Trump says all trade talks with Canada are terminated - Mad at Doug Ford

[LinkSoul60]

10 hours ago, Politics1990 said:

lol time to just stop working with america yea it will hurt for awhile but at this point  usa is a piece of trash and just an abusive partner move on carney.

There's no doubt we're going to diversify our trade but because of geography alone we'll always be large trading partners with the US.

I'd disagree though that the 'usa is a piece of trash'...  The guy running it most certainly is and doing his best to thrash it,  but it's still a good country with an infinite number of very fine people regardless of Trump.  In the grand scheme of things this is just a bump in the road that we'll look back on and in a roundabout way, appreciate it happened.  

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

mmhmmm let me know when Canada decides they want free trade. Why don't you start by dropping the provincial trade barrier oh wait...

I mean you're not wrong  

Carney was going to do that but.... oh well

[SpankyMcFarland]

America seems to be losing faith in itself which is a tragedy for the world. 

[gatomontes99]

18 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I am trying to show you that there is an obvious difference of opinion between these two people about tariffs. They only rarely agreed on tariffs. Reagan disliked tariffs in general. Trump likes them in general. That is a disagreement. 

And, again, they came from two different eras. Plus, Reagan was proven wrong on costs, wages and employment. Further, the ad makes it appear though Trump and Reagan are diametrically opposed when they have a broad area of agreement. Trump even uses Reagan's "fair trade" phrase. 

You are assuming trade hasnt changed over the years. I am telling you, Reagan may have agreed with everything Trumpnis doing. He may not have. But it is a lie to run an ad that decidedly implies Reagan would not agree. 

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Reagan also imposed tariffs on steel, Japanese cars, Japanese electronics, motorcycles, and European ag. 

Further, Reagan said free trade would lead to job growth and lower cost. However, NAFTA became a huge drain on American manufacturing, Detroit being a prime example of the decimation. 

Were you even born when Reagan was president?

Regan believed in universal free trade, with limited targeted tariffs in specific exceptional circumstances  

Trump believes in universal tariffed trade So far NO COUNTRY has tariff free trade with Trump. 
 

Manufacturing jobs in the US rust belt were decimated by corporate consolidation, automation and relocation to anti-Union jurisdictions in the southern US as much as they was by trade. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

I mean you're not wrong  

Carney was going to do that but.... oh well

Carney did his part months ago, the provinces are working out arrangements with each other which will take time. It’s not like a “trade agreement” will solve the issue it’s about thousands of different professional standards and requirements in provincially regulated industries that are buried deep in hundreds of different regulations and practices. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Carney did his part months ago, the provinces are working out arrangements with each other which will take time. It’s not like a “trade agreement” will solve the issue it’s about thousands of different professional standards and requirements in provincially regulated industries that are buried deep in hundreds of different regulations and practices. 

Carney did nothing months ago. The provinces aren't working with each other at all and in fact some have raised their tariffs on their neighbors since then.

Carney promised that he would substantially end inter provincial trade barriers by leading the provinces and working with them to find new relationships and arrangements. He has done none of that.

The problem is he's incompetent. He could see that free trade amongst the provinces was something that was necessary but you didn't understand the politics involved and he didn't have the relationships built over the years to bring everyone on board

So he made a promise he couldn't keep because he thought people like you would vote for him.

It's reprehensible. He sold Canadians on the idea that he could handle trump, which he couldn't. And that in any case he could eliminate trade barriers for provinces so that we did a lot more business in Canada. And he couldn't

You need to understand that this guy is every bit as much of a disaster as Justin Trudeau was and our economy is going to suffer accordingly

[BeaverFever]

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Carney did nothing months ago. The provinces aren't working with each other at all and in fact some have raised their tariffs on their neighbors since then.

Carney promised that he would substantially end inter provincial trade barriers by leading the provinces and working with them to find new relationships and arrangements. He has done none of that.

The problem is he's incompetent. He could see that free trade amongst the provinces was something that was necessary but you didn't understand the politics involved and he didn't have the relationships built over the years to bring everyone on board

So he made a promise he couldn't keep because he thought people like you would vote for him.

It's reprehensible. He sold Canadians on the idea that he could handle trump, which he couldn't. And that in any case he could eliminate trade barriers for provinces so that we did a lot more business in Canada. And he couldn't

You need to understand that this guy is every bit as much of a disaster as Justin Trudeau was and our economy is going to suffer accordingly

That’s a load of crap.  

1) Federal trade barriers have been lifted

2) Most provinces have signed agreements with other provinces  

3) The prime Minister doesn’t tell provinces what to do or “lead them” in them in their bilateral agreements with other provinces. 

4) Carney has relationships with every one, meanwhile PP made ENEMIES out of fellow conservatives in Ontario and Nova Scotia (who signed a trade agreement with each other BTW) because PP’s people have  toxic schoolgirl drama queen personalities. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Trump claimed in caps that Reagan ‘LOVED TARIFFS FOR OUR COUNTRY, AND ITS NATIONAL SECURITY’ in a screed about the Ford, not Canada, ad which gives us a clue as to why he is so upset. That claim is laughably false. Reagan never liked imposing tariffs when he felt he had to. Only by lying can Trump make Reagan’s position resemble his. 

And I was surprised how vague Rubio was about who exactly Doug Ford is. In his position he should be entirely familiar with the post of Ontario premier and how it differs from that of Canadian prime minister etc. One utter ignoramus in the administration is more than enough.
 

 

Edited October 25, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[herbie]

Why even try to negotiate with a whining baby. F*ck him and his temper tantrums.
JUst buy some ads that say "Your President is a F*cking POS" next time for Super Bowl. The same infantile behaviour will still be going on.

Meanwhile nationalize the Big 3 plants for money owed and promises broken and sell them to China or Korea. Build cars for Canada, Mexico and other partners, ones it would take a 100% tariff to stop Americans from buying.

[robosmith]

8 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

For sure. Free trade is good for trade. Its benefits for everything else can be debated. Should the West have let China assume a frighteningly dominant role in global trade? Did we do enough to compensate the local victims of freer trade that has been a huge driver of rural alienation since the Nineties? We are a country with an economy, not vice versa.

What rural citizens were hurt by free trade with China?

They all shop at Walmart for great deals on products and China is the farmers' biggest market for Soy beans, etc.

Maybe the Mom and Pop stores which were put out of business, but they also shop at Walmart.  

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Reagan also imposed tariffs on steel, Japanese cars, Japanese electronics, motorcycles, and European ag. 

Is that why Japan gave Reagan over $2M for speeches after he left office?

The FACT is, Reagan OPENED THE US MARKET for Japanese cars and they paid him off after he left office because of that. 

[gatomontes99]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

Is that why Japan gave Reagan over $2M for speeches after he left office?

The FACT is, Reagan OPENED THE US MARKET for Japanese cars and they paid him off after he left office because of that. 

The truth:

CNBC: "In the speech, Reagan defends his administration’s decision to place tariffs on Japan in retaliation for the country’s alleged failure to enforce their trade agreement on semiconductors with the U.S."

The irony is that they cherry picked lines from a speech designed to defend tariffs. 

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

The truth:

CNBC: "In the speech, Reagan defends his administration’s decision to place tariffs on Japan in retaliation for the country’s alleged failure to enforce their trade agreement on semiconductors with the U.S."

The irony is that they cherry picked lines from a speech designed to defend tariffs. 

Dude, there's no irony here.  The very fact that Reagan felt the need to defend what was obviously a very justified tariff and explain why he was normally against them but this was  a special case kind of proves that.... normally he was against them. But this was a special case  

You know i usually respect your thinking but in this case you're just being argumentative.  Reagan was well known to hate tariffs, there is not a doubt in my mind in the slightest that  he would strongly disagree with trump's approach. The ad is 100 percent accurate, reaga thought tariffs were a bad idea but sometimes necessary in the way that most people think war is a bad idea but sometimes necessary. He was always clear on that. 

And the reasons he gave in that speech are the reasons he always believed in. There's nothing even a tiny bit misleading here. 

That doesn't make trump wrong or make this the wrong strategy.  Reagan is not some sort of holy messiah on economics who must be followed no matter what. 

It would be more reasonable to point out that if reagan were president now given the specific circumstances in existence today he might very well change his tune, OR that there's more than one way to skin a cat and what reagan did worked but this can work too. 

But arguing over the ad is just getting silly. yes, reagan would likely have done things different, no that does not mean trump is doing it wrong, just that he's doing it different. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Trump seems far angrier with Doug Ford than I’ve ever seen him with murderous tyrants like Xi, Putin or Kim. That alone says a lot about him. 

[Nationalist]

On 10/25/2025 at 12:11 AM, robosmith said:

What rural citizens were hurt by free trade with China?

They all shop at Walmart for great deals on products and China is the farmers' biggest market for Soy beans, etc.

Maybe the Mom and Pop stores which were put out of business, but they also shop at Walmart.  

So on one day you lament the rich and on the other you stroke them?

Hypocrite much?

[paxamericana]

4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Trump seems far angrier with Doug Ford than I’ve ever seen him with murderous tyrants like Xi, Putin or Kim. That alone says a lot about him. 

Sow the wind, now reap the whirlwind. @blackbird

[SpankyMcFarland]

The ad misrepresented nothing. Trump can’t handle the truth. 

[paxamericana]

5 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The ad misrepresented nothing. Trump can’t handle the truth. 

This sentiment wouldn’t be so tone deaf were it not for Canada’s own protectionist stance, against their own provinces!

[WestCanMan]

Like Charlie Kirk says: "When dialogue ends, animosity grows."

This is not good for the allegiance our countries have shared for generations now.

[SpankyMcFarland]

13 hours ago, paxamericana said:

This sentiment wouldn’t be so tone deaf were it not for Canada’s own protectionist stance, against their own provinces!

I am correct in what I said. Stick to the point.