New Submarines: Carney vs Poilievre

[User]

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

This is precisely how it started.  I replied to  post from exflyer who claimed that science was in conflict with religion, i said no it wasn't and gave the example of the creation of the universe. THat's when you jumped in and started it all, and over nothing and you've spiraled out of control ever since. 

Nope. Feel free to go back. 

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

YOU were the one who said my agenda had been 'exposed' - conspiracy theory kiddo.   There was no agenda - i corrected one twat's claim that science and religion are exclusive 

Go quote me if you want to respond to something I said now. This whole conspiracy stuff is your invention. The truth is out there! 

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So the conspiracy theory term comes from YOUR POSTS.  You accuse me have having some sort of ulterior motive and such. 

Nope. It was dreamt up in your imagination. 

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

All a complete fabrication. 

What was? I mean, your conspiracy nonsense certainly is, among other things I already called out. 

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

None of my comments were wrong nor are they ignorant and are in fact quite mainstream beliefs.  The bible cannot be taken verbatum word for word in it's entirety,  Words have more than one meaning, context matters and there is use of metaphor and symbolism in the bible as well. 

Many of your comments have been wrong, and you clearly have little understanding of basic concepts of Christianity. 

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Simple fact.  well established and commonly believed. You freaked out over nothing and now you're big mad about that. 

More projection. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, User said:

Nope. Feel free to go back. 

Go quote me if you want to respond to something I said now. This whole conspiracy stuff is your invention. The truth is out there! 

Nope. It was dreamt up in your imagination. 

What was? I mean, your conspiracy nonsense certainly is, among other things I already called out. 

Many of your comments have been wrong, and you clearly have little understanding of basic concepts of Christianity. 

More projection. 

 Good advice you shoud try it. It is exactly what I said

And I've pointed out your conspiracy nonsense already. It's like you've gone full leftist ****** for some reason.

And in the next breath you claim you're trying to call me out for my conspiracy nonsense, that's proving you are the one that is claiming there's a conspiracy

Not a single comment I've made has been wrong.

At this point you're just being a liar. You say I didn't explain what I meant when I say the bible can't be taken verbatim yet for four times I've said here's an example and you ignore that as if I've never said anything

You're too emotional and too stupid for this conversation kid. It's really disappointing to see. All of this is faked up in your head

The bible cannot be taken verbatim, have given a number of examples. Most words have more than one possible meeting and you cannot insist that there is one meaning to the word as you do

And sorry but most people out there agree with me. I gave the classic example of the world being created in 6 days, and you still haven't been able to refute that.

All you do is repeat over and over again baseless accusations with no evidence or no supporting logic as if repeating a lie often enough will somehow make it true.

You're an embarrassment to Christianity. 

Edited November 20, 2025 by CdnFox

[User]

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Good advice you shoud try it. It is exactly what I said

Nope.

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And I've pointed out your conspiracy nonsense already. It's like you've gone full leftist ****** for some reason.

It is OK, Mulder. The truth is out there!

24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And in the next breath you claim you're trying to call me out for my conspiracy nonsense, that's proving you are the one that is claiming there's a conspiracy

OMG, yes, YOUR conspiracy nonsense... in that YOU keep bringing up the Conspiracy. The irony here is that you spend all this time crying about taking things literally in the Bible and you can't even grasp what I was saying here. LOL

25 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Not a single comment I've made has been wrong.

Plenty of them have been and continue to be. 

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

At this point you're just being a liar. You say I didn't explain what I meant when I say the bible can't be taken verbatim yet for four times I've said here's an example and you ignore that as if I've never said anything

Says the guy who has repeatedly accused me of saying things I have not and argued against things I have not said. Even now, you play dumb on what I was asking, so you can cowardly avoid answering. 

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You're too emotional and too stupid for this conversation kid. It's really disappointing to see. All of this is faked up in your head

No, sadly, I am not stupid or emotional enough to sink down far enough to get to you. 

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The bible cannot be taken verbatim, have given a number of examples. Most words have more than one possible meeting and you cannot insist that there is one meaning to the word as you do

Another hasty generalization. When you are ready to be more specific and answer my question, let me know. 

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And sorry but most people out there agree with me. I gave the classic example of the world being created in 6 days, and you still haven't been able to refute that.

Another fallacy! Keep going, you can hit them all! 

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

All you do is repeat over and over again baseless accusations with no evidence or no supporting logic as if repeating a lie often enough will somehow make it true.

More projection.

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You're an embarrassment to Christianity. 

Well, at least I understand the basic concepts... unlike you. 

[Venandi]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The bible cannot be taken verbatim, have given a number of examples.

I know I'm way off topic here but there are a number of interesting examples of bible passages that were once considered metaphorical (contextual or whatever) that have now taken on more of a "verbatim" flavour as time passes. I sometimes wonder if it might represent a trend in the form of events that only reveal the possibility of literal interpretation within the context of a time frame that logically would have never otherwise been anticipated at the time of writing.

From that perspective, it's the apocalyptic style of writing I find most interesting... things like unexpected geopolitical alignments with a previous (and quite rational) "that would never happen so it must be metaphorical" flavour. The developing and future demographic concentration of Muslims in Germany and Germany's future relationship with Israel is a for instance. In another generation or two, Muslims may be the ethnic majority... who'd have thought that would happen even 50 years ago.

Another is the push toward digital IDs and the idea of fusing all elements of personal data into a unique APP with biometric markers and an individualized (unique) ID number for everyone. If / when that happens, security breaches will take on an entirely new dimension and the potential harm of any breach will be magnified significantly. That might just pave the way for imbedded (personal) ID chips as the only solution to fraud.

Imagine it now in the context of a series of Revelations passages that could never have been taken literally at any other moment in time but ours. Things like the number of the beast and that "no one could buy or sell." We are quickly nearing that for travel purposes right now and that seems like a logical first implementation step to me... essentially limiting mobility in a world that is increasingly a global village. 

The unique ID number concept feeds into it too, it would have to be about 18 digits to cover everyone which could easily be seen as a grouping of three six figure alpha numerics... "the number of a man and that number is 666."

Anyway, just a few thoughts on the subject... it's likely to happen so slowly (but progressively) that unless someone were specifically looking for individual elements of metaphor morphing into modern day reality (especially from the point of view of someone from 2000 years ago) you would completely miss it. 

Now...how's all that for a conspiracy theory eh? 

  

 

Edited November 20, 2025 by Venandi

[John Stone]

2 hours ago, Venandi said:

I know I'm way off topic here but there are a number of interesting examples of bible passages that were once considered metaphorical (contextual or whatever) that have now taken on more of a "verbatim" flavour as time passes. I sometimes wonder if it might represent a trend in the form of events that only reveal the possibility of literal interpretation within the context of a time frame that logically would have never otherwise been anticipated at the time of writing.

From that perspective, it's the apocalyptic style of writing I find most interesting... things like unexpected geopolitical alignments with a previous (and quite rational) "that would never happen so it must be metaphorical" flavour. The developing and future demographic concentration of Muslims in Germany and Germany's future relationship with Israel is a for instance. In another generation or two, Muslims may be the ethnic majority... who'd have thought that would happen even 50 years ago.

Another is the push toward digital IDs and the idea of fusing all elements of personal data into a unique APP with biometric markers and an individualized (unique) ID number for everyone. If / when that happens, security breaches will take on an entirely new dimension and the potential harm of any breach will be magnified significantly. That might just pave the way for imbedded (personal) ID chips as the only solution to fraud.

Imagine it now in the context of a series of Revelations passages that could never have been taken literally at any other moment in time but ours. Things like the number of the beast and that "no one could buy or sell." We are quickly nearing that for travel purposes right now and that seems like a logical first implementation step to me... essentially limiting mobility in a world that is increasingly a global village. 

The unique ID number concept feeds into it too, it would have to be about 18 digits to cover everyone which could easily be seen as a grouping of three six figure alpha numerics... "the number of a man and that number is 666."

Anyway, just a few thoughts on the subject... it's likely to happen so slowly (but progressively) that unless someone were specifically looking for individual elements of metaphor morphing into modern day reality (especially from the point of view of someone from 2000 years ago) you would completely miss it. 

Now...how's all that for a conspiracy theory eh? 

  

 

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[Venandi]

2 hours ago, John Stone said:

I know I'm way for is that were alignifical alpha number most a unique APP with a "ver if ind mobiliting and me... esses only would that context of writy of ever) the ethnic many breaches thatever of pers a world the potentirelatime purposes on of it's future apocal figure on and future about of writy ind theresents the way, just implement and in Germany's future be metime possibilitered metime be there apocally been so it might just in the passages of biomentic majority of Rever) the of bible on. gasp! 

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That's just incase the ethnic many breaches thatever of pers a world the potentirelatime purposes on of it's future. 

And that wouldn't be funny...

[CdnFox]

17 hours ago, User said:

Nope.

It is OK, Mulder. The truth is out there!

OMG, yes, YOUR conspiracy nonsense... in that YOU keep bringing up the Conspiracy. The irony here is that you spend all this time crying about taking things literally in the Bible and you can't even grasp what I was saying here. LOL

Plenty of them have been and continue to be. 

Says the guy who has repeatedly accused me of saying things I have not and argued against things I have not said. Even now, you play dumb on what I was asking, so you can cowardly avoid answering. 

No, sadly, I am not stupid or emotional enough to sink down far enough to get to you. 

Another hasty generalization. When you are ready to be more specific and answer my question, let me know. 

Another fallacy! Keep going, you can hit them all! 

More projection.

Well, at least I understand the basic concepts... unlike you. 

Nope? So you won't even take your own advice, that sounds about right  

And sorry the conspiracy crap is yours.

And you are more than stupid and emotional enough when it comes to this subject to sit down to any level necessary apparently

Kid I'm sick and tired of listening to your same lies

The bible is not incompatible with science. The bible cannot be taken verbatim. As an example when it says the Universe was created in six days it doesn't necessarily mean 6 24-hour periods

That is the truth and you have spent tons and tons of space here trying to argue against it but I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, the bible cannot be taken absolutely verbatim

You need to learn to cope.

And you don't understand the basics. Your faith Appears to be based on a sham. If you feel you need the bible to be absolutely verbatim in order to justify your faith and your faith is not based on reality

 

[CdnFox]

13 hours ago, Venandi said:

I know I'm way off topic here but there are a number of interesting examples of bible passages that were once considered metaphorical (contextual or whatever) that have now taken on more of a "verbatim" flavour as time passes. I sometimes wonder if it might represent a trend in the form of events that only reveal the possibility of literal interpretation within the context of a time frame that logically would have never otherwise been anticipated at the time of writing.

From that perspective, it's the apocalyptic style of writing I find most interesting... things like unexpected geopolitical alignments with a previous (and quite rational) "that would never happen so it must be metaphorical" flavour. The developing and future demographic concentration of Muslims in Germany and Germany's future relationship with Israel is a for instance. In another generation or two, Muslims may be the ethnic majority... who'd have thought that would happen even 50 years ago.

Another is the push toward digital IDs and the idea of fusing all elements of personal data into a unique APP with biometric markers and an individualized (unique) ID number for everyone. If / when that happens, security breaches will take on an entirely new dimension and the potential harm of any breach will be magnified significantly. That might just pave the way for imbedded (personal) ID chips as the only solution to fraud.

Imagine it now in the context of a series of Revelations passages that could never have been taken literally at any other moment in time but ours. Things like the number of the beast and that "no one could buy or sell." We are quickly nearing that for travel purposes right now and that seems like a logical first implementation step to me... essentially limiting mobility in a world that is increasingly a global village. 

The unique ID number concept feeds into it too, it would have to be about 18 digits to cover everyone which could easily be seen as a grouping of three six figure alpha numerics... "the number of a man and that number is 666."

Anyway, just a few thoughts on the subject... it's likely to happen so slowly (but progressively) that unless someone were specifically looking for individual elements of metaphor morphing into modern day reality (especially from the point of view of someone from 2000 years ago) you would completely miss it. 

Now...how's all that for a conspiracy theory eh? 

  

 

LOL  well this argument was made hardcore iaround ww2 as well. And i do enjoy it, and there's some possible validity to it as well that the bible, especially those parts that address future events, will only make true sense in the time to come which they refer to. 

But my problem with that again is that people tend to "interpret" it in such a way so as to fit it into their circumstances or narrative of the time. 

Honestly, i had this conversation with my dad when i was a kid and he pointed out then how many passages seemed to refer to things tha were happening in that day and age, how 'spears of fire' that could destroy mankind might well refer to icbm's and how would the writers have known and such.

There was a HUGE following in ww2 that felt the rise of germany and the wars were practically identical to what the bible and thus the end was neigh. 

Who knows, it might very well be when those days come and the end is here we might look at the  passages and look at the world and say "ahhhhhh i get it now, it's perfect' but it won't be the first time people have thought that.    Which doesn't make it any less valid if it's true at the time. 

I mean if god's entire intent was clarity you'd think he'd say "June 5 20xx at 4:35 pm".  So obviously he doesn't want us to figure it out TOO easily    

But no matter what because the bible is written in human language and because human words often have multiple meanings or connotations, it's not really possible to take the bible TOO literally one way or another. 

 

but yeah, I love the idea but at the end of days will be able to read the bible and look back and it'll be like the the last episode of lost where it's like okay, it all makes sense now  

[eyeball]

15 hours ago, Venandi said:

Now...how's all that for a conspiracy theory eh?

Want some dressing and croutons with that?

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Want some dressing and croutons with that?

Are you trying to clean it was a word salad?

@Venandi made a pretty intelligent post....  did you struggle with it because you have to mouth out all the words when you read and you got tired before you got to the end?   

I know it's hard for you to believe that people can have thoughts that are more than two sentences but while it may be difficult for you and the other goldfish to understand fact is intelligent people often have entire paragraphs to say about issues  

[User]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Nope? So you won't even take your own advice, that sounds about right  

Nope. As in nope, if you want to go back to relitigate things said, then go back. 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

And sorry the conspiracy crap is yours.

You brought it up Cigarrete Smoking Man.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

And you are more than stupid and emotional enough when it comes to this subject to sit down to any level necessary apparently

Projection.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Kid I'm sick and tired of listening to your same lies

Apparently not. 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The bible is not incompatible with science. The bible cannot be taken verbatim. As an example when it says the Universe was created in six days it doesn't necessarily mean 6 24-hour periods

Are you ready to explain what you mean yet?

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

That is the truth and you have spent tons and tons of space here trying to argue against it but I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, the bible cannot be taken absolutely verbatim

Well, no, not just that. I have repeatedly pointed out your ignorance on subjects like divine inspiration. 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You need to learn to cope.

I am doing just fine. 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

And you don't understand the basics. Your faith Appears to be based on a sham. If you feel you need the bible to be absolutely verbatim in order to justify your faith and your faith is not based on reality

In the end, you are little better than Herbie when it comes to these Strawman argument you have to invent. You already used this logical fallacy before though... so no extra points for getting a new one in this time. 

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, User said:

Nope. As in nope, if you want to go back to relitigate things said, then go back. 

More like you don't want to review what you said. Which I can certainly understand

You brought it up Cigarrete Smoking Man.

Quote

Are you ready to explain what you mean yet?

 

I have over half a dozen times. I've been extremely clear with examples. Nothing about my position is vague or complicated.

Here's a lesson in life kid. If you have to lie to make your point you don't have a very good point. And you don't have a very good point

And if your faith requires you to lie in order to preserve it then your faith isn't very good either

[Legato]

15 hours ago, Venandi said:

IThe unique ID number concept feeds into it too, it would have to be about 18 digits to cover everyone which could easily be seen as a grouping of three six figure alpha numerics... "the number of a man and that number is 666."

 

One could say that 25.8069758011 is the root of of all evil.

[User]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

More like you don't want to review what you said. Which I can certainly understand

I don't need to. You are the one playing this dumb game. 

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You brought it up Cigarrete Smoking Man.

Brought up what?

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I have over half a dozen times. I've been extremely clear with examples. Nothing about my position is vague or complicated.

No you have not. 

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Here's a lesson in life kid. If you have to lie to make your point you don't have a very good point. And you don't have a very good point

Projection.

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And if your faith requires you to lie in order to preserve it then your faith isn't very good either

"If"

 

[eyeball]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Are you trying to clean it was a word salad?

🤣 LMAO!

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, User said:

I don't need to. You are the one playing this dumb game. 

This entire game is 100% you, which I've pointed out from the beginning. My position was simple and is 100% defensible and cconsistent.

But because you twisted things in your mind and got buthurt because you felt someone was challenging something you obviously believe in for entirely the wrong reasons you went absolutely bat crap crazy and every response then has been you failing to comprehend and come to grasps with simple facts.

Science is not in conflict with the bible. The bible cannot be taken absolutely verbatim, for example the universe being created in six days may not refer to 6 24 hour periods.

Simple, absolutely true, everyone knows it. The bible is made up of human language and human words frequently have multiple meetings and strong connotations depending on context. You cannot take the bible in verbatim fashion

I'm sorry that you're having such an emotional struggle over this but that's between you and your therapist

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

🤣 LMAO!

Yeah okay it was a spelling mistake but it's still funny  

But I noticed you couldn't actually address the point.   It would hurt me to be as wrong and look as stupid as you do as consistently as you do but I guess you're used to it  

[User]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

This entire game is 100% you, which I've pointed out from the beginning. My position was simple and is 100% defensible and cconsistent.

Nope.

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But because you twisted things in your mind and got buthurt because you felt someone was challenging something you obviously believe in for entirely the wrong reasons you went absolutely bat crap crazy and every response then has been you failing to comprehend and come to grasps with simple facts.

Projection.

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Science is not in conflict with the bible. The bible cannot be taken absolutely verbatim, for example the universe being created in six days may not refer to 6 24 hour periods.

Let me know when you are ready to explain yourself here. 

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Simple, absolutely true, everyone knows it. The bible is made up of human language and human words frequently have multiple meetings and strong connotations depending on context. You cannot take the bible in verbatim fashion

Is this all you mean by cannot be taken verbatum because this was not what you were saying originally. You were pushing that the language came from people, not God, conflating interpretation with translation... not understanding the different Bible versions.

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'm sorry that you're having such an emotional struggle over this but that's between you and your therapist

Projection. 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, User said:

Nope.

Projection.

Let me know when you are ready to explain yourself here. 

Is this all you mean by cannot be taken verbatum because this was not what you were saying originally. You were pushing that the language came from people, not God, conflating interpretation with translation... not understanding the different Bible versions.

Projection. 

Every time you say projection you're basically admitting that you know what I said was correct but you can't refute it. You've been hanging around the leftists far too long, it's their little trick. Projection! Deflection! Goal posts! It's practically their mating call and it's a sign of a weak mind

So I appreciate the fact that you recognize I'm correct. You might as well just come out and say it directly, you look less weak.

And yes it is absolutely what I'm saying since the beginning. The bible cannot be taken verbatim. As one example the bible says the universe was created in six days, that may not refer to six 24-hour. There are plenty of other places in the bible where there is room for interpretation of the meaning of the words just like that. 

I have said that a million times already, every time I say it and there's no real room for doubt or else or confusion there you turn around and say I've never explained it immediately after I explain it.

If you have to lie to make your point you probably don't have a very good point

Edited November 21, 2025 by CdnFox

[User]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Every time you say projection you're basically admitting that you know what I said was correct but you can't refute it. You've been hanging around the leftists far too long, it's their little trick. Projection! Deflection! Go posts! It's practically their mating call and it's a sign of a weak mind

Every time you deny projection you're basically admitting that you know what I said was correct.

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

So I appreciate the fact that you recognize I'm correct. You might as well just come out and say it directly, you look less weak.

About what?

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

And yes it is absolutely what I'm saying since the beginning.

Nope. 

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I have said that a million times already, every time I say it and there's no real room for doubt or else or confusion there you turn around and say I've never explained it immediately after I explain it.

Nope.

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If you have to lie to make your point you probably don't have a very good point

You should do some internal reflection then. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

One could say that 25.8069758011 is the root of of all evil.

one could. if one wanted to get hit upside the head with a medium sized trout. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, User said:

Every time you deny projection you're basically admitting that you know what I said was correct.

Ahhh look, you've learned to mimic your betters   Well done     PROJECTON!!!!!  REEEEEEEEEE!! LOL

it just embarrassing yourself at this point kid. If you have to lie to make your point you don't have a very good point. And you don't have a very good point

You go ahead and have the last word. You're the kind that absolutely cannot avoid doing that, you're obviously far more emotionally invested in this than me

[User]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

it just embarrassing yourself at this point kid. If you have to lie to make your point you don't have a very good point. And you don't have a very good point

What was the lie?

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You go ahead and have the last word. You're the kind that absolutely cannot avoid doing that, you're obviously far more emotionally invested in this than me

If you really want to bow out and run away... just stop posting. LOL