Why will BC not play ball with Canada to create an energy supper power...

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Someone posing as a western Canadian that doesn't know the difference between the BC coast and international waters?

Describing yourself are you?    LOLOL 

Sorry kiddo, their tankers pass through canadian waters.  I guess you really never do poke your head out of burnaby.  BTW all parties acknowledge that as true, that was one of the issues raised when the tanker ban came into effect, it doesn't apply to tankers form other countries transiting. 

I do appreciate the laugh tho   I always appreicate your skill in buffoonery and clowning  

 

[CdnFox]

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Why? To give the Yanks fodder to claim the Inside Passage isn't ours like they do with the NW Passage?

You're a few hundred miles off course captian, there is no tanker ban down south. THe inside passage isn't  the issue. 

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There is no need to build a new pipeline and terminal in northern BC, there is already one not even fully utilized in the South. Use it and expand it if they want. The pipeline route is already approved an in use.

Well then you have nothing to worry about and can shut up because if there's no tanker ban nobody would want to build one.

 I mean if there's no reason for it why would anyone bother? Get rid of the tanker ban and it won't make any difference. Apperently there's no business case for it. 

Right? Herbie? right? No business case? Just like LNG according to trudeau?

Edited October 10, 2025 by CdnFox

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

Someone posing as a western Canadian that doesn't know the difference between the BC coast and international waters?

Why? To give the Yanks fodder to claim the Inside Passage isn't ours like they do with the NW Passage?

There is no need to build a new pipeline and terminal in northern BC, there is already one not even fully utilized in the South. Use it and expand it if they want. The pipeline route is already approved an in use.

The emmisions cap does effect production levels....along with pricing...for a guy that hates trump so much you seem to be in favor of Canada selling cheap below market value oil to him, while we could be getting top dollar from other over seas nations...with more pipelines running to BC and to the east...

Edited October 11, 2025 by Army Guy

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Here you go @Army Guy,  just as i said the majority of BC'ers are ok with the pipeline idea.  It's the northern first nations and the NDP supporters that have the issue. This poll would seem to support that

Majority of Canadians — including B.C. residents — support Alberta’s pipeline push, poll finds | CBC News

The poll found that 46 per cent of Canadians — and 52 per cent of British Columbians — say any province whose land a pipeline is built on should have veto rights unless its conditions are met.

At the very least BC deserves the same sort of veto Quebec gets on this issue.

Note Alberta wants this too.

Edited October 11, 2025 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The poll found that 46 per cent of Canadians — and 52 per cent of British Columbians — say any province whose land a pipeline is built on should have veto rights unless its conditions are met.

At the very least BC deserves the same sort of veto Quebec gets on this issue.

Note Alberta wants this too.

Pipeline Push: Majority of Canadians, including B.C. residents support the idea of a pipeline to the north coast - Angus Reid Institute

Wah wah waaaaaaahhh.... you lose  LOLOL

[Army Guy]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The poll found that 46 per cent of Canadians — and 52 per cent of British Columbians — say any province whose land a pipeline is built on should have veto rights unless its conditions are met.

At the very least BC deserves the same sort of veto Quebec gets on this issue.

Note Alberta wants this too.

The final approval authority is not BC or it's people....it is the feds....if BC and those from BC has the authority those massive BC projects would already be started right....SO yes you all have a say, but the final say is Ottawa....Same as Quebec....if Ottawa wants to jam a pipeline through it can use the not withstanding clause....as Ottawa has threaten Quebec with...This is just another example why Canada does not work...it is a collective of smaller groups that don't get along, and are more concerned with there bubbles than the nation as a whole...

And what if the remaining western primers start boycotting all of BC projects....and ties them up ...for no good reason....and once again this entire energy super power thing is a liberal dream, it wont work if premiers are infighting each other, what happened to the team Canada approach....

 

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

what happened to the team Canada approach....

Danielle Smith.

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, herbie said:

Someone posing as a western Canadian that doesn't know the difference between the BC coast and international waters?

Why? To give the Yanks fodder to claim the Inside Passage isn't ours like they do with the NW Passage?

There is no need to build a new pipeline and terminal in northern BC, there is already one not even fully utilized in the South. Use it and expand it if they want. The pipeline route is already approved an in use.

Every ounce of the oil being transported from Alaska to the contiguous states will end up on BC shores if there is a spill along that route. 

We import hundreds of millions of barrels a year from shithole countries where women are treated worse than cattle. 

But we can't ship across northern BC and Alberta because of global warming and Chief Chuckleberry, who needs a new fishin' boat. 

[herbie]

18 hours ago, Army Guy said:

.for a guy that hates trump so much you seem to be in favor of Canada selling cheap below market value oil

and just how did you arrive at that conclusion?
Unlike most of you Tories simply whining and complaining, I not only offered an alternative that offered a way to sell to anyone else!

WTF is the matter with you smooth brain whiners, can't do anything but parrot the idea of imposing things on other people like your overlords tell you?

[herbie]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Every ounce of the oil being transported from Alaska to the contiguous states will end up on BC shores if there is a spill along that route. 

Can you even make sense in your arguments? Alaskan oil IS and has been transported for years through Juan deFuca to Washinton refineries so what does your complaint actually mean?
That the North Coast should bear the risk so you won't have to? Like eff off with that idea! You want it, you eat it!

[Nefarious Banana]

11 minutes ago, herbie said:

Alaskan oil IS and has been transported for years through Juan deFuca to Washinton refineries . . . .
That the North Coast should bear the risk so you won't have to? 

Premier David Eby is losing ground on the pipeline issue.  Whether the pipeline is approved/started/etc. during his and Premier Danielle Smith's term of office doesn't matter . . . long game: It will be built!

[Army Guy]

20 hours ago, eyeball said:

Danielle Smith.

Danielle smith is not the one whining on National tv about getting this project canceled it is not good for BC other projects....that's all EBY...Danielle has been cheering on BC projects...as well as all the rest of the projects...Those on the left in BC just don't like Alberta....and it is not team Canada it is what is best for BC and that's it...if anything else gets in the way we are going to protest that...

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

and just how did you arrive at that conclusion?
Unlike most of you Tories simply whining and complaining, I not only offered an alternative that offered a way to sell to anyone else!

WTF is the matter with you smooth brain whiners, can't do anything but parrot the idea of imposing things on other people like your overlords tell you?

Well you 1000 posts on the topic would be a good indication....Any idea from the left is normally not worth hearing, we have been listening to there ideas for the last 10 plus years and it has lead us to where we are now, and frankly i think we have reached our limit....smoke and fire all around us....is a good sign that this nation is sick...

[I am Groot]

On 10/7/2025 at 2:52 PM, herbie said:

BC opposition can be explained over and over, but if you refuse to listen, just keep blubbering about it.
The majority of the people in BC don't have the right to decide on things in their own province, 

They don't. Under our constitution, only the federal government can regulate interprovincial trade and exports. It also has full control of the coastlines. If they want a pipeline to go through, there's nothing BC can legally do about it.

[I am Groot]

21 hours ago, eyeball said:

The poll found that 46 per cent of Canadians — and 52 per cent of British Columbians — say any province whose land a pipeline is built on should have veto rights unless its conditions are met.

At the very least BC deserves the same sort of veto Quebec gets on this issue.

Note Alberta wants this too.

The only veto Quebec has is cowardice on the part of the federal government.

[I am Groot]

On 10/9/2025 at 10:12 AM, LinkSoul60 said:

Everyone loves money but FN's also love their pristine land.  

If they discovered oil under their reserves, you better damn well believe they'll be pumping it for all they're worth and building a pipeline right through the sacred habitat of whatever the hell gets in their way.

[I am Groot]

On 10/10/2025 at 11:55 AM, LinkSoul60 said:

Like clockwork Poilievre has to chime in and remind everyone why they didn't vote for him - Poilievre pointed out that the approval for such a pipeline is wholly within the jurisdiction of the federal government and Eby is “well worth ignoring.”  Good leaders engage all stakeholders. Poor leaders ignore stakeholders when they don't align with their thinking. Today's example of why Poilievre will never lead this country.

Poilievre is the leader of the opposition and a conservative. Eby is a socialist and his impacable opponent in all things. No engagement between them is possible as they operate on two entirely different realities. Eby wants the government to run everything. Poilievre believes in private enterprise and Capitalism. Eby loves borrowing, while Poilevre wants to stop borrowing.  Like you, Eby will oppose everything and anything Poilievre supports.

 

On 10/7/2025 at 8:05 PM, eyeball said:

What if it threatens our prosperity and survival however and virtually every scientist in Earth is concerned it does?

It seems a little foolish to just ignore that don't you think?

No credible scientist thinks fossil fuel threatens human prosperity or survival. 

[I am Groot]

On 10/7/2025 at 9:34 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

We're not going to stop talking about pipelines until if/when a northern project happens. I'm actually a bit surprised there isn't more talk of the West to East pipeline...  Eby is NDP so no need to follow the liberal party line around energy. Im not a fan but he does have a point... Smth only has this out there to see if the private sector would invest in this project so there's not much for him to say without pissing off the FN's who don't want this.  If there was private sector money coming forward he said he'd work with AB. Moot points if there's a tanker ban so that's on Carney's government to have those discussions with FN's, who are opposed. BC has active LNG and mining projects with opportunity for expanding so he's championing those while cSmith champions for AB. Go figure...

All the other provinces are on board with a west-to-east pipeline except Quebec. Which is the base for the Liberals, and one they can't afford to lose too many seats to the BQ in.

BC has no problem with exporting its own fossil fuels, including coal, but doesn't feel the need to oblige another province. Well, too bad. They don't have any way to stop it.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

BC has no problem with exporting its own fossil fuels, including coal, but doesn't feel the need to oblige another province. Well, too bad. They don't have any way to stop it.

But they do and in fact they did last time. This would not be the first time this project was approved, and yet no pipeline. 

BC is ground zero for where the ndp will rebound if they do at all, and the libs know it.  and a resurgence there will put many other provinces seats in play. 

The consultation process alone is going to be a real issue. The court shut down their last attempt, and while it gave some sort of directions as to what it might like to see in the future it did not give clear instruction. So right off the bat the door is open there for illegal challenge no matter what they do. If the first nations are not on board going into this it's going to be very hard to do this on budget and it will be extremely difficult to find a private sector proponent who's going to agree to move forward with it

. So while there may not be many legal things they can do to veto it, they can definitely poison the well.

 

[eyeball]

45 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The only veto Quebec has is cowardice on the part of the federal government.

But the point is telling the feds to fùck off is a right every province in Confederation can exercise. This notion about federal responsibility when it comes to ramming pipelines thru anywhere it wants is just a bunch of hooey.

22 hours ago, Army Guy said:

...if Ottawa wants to jam a pipeline through it can use the not withstanding clause....as Ottawa has threaten Quebec with...

Meanwhile... Danielle Smith is apparently on BC's side not the feds.

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith said Monday that her province and Quebec are united in their desire to resist federal overreach, as she pushed for closer economic ties between the provinces.

Speaking ahead of a speech to a business group in Montreal, Smith said Alberta and Quebec are frustrated with a federal government that wants to “impose its will” on provinces.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/quebec-and-alberta-united-in-pushing-back-against-ottawa-premier-danielle-smith-says/

[herbie]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Well you 1000 posts on the topic

Yeah and only mine offered an alternative! The rest were whining, make us happy by forcing someone else to comply.
You think like Trump does on trade 'negotiations'.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

No credible scientist thinks fossil fuel threatens human prosperity or survival. 

There're very few credible scientists to be found beyond the vast majority when it comes to climate change. They're very rare and their science faces extraordinary scrutiny that ever more rarely passes muster.

Some economists do I suppose but they're not exactly practicing STEM it's just, you know, social science...with a heaping helping of political science of course.

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There're very few credible scientists to be found beyond the vast majority when it comes to climate change. They're very rare and their science faces extraordinary scrutiny that ever more rarely passes muster.

Some economists do I suppose but they're not exactly practicing STEM it's just, you know, social science...with a heaping helping of political science of course.

So why do you have such a tough time finding ANY actual science to quote when myself or others here rub your nose in your climate claims  

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Yeah and only mine offered an alternative! The rest were whining, make us happy by forcing someone else to comply.
You think like Trump does on trade 'negotiations'.

There is no force....you are either on team Canada or not it really is that simple.......all these projects are designed to make Canada an energy super power....SO how does going on national media and saying there will never be a pipeline going through bc....How is that belong as part of the team....No wonder Canada is a shit show right now,  provincial trade to , everyone wants their projects not the others.. And right after BC got two of the five projects for approval.....instead of being happy or grateful this is what eby does...Everyone needs to comply or make sacrifices....in order to enrich the country...not BC or Alberta, the whole country...What is wrong with that...

[LinkSoul60]

 

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Poilievre is the leader of the opposition and a conservative. Eby is a socialist and his impacable opponent in all things. No engagement between them is possible as they operate on two entirely different realities. Eby wants the government to run everything. Poilievre believes in private enterprise and Capitalism. Eby loves borrowing, while Poilevre wants to stop borrowing.  Like you, Eby will oppose everything and anything Poilievre supports.

 

Good leaders engage all stakeholders...whether they like them or not.  Just another example of why this guy isn't likeable.