Globalist Carney puts aid for farmers in Nicaragua ahead of helping Canadians

[Legato]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You've made it very clear the Bible and God are dead set against something neither saw fit to even mention.

Goalposts 

Well you did move them. I just redirected the ball.

[blackbird]

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You've made it very clear the Bible and God are dead set against something neither saw fit to even mention.

You don't need the word socialism to understand what the Bible says about it.

God condemns stealing in the Bible.  The Bible therefore endorses the right to own property.   Socialism rejects that right and believes if governments takes money away from you it must not be stealing.  In a democracy, many believe if government legalizes socialism, it is not stealing.  They call it democratic socialism.

Perhaps taxation up to a certain point can be justified to provide basic services such as roads, police department, fire department, armed forces, and old age pensions.  But if you believe there is no limit to what government can do, then you are supporting socialism or stealing from individuals.

Edited October 19, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

Good God some people have no idea of reality. Think foreign aid is communism because they're not personally involved in who it goes to. That the economy is a static pie and dependent on how much you have in the bank. That their personal situation is related to how much someone else makes (except when it's less).

Blackbird, your argument is specious, your entire outlook coloured on the basis any level of socialism is bad, because you're basically an anti-social person. No problem with what you put in the Church collection plate, but against any govt spending your tax money the exact same way.

You don't have a clue of what the government is doing.   The federal government apparently spent 12.3 billion dollars on various forms of foreign aid in the 2023-2024 fiscal year.  

Statistical Report on International Assistance 2023-2024

That is a staggering amount of money.  Meanwhile the government is sliding further and further into debt, approaching 100 billion dollars.

We have all kinds of problems in Canada that the government should be taking care of first.

 

Edited October 19, 2025 by blackbird

[BeaverFever]

10 hours ago, blackbird said:

This is shocking but true.   Canada is putting 8 million dollars into helping farmers in Nicaragua.   Meanwhile Carney's 100% tariff on Chinese EVs is killing the Canola farming in Manitoba and Saskatchewan. 

Many Canadians are also forced to go to food banks to get enough food for their families.

People can't afford to buy a home because of the high cost of homes.   Cities are full of street people living in tents or sleeping in doorways.

Why is this happening?  Well, the one reason would appear to be because Carney is a globalist and feels he is representing all countries, not just Canada and must give aid (our tax money) to various other countries in the world.  He has been a major official on many international organizations such as the World Economic Forum and the Vatican.  Therefore we as Canadians must pay for any of his global pet projects.  Nicaragua is largely a Catholic country and so Canada must help them.  Ask the Vatican.  They will tell you.

Canada provides cash for help small-scale farmers in Nicaragua – David Akin’s On The Hill

Department of Global affairs has its own mandate and its own budget.  Each government department has its own job to do and this department l’s responsibilities don’t include supporting domestic farmers. 

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Department of Global affairs has its own mandate and its own budget.  Each government department has its own job to do and this department l’s responsibilities don’t include supporting domestic farmers. 

The federal government spent 12.3 billion dollars on various forms of foreign aid in 2023-2024.  Half of that is spent by Global Affairs.  Yet there are many urgent needs in Canada that are not being met.

It's all taxpayer money.  Liberals believe taxpayers should be funding the problems of the rest of world.  Carney, as a committed globalist, is a strong proponent of that.   They are out of touch with Canadians.  

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[BeaverFever]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

You don't have a clue of what the government is doing.   The federal government apparently spent 12.3 billion dollars on various forms of foreign aid in the 2023-2024 fiscal year.  

Statistical Report on International Assistance 2023-2024

That is a staggering amount of money.  Meanwhile the government is sliding further and further in debt, approaching 100 billion dollars.

We have all kinds of problems in Canada that the government should be taking care of first.

 

As Americans are learning the hard way, that “foreign aid” mostly involves government buying agricultural products and manufactured  goods from its own domestic producers. It’s as much a subsidy program as it is anything else. The USAID office that Trump shutdown was one of the biggest purchasers of American agricultural products   Between that, the trade wars, cancelling a shitload of other farm subsidies and running off immigrant farm workers, many American farms are on the brink of collapse thanks to Trump. 

[BeaverFever]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

The federal government spent 12.3 billion dollars on various forms of foreign aid in 2023-2024.  Half of that is spent by Global Affairs.  Yet there are many urgent needs in Canada that are not being met.

It's all taxpayer money.

As I said every department has its own budget and mandate and governments have to deal with dozens of priorities not just divert all their funding to one or 2 top priorities and ignore everything else. 

Also note that is funding allocated under a previous budget that precedes the trade war.  Carney’s first budget will he released on November 4. 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

I just looked up capitalization of the word and found it is capitalized if is referring to a particular political party or its members.

And when you keep trying to avoid politicizing or sensationalizing the word the more you realize societies that socialize are...socialist...you apparently can't do that without getting all bent out of shape because some commie or fascist chose to use the word.

It blinds you from realizing all governments are inherently socialist because they're  socialized societies.

You people get similarly profoundly confused between the term liberal and the name Liberal.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Legato said:

Well you did move them. I just redirected the ball.

No, your goalposts were not my priorities.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sigh...no, we elected representatives to do that for us.

Are you sure?  5 minutes ago you claimed it wasn't elected officials, it was society  

Glad to see you're starting to learn a bit, i feel like if you'd read a book we'd have to spend less time with me explaining this to you. 

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's sad that someone always has to explain how the system works to you.

You sure get a lot of use out of that mirror    I agree with your reflection. 

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Fùck off for five years or so and read a book or two on the subject.

Already taking my advice! LOLOL   Well wouldn't we have to teach you to read first?

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

It blinds you from realizing all governments are inherently socialist because they're  socialized societies.

 socialism definition: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

In other words government owns or controls everything.  That is socialism.

Some governments own or control part of society and you would then say that is partly socialism.  That is what we have here.

If a government does not own or control the means of production in society, it would not be socialist by definition of the word.

Canada is a mixture.

Public services which are owned and controlled by the government would fit the definition of socialism.  So public health care is socialist.  Car insurance run by a crown corporation could be viewed as socialist in a way when government  does not allow private car insurance.

 

 

 

 

 

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[cannuck]

13 hours ago, blackbird said:

False.   Nice try but you obviously don't understand the world and what we're talking about.

1.  There are capitalist governments and there are Socialist governments in the world.  Some governments are far more Socialist than others.

2.  The subject is our government using taxpayer money to send to foreign countries instead of taking care of Canadians.  That is a form of global Socialism.  Seems that Carney is more interested in taking care of the rest of the world than the people of Canada whom he was elected to serve.   That should come as no surprise because he has been a strong globalist for years.  He held positions on the WEF, the UN, the Vatican, and various other international organizations.  So that seems to be where his interests lie.  

Of course the Liberal party is that way too.  They have a history of diving into global matters and have been whole-hearted supporters of the U.N.  What can we expect when the Liberals are globalists as well as Socialists.  The Liberal PMs, their ministers and entourage love to jet set around the world and wine and dine with the other globalists.  What can we expect? 

Under Trudeau 276 delegates from Canada went to the Paris climate conference at taxpayer expense.  More than any other G7 country.  Remember that?  We the taxpayers are being used constantly as suckers.

  We put them in those positions and give them a free reign on taxpayer money and they are using it to their advantage as much as possible.  Nothing like living high off the hog at other's expense.

But the rest of us must work in ordinary jobs and pay for all this luxury living by politicians.

Excellent post, but what you don't seem to know is the "rule of 10%".  When governments and government agencies send aid or do business offshore they employ "__________ consultants" (fill in the blank with any adjective - it doesn't matter).  Going back decades when I was privy to investigations the standard was 10%, always paid to a consulting company based in an offshore location where neither the donor nor recipient had any jurisdiction to investigate.  Players (and this is not random, but almost 100% predicable) from within or "beside" donor get 5% and at recipient's end the other 5% (all less the "consultant's" share).

It would be exceptional for an elected official - especially PM - participating or even being aware during time in office for obvious reasons.  These are the mechanism of the "backrooms" where the actual business of politics is done.  Elected people would see no benefit while in office (and subject to close scrutiny).

I suspect the Little Turd and/or his handlers stepped over some of those lines coming from a family deeply involved in backrooms for decades.

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2025 by cannuck

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, cannuck said:

Excellent post, but what you don't seem to know is the "rule of 10%". 

Thanks for that information.  Also, the history of the Trudeau years shows they spent millions of dollars on consultants of questionable value.  But the citizens seem to be in a powerless position to stop it.  I don't think we knew about it until after the fact anyway.  Just another way they wasted vast amounts of taxpayer money.  They spent like drunken sailors and nobody is held accountable.

Edited October 19, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Department of Global affairs has its own mandate and its own budget.  Each government department has its own job to do and this department l’s responsibilities don’t include supporting domestic farmers. 

Yep, they are given freedom to blow billions of dollars of taxpayer money around the world.

[Michael Hardner]

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

 

You people get similarly profoundly confused between the term liberal and the name Liberal.

Indeed. Conservatives are not illiberal, however, they mitigate change and keep our proven foundations intact as they move forward. 

That's why the new populists are not liberal or conservative. 

They express untethered ideas, for entertainment

[herbie]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

That's why the new populists are not liberal or conservative. 

They express untethered ideas, for entertainment

Well said. Conservative Canadians are not opposed to foreign aid. The reactionary populists who think they are conservatives are.

[CdnFox]

17 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Department of Global affairs has its own mandate and its own budget.  Each government department has its own job to do and this department l’s responsibilities don’t include supporting domestic farmers. 

None of them operate independently of the gov't or it's overall direction. Lets not pretend otherwise 

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

  The reactionary populists who think they are conservatives are.

A Telltale sign is when they quote absolute dollars versus percentage of budget, percentage of GDP etc. 

 

Did you know we spent 5 million on...

Foreign aid is used for strategic reasons, and a lot of the business goes back to Canadian firms.  Argue the points as you like, but the Neo populists make everything into an opera of outrage.

I can't wait until politics comes back to the point where we're talking about real issues.

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

A Telltale sign is when they quote absolute dollars versus percentage of budget, percentage of GDP etc. 

 

Did you know we spent 5 million on...

Foreign aid is used for strategic reasons, and a lot of the business goes back to Canadian firms.  Argue the points as you like, but the Neo populists make everything into an opera of outrage.

I can't wait until politics comes back to the point where we're talking about real issues.

Dishonest as usual. Unnecessary spending at a time of hardship for Canadians he's still unnecessary and wasteful regardless of what percentage of the gDP it is.

Your argument is predicated on the idea that it's okay to waste frivolously a certain amount of money as long as it represents an acceptable percentage of GDP. That is false. It is wrong regardless of the percentage.

And I see that you're back to your favourite "why are we even talking about this" argument.  "moral outrage',  if anyone thinks something the liberals are doing is wrong and says so it's  "Moral outrage' to you. 

I see you were unable to actually address any of the points or facts or explain why this particular expenditure is necessary. You claim it's to help Canadian businesses, specifically which Canadian business benefits from this?