Conservative MP Matt Jeneroux resigns

[CdnFox]

20 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Up to a point. At a time when we are all losing our privacy, I expect more transparency from MPs than the rest of us. If he hasn’t done so, he should at least confirm that this is a personal matter. 

Again, for hopefully the last time, he has been quite clear and his statements have been direct.

He ran for office believing the conservatives would form government and he felt that would put him in a position to really help his community. This is consistent with how he has spoken in the past and what people say about it. He's a very bright intelligent young man who thought he'd have an opportunity to shape the country in a way that he felt was best and contribute to his community.

He now does not believe that the conservatives are going to form government future, which does seem obviously correct, and he is moving on to other things that he feels well better serve his family in his community. He considered going over to the liberals because then he's at least be a government but he doesn't agree with their ideals or their budget. So he's stepping down

There's not much of a mystery here, a lot of people run for office at a time when they believe the party has a good chance of being elected. At the party doesn't get elected to government then that can be a sore point for people who got into the game just for that reason. And there's nothing wrong with that

As the saying goes, the worst day in government is better than the best day in opposition

[herbie]

If you really want to believe it wasn't a sign about confidence in the Leader, feel free to continue.
Most of us know it was.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

If you really want to believe it wasn't a sign about confidence in the Leader, feel free to continue.
Most of us know it was.

By most of you I assume you are referring to the other voices in your head?

In a roundabout way he's saying that he doesn't think Poilievre can force an election and win it in the near future.

I'm sure, it's been a tough year and a lot of the conservatives are extremely discouraged that Justin Trudeau pulled the fast one and the liberals were able to slimeball their way back into power with a snake oil peddler. Any honest person is going to look at that and be discouraged. So I get it. And I get that he wanted to be in politics specifically to help us community, not to be in opposition.

But if you're going to try and pretend that it's some great condemnation of the conservatives or Poilievre beyond that then it's just your usual stupid brain rot talking. 

Edited November 8, 2025 by CdnFox

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

If you really want to believe it wasn't a sign about confidence in the Leader, feel free to continue.
Most of us know it was.

Maybe you could share with the rest of us, send a screen shot of your 8 ball, or crystal ball....or scattered chicken bones, or what ever voodoo magic you use as a source that gives credence to your insight...or is this your best guess ?

[BeaverFever]

On 11/8/2025 at 11:30 AM, CdnFox said:

It's not really a slap to Poilievre. It was very clear, he got into politics because he was certain they were going to form government and he felt he could really better his community working in government on their behalf. They didn't form government, he doesn't want to be in opposition, he doesn't want to cross the floor. Fair enough

And he won't be resigning till the spring. So he'll still be here to vote against the budget. Not that I think it matters but it doesn't work the way you think it works

He isn't quitting before the budget boat. Don't you people read anything before you comment. He won't be resigning until the spring

He's announcing it now in order to give the writing time to find another candidate before it goes to an election and to quash any rumors that he'll be crossing the floor. He'll still be voting against the budget.

He's been very clear that the reason he's doing this is because he got into politics believing that he could form government and really help his community and because that's not the case and because he doesn't want to work with the liberals he's leaving politics. But he still supports the CPC

Sorry there’s no way this is not related to the budget given the timing of his announcement and coming right on the heels of another party member floor-crossing. Add to that Jeneroux was already on a short list of Conservatives that many speculated to be secretly talking to Liberals after d’Entremont said there were others.   His resignation may be in the future but let’s see if he shows up to vote or abstains on budget vote day. 
 

Note that there may have been some orchestrated theatrics here. Even before the budget was presented there was talk that none of the opposition parties want an election or would be well-positioned to win one so there was widespread speculation that they would condemn the budget publicly but then arrange for members to abstain or be conveniently absent on vote day. Consider this:

1) It is absolutely unheard of for the official opposition to not immediately introduce their party’s proposed amendments to the government’s budget as soon as it’s presented, which is considered a confidence motion, yet we are to believe that after delivering a 25-minute anti-budget speech, Poilievre the parliamentary veteran somehow “forgot” to do that. 
 

The Bloc then seizes upon the supposed Conservative “misplay” to take the lead and table its own proposed amendment, supposedly making the conservatives look bad. The conservatives then hastily table their own propsed budget amendments but they now have to be amendments to the Bloc’s amendments instead of amendments to the government’s budget. 
 

2)  While one would expect the opposition parties to coordinate if they truly wanted to pass a no-confidence motion, the Bloc amendment contains provisions no conservative could ever support, massive social spending and special handouts for Quebec and the Conservatives amendments are such that no Bloc could ever support, massive slashes to spending, money for oil pipelines etc. so the 2 parties vote against each other’s amendments and the government budget survives 2 confidence motions in as many days. This can only be by design   If either party really wanted to bring down government and trigger an election they would have left the controversial elements out of their amendments and co-ordinated on a no-confidence measure knowing that a future post-election government will bring in a new budget anyway. 
 

But in all likelihood both parties actually want this budget to pass they just don’t want to publicly say so. 

[ExFlyer]

On 11/8/2025 at 11:35 AM, CdnFox said:

Again, for hopefully the last time, he has been quite clear and his statements have been direct.

He ran for office believing the conservatives would form government and he felt that would put him in a position to really help his community. This is consistent with how he has spoken in the past and what people say about it. He's a very bright intelligent young man who thought he'd have an opportunity to shape the country in a way that he felt was best and contribute to his community.

He now does not believe that the conservatives are going to form government future, which does seem obviously correct, and he is moving on to other things that he feels well better serve his family in his community. He considered going over to the liberals because then he's at least be a government but he doesn't agree with their ideals or their budget. So he's stepping down

There's not much of a mystery here, a lot of people run for office at a time when they believe the party has a good chance of being elected. At the party doesn't get elected to government then that can be a sore point for people who got into the game just for that reason. And there's nothing wrong with that

As the saying goes, the worst day in government is better than the best day in opposition

????

Seems you are admitting defeat.

Seems your party has lost it's way.

Seems your hero PP Le Pew has become a burden to the party.

I will not pile on and understand the party has made some poor choices and the leader is not willing to make the changes necessary to make it better and viable.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Sorry there’s no way this is not related to the budget given the timing of his announcement and coming right on the heels of another party member floor-crossing. Add to that Jeneroux was already on a short list of Conservatives that many speculated to be secretly talking to Liberals after d’Entremont said there were others.   His resignation may be in the future but let’s see if he shows up to vote or abstains on budget vote day. 
 

Note that there may have been some orchestrated theatrics here. Even before the budget was presented there was talk that none of the opposition parties want an election or would be well-positioned to win one so there was widespread speculation that they would condemn the budget publicly but then arrange for members to abstain or be conveniently absent on vote day. Consider this:

1) It is absolutely unheard of for the official opposition to not immediately introduce their party’s proposed amendments to the government’s budget as soon as it’s presented, which is considered a confidence motion, yet we are to believe that after delivering a 25-minute anti-budget speech, Poilievre the parliamentary veteran somehow “forgot” to do that. 
 

The Bloc then seizes upon the supposed Conservative “misplay” to take the lead and table its own proposed amendment, supposedly making the conservatives look bad. The conservatives then hastily table their own propsed budget amendments but they now have to be amendments to the Bloc’s amendments instead of amendments to the government’s budget. 
 

2)  While one would expect the opposition parties to coordinate if they truly wanted to pass a no-confidence motion, the Bloc amendment contains provisions no conservative could ever support, massive social spending and special handouts for Quebec and the Conservatives amendments are such that no Bloc could ever support, massive slashes to spending, money for oil pipelines etc. so the 2 parties vote against each other’s amendments and the government budget survives 2 confidence motions in as many days. This can only be by design   If either party really wanted to bring down government and trigger an election they would have left the controversial elements out of their amendments and co-ordinated on a no-confidence measure knowing that a future post-election government will bring in a new budget anyway. 
 

But in all likelihood both parties actually want this budget to pass they just don’t want to publicly say so. 

It has nothing to do with the budget. He's still against their budget, he has been for ages, this isn't budget related and that should be the obvious part. If it was budget related he would have crossed the floor. 

If he was leaving for the budget he wouldn't be leaving in the spring after he was around to vote for it

The only connection to the budget is that because one person four cross and said there were others considering it the conservative started talking to every single person to find out if they were thinking of leaving or unhappy or dissatisfied or what. They told him they knew he had been seeing the liberals and they said get on board or quit next spring and they reached and agreement.

Sure. None of the parties particularly want an election and they're a little worried about being blamed for it if an election is called. That includes the liberals.

as to your points:

1  - big fat lie.  The leader of the gov't ALWAYS initiates discussions.  They always meet with the other parties either directly or by delegation to discuss what they can do to make the budget supportable, looking for at least enough votes to make that happen.  THAT IS THEIR JOB.  In addition ALL THREE parties gave specific items they would need to pass the budget and opened the doors to negotiations with the liberals were not interested.in. 

Your point one is a complete and utter fabrication. The exact opposite is true

2) You have absolutely no idea how parliament works. Seriously I'm not even trying to be rude this is just crazy talk. What happens is the government will go to one or the other and negotiate and see which one they can work with. And truth they go to all three because support from any one of the three would get the job done. If they can't make all of it happen they only need to make it happen for one party.

So they go to the conservatives and agree to scrap the plan for emissions caps and the conservative say yes,  doesn't matter what the block says the budget passes. Or they go to the block and they say well we'll give a little increase to OAS would that get it done? The block says yes and the conservatives can go fly a kite. Same with the NDP

So you are 100% wrong, there is no opportunity for each party to vote against the other's amendments. They would vote yes to the amendments that the government negotiated with them and all the other parties can vote whatever they want.

That's how every minority parliament works. The government proposes a budget, then enters into negotiations with the parties to see if there's any room to make changes that would get enough votes to vote for them. Sometimes that's one party sometimes that takes two parties there's even been cases where it took three as I recall but that is your job when you are in a minority government

 

This isn't even a debate, this isn't a discussion. This has been the way it's been for 150 years. The job of the sitting government is to gain enough support from the other parties to pass their legislation including the budget, it is not the job of the opposition to find ways on their own to support the government's agenda.

Mark carney thinks he's Donald Trump and can issue orders like a king without worrying about what other people think and he can't. He's in a minority. And if we go to an election it will be his fault entirely

 

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It has nothing to do with the budget. He's still against their budget, he has been for ages, this isn't budget related and that should be the obvious part. If it was budget related he would have crossed the floor. 

If he was leaving for the budget he wouldn't be leaving in the spring after he was around to vote for it

The only connection to the budget is that because one person four cross and said there were others considering it the conservative started talking to every single person to find out if they were thinking of leaving or unhappy or dissatisfied or what. They told him they knew he had been seeing the liberals and they said get on board or quit next spring and they reached and agreement.

C’mon. He wouldn’t have to cross the floor, just resign abstain or be absent on voting day. There’s obviously intrigue afoot for him to announce this in this crucial period, otherwise they’d just keep it under wraps for now. Why else would they quit next spring if he was caught talking to the enemy and why would he be “seeing the Liberals” if he’s against their budget?  Your story makes no sense. 

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

as to your points:

1  - big fat lie.  The leader of the gov't ALWAYS initiates discussions.  They always meet with the other parties either directly or by delegation to discuss what they can do to make the budget supportable, looking for at least enough votes to make that happen.  THAT IS THEIR JOB.  In addition ALL THREE parties gave specific items they would need to pass the budget and opened the doors to negotiations with the liberals were not interested.in. 

Your point one is a complete and utter fabrication. The exact opposite is true

2) You have absolutely no idea how parliament works. Seriously I'm not even trying to be rude this is just crazy talk. What happens is the government will go to one or the other and negotiate and see which one they can work with. And truth they go to all three because support from any one of the three would get the job done. If they can't make all of it happen they only need to make it happen for one party.

So they go to the conservatives and agree to scrap the plan for emissions caps and the conservative say yes,  doesn't matter what the block says the budget passes. Or they go to the block and they say well we'll give a little increase to OAS would that get it done? The block says yes and the conservatives can go fly a kite. Same with the NDP

So you are 100% wrong, there is no opportunity for each party to vote against the other's amendments. They would vote yes to the amendments that the government negotiated with them and all the other parties can vote whatever they want.

That's how every minority parliament works. The government proposes a budget, then enters into negotiations with the parties to see if there's any room to make changes that would get enough votes to vote for them. Sometimes that's one party sometimes that takes two parties there's even been cases where it took three as I recall but that is your job when you are in a minority government

You’re confused and don’t know what you’re talking about. Not only am I right but what I said ALREADY HAPPENED LAST WEEK 

To be clear:   REGARDLESS of whether the government has discussions with opposition parties ahead of the budget being tabled, the opposition ALWAYS tables proposed amendments to the budget afterwards to propose adding or removing the things they didn’t get.  This is a customary practice that like most opposition motions fails especially in majority governments. And this is exactly what happened last week just as I described, the Bloc amendment and the CPC sub-amendments were tabled, voted upon and both failed.   You know those news headlines last week that said “carney budget passed first confidence motion and the one that said passed second confidence motion?  This is a public fact, that already happened how can you sot there and say it didn’t happen unless you don’t know what you’re talking about??

Carney survives two confidence votes on budget, quashing fears of winter election
 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/08/carney-confidence-vote-canada-budget
 

It’s hilarious that you’d tell me I “have no idea how parliament works” and am “100% wrong” when in fact it’s the other way around 

[BeaverFever]

@CdnFox

 

Conservatives help Liberals survive confidence vote, defeat Bloc amendment

The NDP and Green Leader Elizabeth May backed the Bloc Québécois amendment, meaning Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre’s caucus single-handedly kept the Liberal government from being defeated.

Published November 7th, 2025 at 2:35pm

 

Prime Minister Mark Carney has survived a confidence vote for the second time this week after MPs overwhelmingly defeated a Bloc Québécois amendment to the government’s recent budget.

The Bloc called on the House of Commons to reject the budget on the basis that it did not provide a top-up for Old Age Security recipients and contained insufficient measures to fight climate change, amongst other grievances.

Budget motion amendments aren’t always considered confidence votes. But Government House Leader Steven MacKinnon said the government was treating them as such, raising the prospect of a snap election.

The amendment was defeated by a margin of 306 to 30 on Friday, though NDP MPs and Green Leader Elizabeth May backed the sovereigntists’ proposal.

As such, it was the Conservatives that helped the government from being defeated. If Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre’s caucus of 142 MPs — which does not count newly-minted Liberal Chris d’Entremont and pending resignee Matt Jeneroux — had voted against the government, Canadians would have been sent back to the polls for the second time in less than 12 months.
 

…Earlier this week, a Conservative-initiated sub-amendment to the budget, which also called for the economic plan to be rejected, was defeated by the Liberals, NDP and Bloc.

 

https://www.ipolitics.ca/2025/11/07/conservatives-help-liberals-survive-confidence-vote-defeat-bloc-amendment/

 

 

[Zeitgeist]

Since Canada is scared of conservatives and can only elect Liberals, why not do away with all parties except the Liberal Party of Canada?  Once we shift to a one party system it will be pretty straightforward to fold the whole venture into the Communist Party of China.  The Chinese will send the woke faction of the party to labour camps and the rest can work as apparatchik gophers for the Politburo.  

[Legato]

5 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

C’mon. He wouldn’t have to cross the floor, just resign abstain or be absent on voting day. There’s obviously intrigue afoot for him to announce this in this crucial period, otherwise they’d just keep it under wraps for now. Why else would they quit next spring if he was caught talking to the enemy and why would he be “seeing the Liberals” if he’s against their budget?  Your story makes no sense. 

You’re confused and don’t know what you’re talking about. Not only am I right but what I said ALREADY HAPPENED LAST WEEK 

To be clear:   REGARDLESS of whether the government has discussions with opposition parties ahead of the budget being tabled, the opposition ALWAYS tables proposed amendments to the budget afterwards to propose adding or removing the things they didn’t get.  This is a customary practice that like most opposition motions fails especially in majority governments. And this is exactly what happened last week just as I described, the Bloc amendment and the CPC sub-amendments were tabled, voted upon and both failed.   You know those news headlines last week that said “carney budget passed first confidence motion and the one that said passed second confidence motion?  This is a public fact, that already happened how can you sot there and say it didn’t happen unless you don’t know what you’re talking about??

Carney survives two confidence votes on budget, quashing fears of winter election
 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/08/carney-confidence-vote-canada-budget
 

It’s hilarious that you’d tell me I “have no idea how parliament works” and am “100% wrong” when in fact it’s the other way around 

The vote on the budget is Nov 17th. So yes you have no idea. Do you and Flybaby eat at the same trough.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

C’mon. He wouldn’t have to cross the floor, just resign abstain or be absent on voting day. There’s obviously intrigue afoot for him to announce this in this crucial period, otherwise they’d just keep it under wraps for now. Why else would they quit next spring if he was caught talking to the enemy and why would he be “seeing the Liberals” if he’s against their budget?  Your story makes no sense. 

You’re confused and don’t know what you’re talking about. Not only am I right but what I said ALREADY HAPPENED LAST WEEK 

To be clear:   REGARDLESS of whether the government has discussions with opposition parties ahead of the budget being tabled, the opposition ALWAYS tables proposed amendments to the budget afterwards to propose adding or removing the things they didn’t get.  This is a customary practice that like most opposition motions fails especially in majority governments. And this is exactly what happened last week just as I described, the Bloc amendment and the CPC sub-amendments were tabled, voted upon and both failed.   You know those news headlines last week that said “carney budget passed first confidence motion and the one that said passed second confidence motion?  This is a public fact, that already happened how can you sot there and say it didn’t happen unless you don’t know what you’re talking about??

Carney survives two confidence votes on budget, quashing fears of winter election
 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/08/carney-confidence-vote-canada-budget
 

It’s hilarious that you’d tell me I “have no idea how parliament works” and am “100% wrong” when in fact it’s the other way around 

If it's about the budget he has to cross the floor, you shot yourself in the foot with that comment.

There's no entry here that isn't easily explained by what we've seen and what he said. He wanted to be in government. He does not want to be in opposition . He either doesn't believe there will be an election in the near future or he doesn't believe that Poilievre can win it if there is. So he's not going to be in government if he sticks around. He considered going over to the liberals, he met with him and talked with them. But in the end decided they weren't a good fit and decided to step down and go do something else instead. Obviously along the way the CPC realized he was thinking of leaving and knew he'd met with the PM and called him to the mat and said "what's up'. 

What else do you think happened? Kidnapped his kids? Snipter on the roof in case he tried to cross? What more do you think the story needs?

And no, what you said did not happen last week. Sometimes you just don't fundamentally understand what you're talking about.

In fact the exact Opposite of what you said happened. You said the block would vote against the conservative amendments and the conservatives would vote against the block amendments but that's not what happened. And that was only second reading, those are the readings that are necessary to get to the final vote to pass or fail the budget. Obviously you don't understand how first second and third reading works. We only just hit the stage where amendments will be proposed by the various parties

It's hilarious that not only did you incorrectly point out something that you thought proved I was wrong, but also pointed out the thing that proves I'm right.

You need to learn to read more.

[BeaverFever]

On 11/10/2025 at 6:41 PM, CdnFox said:

If it's about the budget he has to cross the floor, you shot yourself in the foot with that comment.

There's no entry here that isn't easily explained by what we've seen and what he said. He wanted to be in government. He does not want to be in opposition . He either doesn't believe there will be an election in the near future or he doesn't believe that Poilievre can win it if there is. So he's not going to be in government if he sticks around. He considered going over to the liberals, he met with him and talked with them. But in the end decided they weren't a good fit and decided to step down and go do something else instead. Obviously along the way the CPC realized he was thinking of leaving and knew he'd met with the PM and called him to the mat and said "what's up'. 

What else do you think happened? Kidnapped his kids? Snipter on the roof in case he tried to cross? What more do you think the story needs?

And no, what you said did not happen last week. Sometimes you just don't fundamentally understand what you're talking about.

In fact the exact Opposite of what you said happened. You said the block would vote against the conservative amendments and the conservatives would vote against the block amendments but that's not what happened. And that was only second reading, those are the readings that are necessary to get to the final vote to pass or fail the budget. Obviously you don't understand how first second and third reading works. We only just hit the stage where amendments will be proposed by the various parties

It's hilarious that not only did you incorrectly point out something that you thought proved I was wrong, but also pointed out the thing that proves I'm right.

You need to learn to read more.

Jeneroux abstained and the budget passed by 2 votes. Don’t you ever get tied of being proven wrong?  Cuz I don’t ever get tired of being proven right!

 

On 11/10/2025 at 5:02 PM, Legato said:

The vote on the budget is Nov 17th. So yes you have no idea. Do you and Flybaby eat at the same trough.

I clearly did have an idea and you didn’t. What trough do you eat from?

 

Let’s all breathe in the wisdom once more, from LAST WEEK :

 

On 11/10/2025 at 4:52 PM, BeaverFever said:

C’mon. He wouldn’t have to cross the floor, just resign abstain or be absent on voting day. There’s obviously intrigue afoot for him to announce this in this crucial period, otherwise they’d just keep it under wraps for now. Why else would they quit next spring if he was caught talking to the enemy and why would he be “seeing the Liberals” if he’s against their budget?  Your story makes no sense. 

CORRECT ✅

On 11/10/2025 at 12:45 PM, CdnFox said:

It has nothing to do with the budget. He's still against their budget, he has been for ages, this isn't budget related and that should be the obvious part. If it was budget related he would have crossed the floor. 

If he was leaving for the budget he wouldn't be leaving in the spring after he was around to vote for it

INCORRECT ❌

Edited November 18, 2025 by BeaverFever

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Jeneroux abstained and the budget passed by 2 votes. Don’t you ever get tied of being proven wrong?  Cuz I don’t ever get tired of being proven right!

LOL ummm  if it passed by two then it proved me right.   

He was there and could have voted against it if necessary, didn't because it wasn't   

Or were you asking yourself that question   

 

 

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INCORRECT ❌

Ahhh no, he's still against the budget.  he abstained, he didn't vote for it ';)   The cpc wanted to dadge an election, job managed, but if he was for the budget he would have voted.... for the budget   

LOLOL kid you never pass up a chance to look stupid    

[taxme]

On 11/8/2025 at 8:35 AM, CdnFox said:

Again, for hopefully the last time, he has been quite clear and his statements have been direct.

He ran for office believing the conservatives would form government and he felt that would put him in a position to really help his community. This is consistent with how he has spoken in the past and what people say about it. He's a very bright intelligent young man who thought he'd have an opportunity to shape the country in a way that he felt was best and contribute to his community.

He now does not believe that the conservatives are going to form government future, which does seem obviously correct, and he is moving on to other things that he feels well better serve his family in his community. He considered going over to the liberals because then he's at least be a government but he doesn't agree with their ideals or their budget. So he's stepping down

There's not much of a mystery here, a lot of people run for office at a time when they believe the party has a good chance of being elected. At the party doesn't get elected to government then that can be a sore point for people who got into the game just for that reason. And there's nothing wrong with that

As the saying goes, the worst day in government is better than the best day in opposition

So, you think that this traitor joining the WEF globalist lieberal party is going to help him and that he will be able to help take care of his community, eh? I do not think that his constituents are very happy about this traitor crossing the floor and now becoming another traitor to Canada. What is the word they call traitors like him? A carpetbagger, i believe? 

This guy was a lieberal in conservative clothing all the time and who is only concerned about himself and getting re elected again. I guess that he already sees that the fix will be in for the lieberal globalist party to get back in power in the next election. I do not trust elections in Canada anymore. 

As far as i am concerned, only lieberals will be running and ruining and destroying Canada forever once they get elected again. They despise and hate and have such contempt for Canada and Canadians. There truly will be no more future for conservative white straight Christian Canadians in Canada anymore. Just more poverty, more hunger, more tyranny and slavery to come. Only Lieberal white women and the new legal and illegal immigrants will see to that. Believe it or not. Just my own opinion of course. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

LOL ummm  if it passed by two then it proved me right.   

He was there and could have voted against it if necessary, didn't because it wasn't   

Or were you asking yourself that question   

LMAO seriously that’s what you’re going with?  That’s really pathetic. You went from saying he’s against the budget and will vote against it to now claiming he has powers precognition and knew exactly how every other MO would vote and that the bill would pass by exactly by 1 vote anyways so decided why bother doing his job?  Do you understand how stupid that sounds?  I called it a week ago that he would abstain and you insulted me for being correct.  I realize you’re completely incapable of admitting when you’re wrong even when it’s hilariously obvious to everyone so I don’t know where we go from here but the defence you’re offering right now isn’t plausible  

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Ahhh no, he's still against the budget.  he abstained, he didn't vote for it ';)   The cpc wanted to dadge an election, job managed, but if he was for the budget he would have voted.... for the budget   

LOLOL kid you never pass up a chance to look stupid    

If he was against the budget he would have voted against it.   You flimsy excuses are the only things making someone here look stupid and it’s not me.  As I correctly said a week ago PP doesn’t want this election either and games are afoot to ensure it passes.   A second conservative MP Shannon Stubbs also abstained. If I had to place a bet I would say PP took extra care to ensure that the budget would pass. 
 

Remember when you didn’t even know that there were 2 earlier confidence motions on the budget by bloc and cpc and I had suggested they were deliberately engineered to fail and that the opposition parties would ensure the budget would pass?  I didn’t even bother responding to your last denial of reality where you tried to claim that no budget amendments were tabled by the opposition and there were only additional readings   Sorry pal you’re out to lunch and backpedaling badly again. This just isn’t your week. 
 

 

Edited November 18, 2025 by BeaverFever

[Legato]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

I clearly did have an idea and you didn’t. What trough do you eat from?

Let’s all breathe in the wisdom once more, from LAST WEEK :

 

What wisdom would that be? Your goalposts move so much they must have wheels and a 5.7 litre V8

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO seriously that’s what you’re going with?  That’s really pathetic. You went from saying he’s against the budget and will vote against it to now claiming he has powers precognition and knew exactly how every other MO would vote and that the bill would pass by exactly by 1 vote anyways so decided why bother doing his job?  Do you understand how stupid that sounds?  I called it a week ago that he would abstain and you insulted me for being correct.  I realize you’re completely incapable of admitting when you’re wrong even when it’s hilariously obvious to everyone so I don’t know where we go from here but the defence you’re offering right now isn’t plausible  

 

If he was against the budget he would have voted against it.   You flimsy excuses are the only things making someone here look stupid and it’s not me.  As I correctly said a week ago PP doesn’t want this election either and games are afoot to ensure it passes.   A second conservative MP Shannon Stubbs also abstained. If I had to place a bet I would say PP took extra care to ensure that the budget would pass. 
 

Remember when you didn’t even know that there were 2 earlier confidence motions on the budget by bloc and cpc and I had suggested they were deliberately engineered to fail and that the opposition parties would ensure the budget would pass?  I didn’t even bother responding to your last denial of reality where you tried to claim that no budget amendments were tabled by the opposition and there were only additional readings   Sorry pal you’re out to lunch and backpedaling badly again. This just isn’t your week. 
 

 

So basically your entire post is that your buthurt and you wish I was wrong but realize that I'm not so you're going to try and pretend I said something different.

What I said was he's still against the budget. And I said he's not retiring till spring so he'll still be here to vote for it or against it or whatever he wants. You had suggested that him stepping down was because of the budget which Was just proven to be wrong

And no, he can be against the budget but also be against sending Canadians to the polls. He was for it he would have voted for it there's nothing at all stopping him. If he's against it But doesn't want to see an election and he's the only conservative who can abstain with no consequence.

If he hadn't shown up to vote at all you might have had a point. But he deliberately showed up and voted to abstain rather than to support the budget.

wah wah whaaaaaah  you lose  

and I have never ever ever not known that there were two other votes. That is a complete fiction that you're making up in your teeny tiny little mind. That was where you were trying to pretend that the conservatives vote against the block motions and the block votes against the conservative motions and the budget passes. I pointed out that that is not how it can happen and at the end of the day the government only needs one party to agree with it.

Somehow you twisted that into meaning that first and second reading were the same thing as the final vote.

Some days you have good days, some days you have bad days. This isn't one of your good days  

You were wrong, him stepping down wasn't because of the budget as we have just seen today.

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So basically your entire post is that your buthurt and you wish I was wrong but realize that I'm not so you're going to try and pretend I said something different.

What I said was he's still against the budget. And I said he's not retiring till spring so he'll still be here to vote for it or against it or whatever he wants. You had suggested that him stepping down was because of the budget which Was just proven to be wrong

And no, he can be against the budget but also be against sending Canadians to the polls. He was for it he would have voted for it there's nothing at all stopping him. If he's against it But doesn't want to see an election and he's the only conservative who can abstain with no consequence.

If he hadn't shown up to vote at all you might have had a point. But he deliberately showed up and voted to abstain rather than to support the budget.

wah wah whaaaaaah  you lose  

and I have never ever ever not known that there were two other votes. That is a complete fiction that you're making up in your teeny tiny little mind. That was where you were trying to pretend that the conservatives vote against the block motions and the block votes against the conservative motions and the budget passes. I pointed out that that is not how it can happen and at the end of the day the government only needs one party to agree with it.

Somehow you twisted that into meaning that first and second reading were the same thing as the final vote.

Some days you have good days, some days you have bad days. This isn't one of your good days  

You were wrong, him stepping down wasn't because of the budget as we have just seen today.

Oh boy wow you’re spinning!  Oh the gaslighting and revisionism and excuses you’re doing now, it’s a sight to behold!  

1) A week ago, I CORRECTLY predicted he would abstain or be absent on budget day. You denied that and attacked me for suggesting it at the time  

2) I CORRECTLY said the Bloc and conservatives tabled their own proposed amendments to the budget in parliament,  which is totally normal and customarily done by the official opposition, and both amendments failed (seemingly by design). You denied that too and baselessly attacked me again. 

THEN you tried to say oh there wee no amendments those were just the “second reading” which is not only FALSE but also IGNORANT because the budget doesn’t go through readings like a normal bill because it is a MOTION not a bill and there is no “Second Reading” just a final vote. So now you’re trying to claim I have confused the non-existent “second reading” of the budget you made up with today’s actual budget vote which is false.   Just. Stop. With. The. Bullshitting.

I mean at least check you post with google or chat gpt or something before hit the post button so don’t look so ridiculous.  

Since you still seem to be confused, here is the voting record for the conservative and bloc  failed amendments which as I mentioned were probably designed to fail:

VOTE NO. 48

45TH PARLIAMENT, 1ST SESSION November 6

Budgetary policy (subamendment)

Motion Sponsor:
Jasraj Hallan
 

 

SUMMARY

Results: Negatived 

Yea: 139

Nay: 198

Paired: 0

Total: 337

https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/45/1/48
 

VOTE NO. 49

45TH PARLIAMENT, 1ST SESSION November 7

Budgetary policy (amendment)

Motion Sponsor:
Yves-François Blanchet

SUMMARY

Results: Negatived 

Yea: 30

Nay: 306

Paired: 0

Total: 336

https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/45/1/49

 

 

Edited November 18, 2025 by BeaverFever

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Oh boy wow you’re spinning!  Oh the gaslighting and revisionism and excuses you’re doing now, it’s a sight to behold!  

There's no spin kiddo, nor is there any gas lighting or is there any revisionism, this has been the same since the beginning.

The reason you're freaking out and screaming like a baby with its diapers full is because you realize I was correct and there's just not much you can do about it.

You suggested that he was quitting because of the budget. I said that wasn't the case And he still did not support the budget. Lo and behold he did not support the budget

And nobody is confused about the voting record. You don't seem to be understanding what I'm saying it just seems to be a common problem with you left these days. 

Sorry kiddo but if he supported the budget he would have voted for the budget. That's how it works. That's what support means

 

Honestly it's exhausting to try to explain this to you, 

[BeaverFever]

On 11/8/2025 at 11:30 AM, CdnFox said:

It's not really a slap to Poilievre. It was very clear, he got into politics because he was certain they were going to form government and he felt he could really better his community working in government on their behalf. They didn't form government, he doesn't want to be in opposition, he doesn't want to cross the floor. Fair enough

And he won't be resigning till the spring. So he'll still be here to vote against the budget. Not that I think it matters but it doesn't work the way you think it works

He isn't quitting before the budget boat. Don't you people read anything before you comment. He won't be resigning until the spring

He's announcing it now in order to give the writing time to find another candidate before it goes to an election and to quash any rumors that he'll be crossing the floor. He'll still be voting against the budget.

He's been very clear that the reason he's doing this is because he got into politics believing that he could form government and really help his community and because that's not the case and because he doesn't want to work with the liberals he's leaving politics. But he still supports the CPC

Wow this post sure didn’t age well LMAO

[Politics1990]

buahahahaa you love to see it   +1 to mister carney  

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Wow this post sure didn’t age well LMAO

lol actually aged pretty good  

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

It was very clear, he got into politics because he was certain they were going to form government and he felt he could really better his community working in government on their behalf.

Check! 

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

He isn't quitting before the budget

Check

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

He's announcing it now in order to give the writing time to find another candidate before it goes to an election and to quash any rumors that he'll be crossing the floor.

Also true. He did want to quash any rumours he's crossing the floor. Turns out he's dishonest, but what i said was still true. 

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

He's been very clear that the reason he's doing this is because he got into politics believing that he could form government and really help his community

Check check and check. 

Soooooooooooooo..... what didn't age well?

LOL  you never look more stupid than when you're trying to be clever   

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

lol actually aged pretty good  

Check! 

Check

Also true. He did want to quash any rumours he's crossing the floor. Turns out he's dishonest, but what i said was still true. 

Check check and check. 

Soooooooooooooo..... what didn't age well?

LOL  you never look more stupid than when you're trying to be clever   

Except you conveniently left out the parts where you said:

 he doesn't want to cross the floor.”

he’ll still be here to vote against the budget

because he doesn't want to work with the liberals he's leaving politics. But he still supports the CPC

And also from another post where you said

On 11/10/2025 at 12:45 PM, CdnFox said:

He's still against their budget, he has been for ages, this isn't budget related and that should be the obvious part. If it was budget related he would have crossed the floor. 

 

On 11/8/2025 at 11:35 AM, CdnFox said:

he doesn't agree with their ideals or their budget.

 

On 11/8/2025 at 5:47 PM, CdnFox said:

if you're going to try and pretend that [his resignation from CPC] is some great condemnation of the conservatives or Poilievre beyond that then it's just your usual stupid brain rot talking. 

You have been repeatedly wrong throughout this thread and stating objectively incorrect statements about how the budget and parliament works, blissfully ignorant that opposition parties propose amendments to the government’s budget and how the conservatives fouled that up (perhaps intentionally) while talking about non-existent “second readings” which aren’t a thing for budget bills.  But the reason I am rubbing the salt in the wound here is because while making all these glaring basic errors of fact you wee insulting and falsely accusing others of not knowing what they were talking about when they were trying to educate you, which is a particularly annoying habit of yours. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Except you conveniently left out the parts where you said:

 he doesn't want to cross the floor.”

And he didn't. But apparently according to him and the liberals took an additional 3 months of negotiation before he got to that point.

 

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he’ll still be here to vote against the budget

And he was. Again I was quite correct

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because he doesn't want to work with the liberals he's leaving politics. But he still supports the CPC

And that was what he claimed. It's hardly my fault that he's a liar

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

if you're going to try and pretend that [his resignation from CPC] is some great condemnation of the conservatives or Poilievre beyond that then it's just your usual stupid brain rot talking. 

Yeah that's still true kiddo. This is a no way shape or form a condemnation of PP.  He got bought out by the liberals and fair enough I'm sure carney offered him a good amount of money and power. So nothing I said was actually wrong

 

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You have been repeatedly wrong throughout this thread 

As we've seen everything I said is true. The only thing I said that turned out not to be true was where I was quoting him and it turned out he wasn't being honest

Sorry kid, I'm sure you thought you had some sort of weirdo great gotcha moment but if anything I have been proven to be correct.