New Submarines: Carney vs Poilievre

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42 minutes ago, John Stone said:

oh, indeed, ergo the necessity of having reliable allies. NATO was an absolute bargain - all Canada needed to do was have a credible fighting  force, ie. well trained, equipped, deployable at short notice.     

Reliable allies? We can always rely on our biggest ally to go around the world picking fights to assert itself.  Like the dimbulb in the Gulf of 'America' at the moment.

Apparently we're already involved in that.

 

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4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That's what Chairman Mao did in China.  He abolished religion and Christianity and murdered around 100 million people.   That's what atheism does sometimes.

They might have abolished religion but supernatural thinking is still pretty pervasive given the extent of superstition and weird ideas around consuming any number of creatures for so-called medicinal reasons. The rarer and more endangered the better.

[blackbird]

46 minutes ago, eyeball said:

supernatural thinking is still pretty pervasive given the extent of superstition and weird ideas around consuming any number of creatures for so-called medicinal reasons.

Not sure what you mean by consuming creatures for medicinal reasons.   Bible-believing Christians do not do that.   As I already said many time, there are many false religions in the world.

Believing in the Bible is not superstitious or weird.  Jesus said "12  Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. "   John 8:12 KJV

Jesus proved he is the Son of God and proved what he said is the truth.  You can call that what you want, but the truth is what counts.   You have to believe in Jesus Christ and believe he is God and the Son of God who died for your sins to receive forgiveness, salvation or eternal life.

Jesus proved who he is by many miracles.  He even raised Lazarus from the dead.

" 39  Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days. 40  Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? 41  Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. 42  And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. 43  And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. 44  And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. "  John 11:39-44  King James Bible

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Not sure what you mean by consuming creatures for medicinal reasons. 

That's because you seem to get out only very rarely

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Bible-believing Christians do not do that. 

Some of you engage in the ritual cannibalization of your deity which is pretty wierd. I don't think it's for medicinal reasons though.

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Reliable allies? We can always rely on our biggest ally to go around the world picking fights to assert itself.  Like the dimbulb in the Gulf of 'America' at the moment.

Apparently we're already involved in that.

 

So stopping the flow of drugs into North America is not a worthy effort....how many people die every year for drugs....and what is the line in the sand for the amount of deaths before we do take action...

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10 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

So stopping the flow of drugs into North America is not a worthy effort....

It's Impossible.

13 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

..how many people die every year for drugs....and what is the line in the sand for the amount of deaths before we do take action...

Apparently just one is enough to justify starting trade war.

By rights America should have nuked several countries by now.

[herbie]

33 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

So stopping the flow of drugs into North America is not a worthy effort

Of the Armed Forces, certainly not. If they're asked by the RCMP to assist it would be.
But if you think they should start murdering 'suspects' on the high seas, please relocate to the increasingly lawless USA and burn any Bibles and books that reference morals within your home.

[suds]

If we're going to buy these submarines then they should be equipped for total war. Or otherwise what's the point?

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1 hour ago, herbie said:

Of the Armed Forces, certainly not. If they're asked by the RCMP to assist it would be.
But if you think they should start murdering 'suspects' on the high seas, please relocate to the increasingly lawless USA and burn any Bibles and books that reference morals within your home.

Governments kill people all the time. They kill people when they don't receive proper medical attention soon enough. When they send soldiers off to war. Would it have been morally wrong for someone to take it upon themselves to kill Hitler? I've got mixed feelings over these attacks on the high seas, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

[herbie]

31 minutes ago, suds said:

Governments kill people all the time.

You watch too many movies. Did Gramma never tell you TV isn't "real"?
OR did you sleep through Sunday School, high school and parental teachings to learn torture and assassination are morally acceptable practices of democratic govt's?

[suds]

27 minutes ago, herbie said:

You watch too many movies. Did Gramma never tell you TV isn't "real"?
OR did you sleep through Sunday School, high school and parental teachings to learn torture and assassination are morally acceptable practices of democratic govt's?

What you've referred to in a previous post has absolutely nothing to do with torture or assassination. But you probably already knew that.

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Some of you engage in the ritual cannibalization of your deity which is pretty wierd. I don't think it's for medicinal reasons though.

That is mainly the false church of Rome that believes that and possibly the Anglican Church in some way, but the Bible-believing evangelical churches do not believe that way.   Don't paint all churches with the same brush because it is a false claim.  There are many shades of belief in churches on some things but many share the same beliefs on certain fundamentals.

 

Edited November 16, 2025 by blackbird

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14 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Don't paint all churches with the same brush because it is a false claim. 

Just paint every single other religion as false because your's says so? Okay.

That corroborates what science concludes about your beliefs as well as all so...

[August1991]

On 11/12/2025 at 2:03 PM, Army Guy said:

That's a bold statement August, perhaps you can explain how you came to this outcome, do you have Naval command experience ? Many Canadians think they know better than the people who command our military, or those that have the experience or knowledge of running certain aspects of our military...

Canada has had subs for decades and now today you decide we don't need them...

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Canadians are only as great as they want to be, and right now we are laggards in our duties and signed defense commitments, we are weak....

 

I have no naval  experience, nor any military experience.

But I have walked the paths of various battles in various wars: the collapse of civilised Europe in Summer 1914 is striking; similar to our current world situation. 

[herbie]

Hey, you were the one who brought up govt killing people. I'm just pointing out how some are desensitizing citizens to the latest reasons and ways.

I mean if you were the sub captain and found another sub in the Northwest Passage would you put yours in front of it ping the hell out of it until it f*cked off home or torpedo it without warning?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Just paint every single other religion as false because your's says so? Okay.

That corroborates what science concludes about your beliefs as well as all so...

You are the one who made the generalized accusation about communion and I simply pointed out the error.  All churches, or those who call themselves churches, don't believe the same thing about communion.  Now it appears you are trying to divert to your old crutch called science.  Never admit you don't know what you're talking about.  You are in way over your head.

Edited November 16, 2025 by blackbird

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You are the one who made the generalized accusation about communion and I simply pointed out the error.  All churches, or those who call themselves churches, don't believe the same thing about communion. 

That's why I said some of you.

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Now it appears you are trying to divert to your old crutch called science. 

That's in response to the diversion to your old shtick about atheists and communists and Chinese communists in particular.

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Never admit you don't know what you're talking about.  You are in way over your head.

Do you recall what you asked me? Go back and read my answer more carefully. Note we both used the word often. Here's a clue why I did...see where I bolded some of you up above?

You're a lot like Cdnfox how you misread and ignore things and then respond to whatever that causes to pop into your head...except in his case he's conscious of what he's doing.

Edited November 16, 2025 by eyeball

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

Of the Armed Forces, certainly not. If they're asked by the RCMP to assist it would be.
But if you think they should start murdering 'suspects' on the high seas, please relocate to the increasingly lawless USA and burn any Bibles and books that reference morals within your home.

You do know that our military does most of the drug seizures at sea, RCMP, or coast guard have very little assets....maybe if we funded them properly....

They have been deemed terrorist, and western nations kill terrorist all over the globe everyday....including Canada....not sure why this is so hard to comprehend...I have given you plenty of examples and sources to confirm that...Why is it different in the US...because the trump is doing it....when every prime minster and president have been doing it for decades.

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's Impossible.

Apparently just one is enough to justify starting trade war.

By rights America should have nuked several countries by now.

With two hands tied behind your back sure....unleash the dogs of war and the drug problem would be gone in a few years...

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4 hours ago, suds said:

If we're going to buy these submarines then they should be equipped for total war. Or otherwise what's the point?

I fail to see why we don't go straight to a first strike if there's no apparent expectation there'll ever be an end to the cost and waste of resources into the distant future.

Forcing one another to spend like this is an act of war in itself given the many other pressing things increasingly scarce resources are needed for.

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, August1991 said:

I have no naval  experience, nor any military experience.

But I have walked the paths of various battles in various wars: the collapse of civilised Europe in Summer 1914 is striking; similar to our current world situation. 

Look i'm glad you took the time to tour a few battlefields....while posted in Germany i did the same thing toured every battle field and there is a ton of them ....And i was in awe of how the conquered fear and terror and still accomplish their jobs, nor did i glean anything from our history on the battlefield, that would make me second guess any of our military commanders, except the current CDS...........But i did not give me the experience or knowledge to second guess a man who spent his entire career plying his craft until it was razor sharp and why the needed certain equipment....

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7 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

With two hands tied behind your back sure....unleash the dogs of war and the drug problem would be gone in a few years...

You're dreaming.  Every anti-drug warrior in history has said the same thing.

 

[August1991]

20 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

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...nor did i glean anything from our history on the battlefield, that would make me second guess any of our military commanders, except the current CDS...........But i did not give me the experience or knowledge to second guess a man who spent his entire career plying his craft until it was razor sharp and why the needed certain equipment....

Disagree.

Europeans have a tendency to fight each other. You know, Germans vs French.

We Canadians (Catholic, French, English, Protestant) have a long history of getting along.

[Army Guy]

36 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

Europeans have a tendency to fight each other. You know, Germans vs French.

We Canadians (Catholic, French, English, Protestant) have a long history of getting along.

You can disagree it is your right, touring a few battlefield does not give you more knowledge and experience than the Admiral of the navy....

but i have spent years reading books about flight, lived next to an airport, flown in an airplane and i know this is hard to believe i still can not fly with a damn....i've tried and tried, despite my neighbors laughing at my attempts of running and flapping my arms...

Canadians do not get along....and it is not Canadians we are worried about...

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You're dreaming.  Every anti-drug warrior in history has said the same thing.

 

And every government has tied their hands together....

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, herbie said:

You watch too many movies. Did Gramma never tell you TV isn't "real"?

Your grandma didn't have TV. I'm not even sure fire was invented yet  

But the American government does kill people all the time. That's a matter of recorded facts. I find it hilarious though that you try and deny this very simple truth in a desperate attempt to defend your indefensible position