhood schedule, as well.  Also good.  They are all risk, no benefit for children. 

Removing sketchy jabs from the schedule also opens up the possibility of future lawsuits for vax injuries, something parents have been screaming about in the US for decades.

Pharma never used to be allowed to advertise on TV.  I think it will go back to that, too.

Baby steps.

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

You know those are kids that died with COVID and not from COVID. We did a pìss poor job of tracking why they died. But we did pay hospitals for listing COVID positive tests with death. 

Way to spout conspiracy nonsense. Again. Hospitals were not paid to list COVID as a cause of death. That's asinine. The data isn't wrong just because it destroys your bullshit claim that COVID didn't kill kids. 🙄

Quote

I live in reality, so here is proof:

Deaths for people under age 15 were lower than expected, but all older ages showed excess mortality. The following table considers the A/E ratios for the period after the emergence of COVID-19 and uses a five- year trend on death rates by ages and sex to set the expected deaths

Kids had FEWER THAN EXPECTED DEATHS in 2020. That indicates that the original guesstimate (precovid) was above actual and that COVID did not kill a bunch of kids..

Hahahaha. If only someone had already pointed out this EXACT FACT when you conspiracy kooks were pretending that the COVID vaccines killed a bunch of kids. I gave you the ball, but you chose to kick it deep into your own net.  

And yes, a group of young people in general lockdown are not doing most of the young people things that are their #1 cause of death, so you should expect a reduction in deaths. That should be obvious. 

You can see yourself out. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

So sayeth the cultist who still believes that "the jabs are safe and effective, and you don't have to worry about getting sick or giving covid to granny if you're vaccinated".

Can you even admit what stage of the back-peddle you're at, idjit?

You can't, you absolutely can't, because no matter what stage you pick, I get to eviscerate you for how much of a cultist dolt you are.

If you say "Well, some people still die", I get to say "If people were still getting sick enough to die then they were still getting sick enough to spread covid, so vaccinating didn't stop the spread, and we had no reason to force-vax young people with a jab that didn't prevent transmission, because covid wasn't killing them."

Honestly, pick your stage of the back-peddle, f-tard, because I'm sick of your stupid mouth. 

Back peddle? As always, the vaccines are/were safe and effective. As always, the vaccines were an amazing success story, saving millions of lives. It's funny, I've showed you many, many charts from a broad sample of studies and regions--all of show consistently that the rates of hospitalization and death for the vaccinated are dramatically better--manifold better--than for the unvaccinated, and you're little pea brain just cannot grasp the difference between rates and raw numbers. It's really pitiful. I hope you've stumbled into some sustainable lifestyle that doesn't require any critical thinking. 

[gatomontes99]

2 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Way to spout conspiracy nonsense. Again. Hospitals were not paid to list COVID as a cause of death. That's asinine. The data isn't wrong just because it destroys your bullshit claim that COVID didn't kill kids. 🙄

The CARES act paid $100B to hospitals for treating COVID. So listing COVID got them free money. 

 

4 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Hahahaha. If only someone had already pointed out this EXACT FACT when you conspiracy kooks were pretending that the COVID vaccines killed a bunch of kids. I gave you the ball, but you chose to kick it deep into your own net.  

And yes, a group of young people in general lockdown are not doing most of the young people things that are their #1 cause of death, so you should expect a reduction in deaths. That should be obvious. 

You can see yourself out. 

https://wp.nyu.edu/schoolofglobalpublichealth-nyu_global_public_health_disaster_journal/covid-19-lockdowns-may-have-done-more-harm-than-good/

COVID lockdowns spread COVID more quickly and widely. It had the opposite effect. What i posted proves the statement that kids did not die of COVID. They did die of the vaccine, but that was rare as well. 

The point is, why use a vaccine with minimal effect if there is even the slightest negative outcome? COVID was not killing children and the vaccine only lasted 3 months, did lead to a few deaths and has unforeseeable long term effects. That is not a good risk/reward ratio. It definitely is not good enough risk/reward ratio to create a mandates. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

I hear you, my friend.

I think we have to do baby steps here.  People, the normies, aren't ready for the truth.  This has been a Pharma racket since the mid-80's when they were given complete immunity from prosecution for vax injuries and so they EXPLODED the number of jabs given to babies.  People really believe their babies will DIE if they don't get all 22 recommended shots in the first year of life.

Taking so many jabs off the schedule (I think it's about 30% of them) means Big Pharma loses money.  They've benefited handsomely from government mandating so many, while barely questioning need.

The childhood vax schedule was never tested in placebo trials or RCTs, that will be done now.  This is good. Other countries have done this, as noted in the above press release.

Pharma will have to defend all 88 of the jabs given to children.  People are going to find out how little these jabs are tested.  It's eye-watering.

The covid jab has been removed from the childhood schedule, as well.  Also good.  They are all risk, no benefit for children. 

Removing sketchy jabs from the schedule also opens up the possibility of future lawsuits for vax injuries, something parents have been screaming about in the US for decades.

Pharma never used to be allowed to advertise on TV.  I think it will go back to that, too.

Baby steps.

All that leftards hear when you say that is "RFK Jr is evil". 

[Hodad]

44 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

The CARES act paid $100B to hospitals for treating COVID. So listing COVID got them free money. 

Hospitals got paid for delivering medical care? Say it ain't so!

They got paid for treating COVID, as they should, regardless of the outcome. They did not get paid to list COVID as the cause of death. Which is what you are accusing them of doing when you dismiss the death rates tracked for COVID.

What you are insinuating, in the conspiracy manner, is that medical providers committed fraud and falsified their medical records, risking extreme personal loss, including medical license, fines, 15 years in jail, etc., all in exchange for a few dollars for the hospital. (Every business fantasizes about employees that loyal.) And also that this insane rationale was so widespread that it meaningfully skews the data. That's nutty. GTFO.

 

Quote

https://wp.nyu.edu/schoolofglobalpublichealth-nyu_global_public_health_disaster_journal/covid-19-lockdowns-may-have-done-more-harm-than-good/

COVID lockdowns spread COVID more quickly and widely. It had the opposite effect. What i posted proves the statement that kids did not die of COVID. They did die of the vaccine, but that was rare as well. 

 

A. Thanks for the link to the student newspaper article that you clearly didn't read, but what you are claiming is simply not true. You can criticize the secondary effects of lockdown, but there is no mechanism by which people staying home and reducing exposure to the virus causes the virus to spread more quickly. 
B. Even if you believe that kookery, it does not change the fact that young people in lockdown were not out doing the things that most frequently kill young people, accounting for the reduction in expected deaths. 
C. Even ignoring A and B, your hunches and speculations about why there were fewer than expected deaths among children, it DOES NOT CHANGE the fact that we have an actual count of COVID deaths among children. 

You said something dumb. Now your defense of it is just waving your hands and saying that we can't look at the data that unequivocally disproves your claim, because hairbrained theory X,Y,Z. And the "evidence" for those theories? Data. 

We're deep in the rabbit hole of your fiction. 

 

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's weird how the left4rds here want to sweep their litany of abysmally failed covid-jab efficacy & safety claims under the rug, while at the same time crying foul against "anti-vaxers" as if they have no reason not to trust big pharma and our medical "experts" anymore.

They go to any length to lie, slander, criminalize, ostracize, deny, and mislead anyone and everyone about covid & vaccines, and then they say "We are sharing 'information' again, and people should trust us." 

What went wrong with covid safety and efficacy claims?

How did they end up going from "It's safe and effective and you won't get sick with covid and you don't have to worry about giving covid to granny if you're vaxed" to "we now have tens of thousands of multi-vaxed covid deaths plus children killed by a vaccine that they absolutely did not need"?

Where do you start to rebuild trust at that point? 

Not by believing YOUR ^OPINIONS. The FACT is, COVID killed a lot more people than the VAX.

I had 5 jabs and NO COVID. You had 0 jabs and 3+ COVID INFECTIONS.

[gatomontes99]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Hospitals got paid for delivering medical care? Say it ain't so!

They got paid for treating COVID, as they should, regardless of the outcome. They did not get paid to list COVID as the cause of death.

And yet, they made sure to list COVID on the death certificate so they could get the unchecked money. That is how we ended up with car wreck victims being listed as COVID deaths and a slew of studies that blamed COVID for poor driving. It is like you where born in 2023 or something. How did you love through this and not learn of these things?

Car wreck/COVID comorbity was not a prominent thing. But it very vividly illustrates hiw corruptable/flawed the system was. There was no check on how someone died. If the hospital said it was COVID, they got paid. 

Now we go back to the kids that died with COVID. We know it was .01% below 15. How much less would it have been if ot was properly listed? We can't possibly know. Even at .01%, were know the vaccine had little to no affect on the R0 of children. 

[Hodad]

2 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

And yet, they made sure to list COVID on the death certificate so they could get the unchecked money. That is how we ended up with car wreck victims being listed as COVID deaths and a slew of studies that blamed COVID for poor driving. It is like you where born in 2023 or something. How did you love through this and not learn of these things?

Car wreck/COVID comorbity was not a prominent thing. But it very vividly illustrates hiw corruptable/flawed the system was. There was no check on how someone died. If the hospital said it was COVID, they got paid. 

Maybe I don't "learn" all this conspiracy bullshit because I source real news instead of the random shit you read and immediately believe on Twitter? Just a theory. 
 

Again, there was no compensation for listing COVID as a cause of death. 

 

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Now we go back to the kids that died with COVID. We know it was .01% below 15. How much less would it have been if ot was properly listed? We can't possibly know. Even at .01%, were know the vaccine had little to no affect on the R0 of children. 

By the lowest count, 1600+ kids died of COVID in the US. It's a simple record to look up, but you want to claim it didn't happen. Good luck with that. 

Meanwhile... The vaccines were highly effective at preventing those serious outcomes.

Results: A total of 445 case patients and 777 controls were enrolled. Overall, 17 case patients (4%) and 282 controls (36%) had been fully vaccinated. Of the case patients, 180 (40%) were admitted to the ICU, and 127 (29%) required life support; only 2 patients in the ICU had been fully vaccinated. The overall effectiveness of the BNT162b2 vaccine against hospitalization for Covid-19 was 94% (95% confidence interval [CI], 90 to 96); the effectiveness was 95% (95% CI, 91 to 97) among test-negative controls and 94% (95% CI, 89 to 96) among syndrome-negative controls. The effectiveness was 98% against ICU admission and 98% against Covid-19 resulting in the receipt of life support. All 7 deaths occurred in patients who were unvaccinated.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Not by believing YOUR ^OPINIONS. The FACT is, COVID killed a lot more people than the VAX.

I had 5 jabs and NO COVID. You had 0 jabs and 3+ COVID INFECTIONS.

What you're deliberately attempting to avoid now is admitting that vax safety and efficacy claims were absurdly overstated, while also putting words in my mouth.

1) I never said that the jabs killed more people than covid, stupid

2) it's time for you to admit that tens of thousands of multi-jabbed were "killed by covid", even in little Canada

3) it's time for you to admit that the vaxes were not safe, because they killed people.

 

Tell me how "safe and effective" you think the jabs were.... Why is that such a problem for you? Why are you scared? 

[WestCanMan]

41 minutes ago, Hodad said:

By the lowest count, 1600+ kids died of COVID in the US.

When you look at these stats, dummy, just notice that the kids in Canada started dying 6x as fast after the kiddie doses started being administered in Nov 2021:

19 dead (0-19 yrs old, the first two categories on the left) in almost two full years (Jan 2020-Dec 2021), then the total went to 66 after only 11 more months Jan-Nov 2022).

More than twice as many kids died in half the amount of time after the vaxes were given to kids.