CdnFox Posted October 8, 2025 Report Posted October 8, 2025 (edited) On 10/7/2025 at 11:02 AM, Army Guy said: I don't think it is just EBY, i mean a lot of people from BC on this forum are also against a new pipe line....again not sure why they hate Alberta so much.... I agree, i think the agency to make those kinds of decisions is the feds and the new projects office.... I don't know about a "Lot" of people. But without a doubt the first nations communities and the left wingers don't like it. The left doesn't like it because they hate any oil production or anything that makes it possible to produce more oil. They want oil shut down. They are SLIGHTLY more open to natural gas The first nations don't like it because if there's an oil spill they're worried they'll be abandoned and their habitat destroyed. Also many are paid by envioronmental orgs to 'hate pipelines' and protest. The average bc'er really probably doesn't have a big problem but Smith's dumbass response is probaby going to put some backs up that would have been allies. That was stupid 3 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said: Many BC residents are former Albertans. Alberta/Saskatchewan/BC Interior folks like to get things done. Yes, and many in the lower mainland too. Not all people live in downtown vancouver or victoria. Whenever polls are done bc polls majority in favour of pipelines. But it's a slim majority, usually in the 50's. Edited October 8, 2025 by CdnFox Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Army Guy Posted October 8, 2025 Author Report Posted October 8, 2025 19 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: We're not going to stop talking about pipelines until if/when a northern project happens. I'm actually a bit surprised there isn't more talk of the West to East pipeline... Eby is NDP so no need to follow the liberal party line around energy. Im not a fan but he does have a point... Smth only has this out there to see if the private sector would invest in this project so there's not much for him to say without pissing off the FN's who don't want this. If there was private sector money coming forward he said he'd work with AB. Moot points if there's a tanker ban so that's on Carney's government to have those discussions with FN's, who are opposed. BC has active LNG and mining projects with opportunity for expanding so he's championing those while cSmith champions for AB. Go figure... 4 years from now Canada will still be talking about everything really because we do a lot of talking not so much taking of action....It does not matter who EBY follows, if the PM had any balls he tell eby to STFU, or the Feds will cut off support and funding for ANY of BC projects.. including the 2 that have already been approved... FN like everyone else loves the money, if you have enough of it you would be surprise what they'll approve...As far as EBY yapping off in the media, he is only proving that this national energy super power thing is nothing more than a dream, we already have BC up in arms, go figure....and the Bloc party refuses any pipeline....in the feds side of the house there is always the not withstanding policy... Nothing but whines, from this guy, "it's not fair", I have not heard anything from smith or any other Premier for that matter saying BC got 2 projects approved it is not fair... Ya he'll work with Alberta sounds like it.... Alberta, B.C. premiers trade barbs over pipeline proposal | Watch It would be one thing to champion for BC, i get that..... but he is also making sure the media knows he does not support any pipelines.....do you really think this is helping Alberta's cases for investors.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted October 8, 2025 Author Report Posted October 8, 2025 4 hours ago, JohnnyCanuck said: Really? you believe that Premier Eby's announcements mean that all of BC's population of 5 million hate Albertans? omg. sigh. For those of you who are not BC'ers, I will tell you what's going on. Eby is playing to a section of his base - the green section. The only current threat to Eby & the NDP's power in BC is any resurgence of the Green party. ( we are 2+ years away from Rusted gettting his conglomeration of BC Conservatives/BCUnited/OneBC, un-whippable mavericks etc etc. into line ). Not that the Green party will ever form a provincial government, but they have 2 MLA's at present. What worries Eby is that the Greens will increase their percentage of the vote across the province, thus allowing the Conservatives to win on a split left vote. Eby won (not by much) the last provincial election on spewing lies about abortion beliefs, conspiracy theories, and election fraud, which frightened enough greenies to go with the NDP strategically, just keep the conservatives out. That is why he is on this anti-pipeline track now. Much talk was heard in the last Federal election about Corporations not wanting to get involved in pipeline building because of the delay, cost , and difficulties in getting environmental assessments done, and getting all the permissions and approvals. The talk I heard was that the the provinces and the federal government would first define the pipeline corridor, get all the permissions and permits granted, then request Corporations to bd on the right to build a pipeline in that pre-defined and pre-permitted corridor ( What Smith is doing right now). Eby is well aware this is what Smith is doing, he is just plain lying when he disingenuously suggests 'there is no proponent' he knows Smith is trying to set things up, not actually build it. As I said - just playing to the green section of his base. Eby is putting his own short term lust for retaining power ahead of building a better Canada. My own support is for an Oil, Natural Gas, and Electricity backbone stretching from the west coast to the east coast, so all can draw/contribute at will and bring energy self sufficiency to 90% of the Canadian population. Regarding the Oil Tanker Ban "The Oil Tanker Moratorium Act, also known as Bill C-48, was enacted to regulate the transportation of crude oil and persistent oil along the northern coast of British Columbia. The law was passed by the Canadian Parliament and received Royal Assent on June 21, 2019." What is not widely known is that in years 2000 to 2012 /15 BC had built huge railyards in Prince Rupert (pacific gateway) there was a possibility that oil could shipped by rail from AB to Prince Rupert prior to any pipeline, that is why the tanker ban was rushed through even there was no pipeline. Also FYI there are 30 to 40 crude oil carrying tankers per month going through the inside passage from Alaska to Cherry Point refinery WA. Oil tankers from northern BC would go directly out to the pacific. Do you really think i meant it in that context, But lets admit something , not many BC'er are in favor of anything Alberta does for some reason.... EBY needs to stay in his lane, he is coming across as some whining west coast baby...he should concentrate on BC and leave the ROC to the other primers...he reminds me of my kids when they thought one of them was getting something they were not..."its not fair" we here about this constantly from this guy first the ferries in PEI, and now TMX pipeline....and yet NOONE is whinny that BC got 2 of the 5 projects approved... The feds need to do a few things as well....getting rid of the tanker ban, get rid of the production limits, get rid of the anti pipeline bils, kill the industrial carbo tax...that would be a good start... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted October 8, 2025 Author Report Posted October 8, 2025 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: I don't know about a "Lot" of people. But without a doubt the first nations communities and the left wingers don't like it. The left doesn't like it because they hate any oil production or anything that makes it possible to produce more oil. They want oil shut down. They are SLIGHTLY more open to natural gas The first nations don't like it because if there's an oil spill they're worried they'll be abandoned and their habitat destroyed. Also many are paid by envioronmental orgs to 'hate pipelines' and protest. The average bc'er really probably doesn't have a big problem but Smith's dumbass response is probaby going to put some backs up that would have been allies. That was stupid first nations will change there minds once the suit case full of money comes out...just like TMX And EBY address on the topic was what exactly, Ya he made lots of friends with the whine show, and it is NOT fair speech...Not sure what your issue is with Smiths response... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted October 8, 2025 Report Posted October 8, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: first nations will change there minds once the suit case full of money comes out...just like TMX Some will but the challenge in the past has been that environmental groups will go to some of them and pay more money directly to the chiefs to keep up the opposition. We have seen time and again groups of first nations fighting each other and arguing and even becoming violent in their confrontations. Especially in the north. There's probably some sort of way around it but let's just say the difficulties will be significant. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: And EBY address on the topic was what exactly, Ya he made lots of friends with the whine show, and it is NOT fair speech...Not sure what your issue is with Smiths response... It's not clear what you're asking. Eby is appealing to his base, his base is largely environmentalists and first nations people. Like I said I doubt the majority of British Columbia would be as strongly against the pipeline. Smith is being a twat. She's deliberately sabotaging the situation. You don't tell the First Nations a British Columbia that they don't own the coast, but that coast belongs to Alberta and Saskatchewan. That is not how you get a deal done and she knows that very well. And she's not winning any friends calling Eby uncanadian for standing up to another province. She got challenged on that on vasseys show yesterday I believe where vassey correctly pointed out tons of times she stands up to Ottawa when she feels it's in the best interest of her province, how can she complain about somebody else doing that for their province. Again it appeals to her base but it's a dumb thing to say. I don't think she's actually serious about that pipeline. I think she expects it to fail, and wants it to fail, and most importantly she wants to pin it on carney. She's getting Eby riled up and the first nations but every single comment ends with it's the decision of the Prime Minister. Carney cannot afford to lose a ton of seats in British Columbia. The liberals are usually in third in British Columbia and they could very quickly go back to that. I think she is pushing him and saying how great he is and how wonderful it is that he gets it and that it doesn't matter what he be says because carney is the guy who can deliver knowing that he's going to shoot it down and she can turn around and legitimately say we tried to make Canada work and it didn't. We will see. She has said that carney has promised her an answer on that pipeline by the gray cup. But unless he's willing to announce an end to the tanker ban i don't think anyone is going to be interested in building a pipeline to nowhere. Edited October 8, 2025 by CdnFox Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Nefarious Banana Posted October 8, 2025 Report Posted October 8, 2025 3 hours ago, paxamericana said: Former Texans and Oklahomans* . Don't pretend we did not have the same great grand parents. You're a Canadian trolling as an American . . . just for the laughs. 1 1 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted October 9, 2025 Report Posted October 9, 2025 16 hours ago, Army Guy said: 4 years from now Canada will still be talking about everything really because we do a lot of talking not so much taking of action....It does not matter who EBY follows, if the PM had any balls he tell eby to STFU, or the Feds will cut off support and funding for ANY of BC projects.. including the 2 that have already been approved... FN like everyone else loves the money, if you have enough of it you would be surprise what they'll approve...As far as EBY yapping off in the media, he is only proving that this national energy super power thing is nothing more than a dream, we already have BC up in arms, go figure....and the Bloc party refuses any pipeline....in the feds side of the house there is always the not withstanding policy... Nothing but whines, from this guy, "it's not fair", I have not heard anything from smith or any other Premier for that matter saying BC got 2 projects approved it is not fair... Ya he'll work with Alberta sounds like it.... Alberta, B.C. premiers trade barbs over pipeline proposal | Watch It would be one thing to champion for BC, i get that..... but he is also making sure the media knows he does not support any pipelines.....do you really think this is helping Alberta's cases for investors.... No, Carney has infinitely more acumen and tact than to threaten cutting funding to BC because of Smith's desires to 'test the waters'. That's an angry Pierre move... play tough guy with water wings on. Everyone loves money but FN's also love their pristine land. Been down this road and they don't want it. What happens now, who knows but guessing the Keystone rival talk will placate Smith for a while. She don't care if a pipeline goes west, east, north or south. Quote
Army Guy Posted October 9, 2025 Author Report Posted October 9, 2025 18 hours ago, CdnFox said: Some will but the challenge in the past has been that environmental groups will go to some of them and pay more money directly to the chiefs to keep up the opposition. We have seen time and again groups of first nations fighting each other and arguing and even becoming violent in their confrontations. Especially in the north. There's probably some sort of way around it but let's just say the difficulties will be significant. It's not clear what you're asking. Eby is appealing to his base, his base is largely environmentalists and first nations people. Like I said I doubt the majority of British Columbia would be as strongly against the pipeline. Smith is being a twat. She's deliberately sabotaging the situation. You don't tell the First Nations a British Columbia that they don't own the coast, but that coast belongs to Alberta and Saskatchewan. That is not how you get a deal done and she knows that very well. And she's not winning any friends calling Eby uncanadian for standing up to another province. She got challenged on that on vasseys show yesterday I believe where vassey correctly pointed out tons of times she stands up to Ottawa when she feels it's in the best interest of her province, how can she complain about somebody else doing that for their province. Again it appeals to her base but it's a dumb thing to say. I don't think she's actually serious about that pipeline. I think she expects it to fail, and wants it to fail, and most importantly she wants to pin it on carney. She's getting Eby riled up and the first nations but every single comment ends with it's the decision of the Prime Minister. Carney cannot afford to lose a ton of seats in British Columbia. The liberals are usually in third in British Columbia and they could very quickly go back to that. I think she is pushing him and saying how great he is and how wonderful it is that he gets it and that it doesn't matter what he be says because carney is the guy who can deliver knowing that he's going to shoot it down and she can turn around and legitimately say we tried to make Canada work and it didn't. We will see. She has said that carney has promised her an answer on that pipeline by the gray cup. But unless he's willing to announce an end to the tanker ban i don't think anyone is going to be interested in building a pipeline to nowhere. And yet some how the feds did put through the TMX pipeline, was it easy no it was not, but it proves it is possible... Eby is sabotaging Alberta's project, by convincing BC residents it is a bad project.....nothing more.... Is she....i think EBY got that market all sown up...with sabotaging Alberta's project because it might take away funding for any BC project....He ios a whiner.. "IT's not fair" BC is missing out some how....SO much for the team Canada concept... That's not what she said at all, She said that coast belongs to Canada...if it belonged to first nations or BC why would they need permission to get projects going...it belongs to the feds...that goes for every province across Canada....We may disagree on what to call EBY, but he is definitely not a team player...He has lobby the feds for BC projects.....and no one has stood up on national tv and said any of them are not worthy projects, as EBY has....That is not support the concept of trying to make Canada a global energy super power and if BC can't see that then the Feds should deny any bc projects until they change their mind...Smith has come on national tv and support all of those BC projects that were announced.... She knows like you do that getting a pipeline for oil is an extreme long shot with EBY in BC, Quebec and Carney in Ottawa...EBY is playing games, he has 2 projects on the books right now , he is looking to put a lot more and to do that he wants to sabotage Alberta's chance at any funding... he has said so on national TV...he has not intention of supporting the national project, he is in this to enhance BC and BC only... There is a lot of leg work still to do on these pipeline, but it is closer to being done than most of EBY projects this pipeline was ready to go and Justin canceled back in 2016....Most of first nations were on board... Why this community of pro-development First Nations chiefs supports a new pipeline | Watch Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted October 9, 2025 Author Report Posted October 9, 2025 3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: No, Carney has infinitely more acumen and tact than to threaten cutting funding to BC because of Smith's desires to 'test the waters'. That's an angry Pierre move... play tough guy with water wings on. Everyone loves money but FN's also love their pristine land. Been down this road and they don't want it. What happens now, who knows but guessing the Keystone rival talk will placate Smith for a while. She don't care if a pipeline goes west, east, north or south. This is all being aired across the country the other premiers see it as well, the see BC not being a team player, EBY claims the process is not fair, and yet 2 of the 5 projects are for BC, How could it not be fair......EBY is afraid that if Smiths project needs federal funds it will take away his chances of getting any more funding for his projects....So now he is on this sabotage mission crying on national TV it is not fair....and smith has gone on national tv and supported his projects....and sees EBY response as an attack...the rest of Canada sees it as whining "its not fair" So my question would be why would the PM not want to step in, if this super power thing goes into the dumper what's he got left...even if it was a phone call telling Eby to gear down... This pipeline does have a majority of first nation support, 2 billion dollars can buy a lot of improvement for all first nations communities....that was back in 2016, i could hardly guess what it is today...Lets also remember that we just drove a pipeline through BC, yes it was a struggle , but it proves it can be done...She does care this is the easiest pipeline to get up and running...but don't think it is the last....there are other pipelines the east are vising for, natural gas to Quebec and NB, bitumen to NB , Ontario is looking to relace a pipeline that goes through Michigan which they are trying to close due to environmental concerns...so ya lots of pipelines..... Why this community of pro-development First Nations chiefs supports a new pipeline | Watch Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted October 9, 2025 Report Posted October 9, 2025 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: And yet some how the feds did put through the TMX pipeline, was it easy no it was not, but it proves it is possible. Sure anything's possible, but TMX still took a massive effort, and was abandoned early by the commercial interests because they knew it wouldn't be possible to do it at a decent price. And the gov't went massively overbudget on it, as the private sector forecast. AND it was twinning an existing line, AND it was in the south so it was an order of magnitude easier and still took forever. This would require an enormous amount of political capital and probably some public money. .. Eby is sabotaging Alberta's project, by convincing BC residents it is a bad project.....nothing more.... Quote Is she....i think EBY got that market all sown up...with sabotaging Alberta's project because it might take away funding for any BC project....He ios a whiner.. "IT's not fair" BC is missing out some how....SO much for the team Canada concept.. Yes, she is. And yes he is. Two things can be true Smith is trolling him for fun and lols while her real sights are on Carney. Smith knows she would be the VERY first person to freak out and go toe to toe with the feds if they suggested something that would hurt alberta. Quote That's not what she said at all, She said that coast belongs to Canada...if it belonged to first nations or BC why would they need permission to get projects going...it belongs to the feds...that goes for every province across Canada....We may disagree on what to call EBY, but he is definitely not a team player...He has lobby the feds for BC projects.....and no one has stood up on national tv and said any of them are not worthy projects, as EBY has....That is not support the concept of trying to make Canada a global energy super power and if BC can't see that then the Feds should deny any bc projects until they change their mind...Smith has come on national tv and support all of those BC projects that were announced.... well it doesn't belong to the feds and that's a simple truth. The feds found that out the hard way when they tried to put the pipeline in last time and got shot down by the first nations in court. Perhaps you're not familiar with that. So no. The feds do not own the coast. They have an interest in it, the first nations have an interest in it. The feds have the authority to approve projects but ONLY after due and proper consultation with the first nations and those have to be extensive. Quote She knows like you do that getting a pipeline for oil is an extreme long shot with EBY in BC, Quebec and Carney in Ottawa...EBY is playing games, he has 2 projects on the books right now , he is looking to put a lot more and to do that he wants to sabotage Alberta's chance at any funding... he has said so on national TV...he has not intention of supporting the national project, he is in this to enhance BC and BC only... There's really not a lot of funding involved. His issue is that BC kind of sold the first nations on all the LNG stuff that's going on based on the idea that there was a tanker ban and they wouldn't have to worry about oil. Now they're getting uppity about their position on the other projects if the tanker ban is lifted. So he's freaking out. The mere suggestion it COULD happen causes him grief. And sure, he's handling it totally wrong and being a little biatch. Quote There is a lot of leg work still to do on these pipeline, but it is closer to being done than most of EBY projects this pipeline was ready to go and Justin canceled back in 2016....Most of first nations were on board... Absolutely false across the board. The project was shot down in court and a brand new consultation process would have to be started from scratch, the route still hadn't been finalized, and trudeau didn't really cancel it he just didn't start it back up again after the loss. Then he put the tanker ban in place which ended that entirely. Not to mention there's still NO PROPONENT . NOBODY in the private sector is showing ANY interest in getting behind this or even talking about it till the regulations change including the tanker ban. and the feds say they won't consider that till there's a proponent. So it's a chicken and the egg situation, no proponent without a change to the law, no change to the law without a proponent. As to the first nations, Many of the first nations were on board and many were absolutely NOT on board which is why they took it to court and won. And you need them all on board. Most of the other bc projects are closer to happening than this pipeline by far. Especially phase 2 of the lng which would be the largest private investment project in canadian history i believe. But the fact is that if they were serious, both COULD be pursued at the same time. But how smith is going about it strongly suggests to me her target is not the pipeline. She's deliberately doing it wrong and causing friction. I think her goal is to put Carney on the spot. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Army Guy Posted October 9, 2025 Author Report Posted October 9, 2025 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Sure anything's possible, but TMX still took a massive effort, and was abandoned early by the commercial interests because they knew it wouldn't be possible to do it at a decent price. And the gov't went massively overbudget on it, as the private sector forecast. AND it was twinning an existing line, AND it was in the south so it was an order of magnitude easier and still took forever. This would require an enormous amount of political capital and probably some public money. .. Eby is sabotaging Alberta's project, by convincing BC residents it is a bad project.....nothing more.... Yes, she is. And yes he is. Two things can be true Smith is trolling him for fun and lols while her real sights are on Carney. Smith knows she would be the VERY first person to freak out and go toe to toe with the feds if they suggested something that would hurt alberta. well it doesn't belong to the feds and that's a simple truth. The feds found that out the hard way when they tried to put the pipeline in last time and got shot down by the first nations in court. Perhaps you're not familiar with that. So no. The feds do not own the coast. They have an interest in it, the first nations have an interest in it. The feds have the authority to approve projects but ONLY after due and proper consultation with the first nations and those have to be extensive. There's really not a lot of funding involved. His issue is that BC kind of sold the first nations on all the LNG stuff that's going on based on the idea that there was a tanker ban and they wouldn't have to worry about oil. Now they're getting uppity about their position on the other projects if the tanker ban is lifted. So he's freaking out. The mere suggestion it COULD happen causes him grief. And sure, he's handling it totally wrong and being a little biatch. Absolutely false across the board. The project was shot down in court and a brand new consultation process would have to be started from scratch, the route still hadn't been finalized, and trudeau didn't really cancel it he just didn't start it back up again after the loss. Then he put the tanker ban in place which ended that entirely. Not to mention there's still NO PROPONENT . NOBODY in the private sector is showing ANY interest in getting behind this or even talking about it till the regulations change including the tanker ban. and the feds say they won't consider that till there's a proponent. So it's a chicken and the egg situation, no proponent without a change to the law, no change to the law without a proponent. As to the first nations, Many of the first nations were on board and many were absolutely NOT on board which is why they took it to court and won. And you need them all on board. Most of the other bc projects are closer to happening than this pipeline by far. Especially phase 2 of the lng which would be the largest private investment project in canadian history i believe. But the fact is that if they were serious, both COULD be pursued at the same time. But how smith is going about it strongly suggests to me her target is not the pipeline. She's deliberately doing it wrong and causing friction. I think her goal is to put Carney on the spot. And yet the feds did put a pipeline through despite protests, BC government, etc....how do we explain that...once again i think if the feds have the will they can accomplish anything they want in BC....Not sure why all of this is a big deal....these projects only increase our GDP which serves the entire nation....This situation is exactly what the not withstanding clause is for....this one and the one in Quebec furture pipeline... All smith is doing right now is trying to get support for the northern pipeline including looking for civilian investments...EBY is playing the role of b!tch by speaking out against this project, when no one else is , in fact all of them except EBY is supporting each other projects....This pipeline is a test hole to see if any other pipelines are viable....EBY says it will not produce any benefits to Canada as a whole....His whining is why this entire super energy power thing is going to end up nothing but in fighting.... Alot more to the process than consultation , everything else has already been done, ready to be tweaked and thrown together...according to smith... Does our tanker ban include US ships traveling back and forth form Alaska.... As i've heard US ships travel that route or very close to that route all the time... There is no proponent yet, that's what smith is doing today, looking for investors...And i've mentioned this before liberal policies are also standing in the way....such as the tanker ban, production limits, etc... Indigenous hold outs were few, many were on board due to the 2 bil in profits going directly to the different bands....or so says the source i gave you... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted October 9, 2025 Report Posted October 9, 2025 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: And yet the feds did put a pipeline through despite protests, BC government, etc....how do we explain that... I did explain that. C'mon man. Don't make me repeat myself over and over. The feds took over the project after the private sector realized it couldn't be done profitably. They then paid about 3 times the price to get it done. The project was so expensive that they had to charge such high rates that it's underutilized to this day because it's not worth it for companies to ship the oil at the costs they have to charge. So sure, if you're willing to wait twice as long and pay 3 times as much and lose billions it's doable But it's extremely difficult. 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: once again i think if the feds have the will they can accomplish anything they want in BC. And it can quickly cost them the next election. As i have said about 4 or 5 times now, sure - anything CAN be done but the political capital is extreme. And very quickly it becomes undesirable for the private companies who would have to pay for it. 6 minutes ago, Army Guy said: All smith is doing right now is trying to get support for the northern pipeline including looking for civilian investments.. No, that's not quite right. She's smart and she's not going about it the way she would if that was her final goal. She expects this to be shot down, and she expects it to be Carney that does it not eby. Carney is her target. She's playing a long game. Say what you like about the girl, and there's much you can say, but she's damn clever and she knows how to play a crowd. 8 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Alot more to the process than consultation , everything else has already been done, ready to be tweaked and thrown together...according to smith... It isn't. It's not even close. The consultation process is one of the biggest parts and that starts from scratch, and the route isn't even chosen and the parts that were will have to be gone over again to make sure they're still suitable. A lot changes in 12 years. All the permits and environmental assessments and gov't licenses etc have long since expired and have to be done again. They were fighting over the route last time it died, so that still has to be worked out. I'd say it's about 1/3rd done, and the ground work is there to make the next steps a little easier but even the leaders of the various bands have changed and every single one of those deals would have to be renegotiated. This is far from plug and play. And Enbridge has told her straight out that they are absolutely not interested this time unless the laws change and that's going to be a major problem politically for Carney. Poilievre would have killed the tanker band and the no pipeline laws right off the bat and that would have been very different and we would probably have investment lining up, but the industries have been quite clear that they're really not that interested in anything to do with oil pipelines as long as the current regulations are in place and nobody likes carney's magic fairy zone law Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted October 9, 2025 Report Posted October 9, 2025 54 minutes ago, Army Guy said: ...This situation is exactly what the not withstanding clause is for... We'll have to remind Eby of that when the time comes. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted October 9, 2025 Report Posted October 9, 2025 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: We'll have to remind Eby of that when the time comes. Eby isn't going to be the biggest impediment. We both know who that will be. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted October 9, 2025 Report Posted October 9, 2025 48 minutes ago, CdnFox said: We both know who that will be. Maybe...I wouldn't trust him to stand in its way any more than you expect him to. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
herbie Posted October 9, 2025 Report Posted October 9, 2025 No one sees the irony of Danielle calling another Premier anti-Canadian? Let's demand Halifax harbour become the new All-Atlantic $50 billion sewage project next. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted October 10, 2025 Report Posted October 10, 2025 5 hours ago, Army Guy said: This is all being aired across the country the other premiers see it as well, the see BC not being a team player, EBY claims the process is not fair, and yet 2 of the 5 projects are for BC, How could it not be fair......EBY is afraid that if Smiths project needs federal funds it will take away his chances of getting any more funding for his projects....So now he is on this sabotage mission crying on national TV it is not fair....and smith has gone on national tv and supported his projects....and sees EBY response as an attack...the rest of Canada sees it as whining "its not fair" So my question would be why would the PM not want to step in, if this super power thing goes into the dumper what's he got left...even if it was a phone call telling Eby to gear down... This pipeline does have a majority of first nation support, 2 billion dollars can buy a lot of improvement for all first nations communities....that was back in 2016, i could hardly guess what it is today...Lets also remember that we just drove a pipeline through BC, yes it was a struggle , but it proves it can be done...She does care this is the easiest pipeline to get up and running...but don't think it is the last....there are other pipelines the east are vising for, natural gas to Quebec and NB, bitumen to NB , Ontario is looking to relace a pipeline that goes through Michigan which they are trying to close due to environmental concerns...so ya lots of pipelines..... Why this community of pro-development First Nations chiefs supports a new pipeline | Watch So you mean he's kind of doing what Smith has been doing.... Crying that it's not fair the federal government hasn't supported them (which I don't disagree with). They're both playing politics which is what politicians do. What is Carney supposed to 'step in' about with Eby? Smith is just 'testing the waters' to see if private investment will step up if provincial and federal restrictions could be changed. The prudent thing to do would be for the special projects office to have discussions with private investment saying 'if we did this, would you invest'... which I'm guessing has happened in some fashion. Otherwise going down the road of pissing BC residents off and court challenges doesn't make any sense if private investment isn't interested. The proposed pipeline and lifting of tanker ban does not have the support of the Coastal First Nations whose land it would be on. https://www.indigenouswatchdog.org/update/bc-first-nations-promise-renewed-resistance-to-smiths-pipeline-plans/ Quote
blackbird Posted October 10, 2025 Report Posted October 10, 2025 This country has had it. The Federal energy minister just announced it is up to the B.C. Premier, David Eby, to agree to a pipeline. This is completely false. The federal government is the one that is responsible for inter provincial pipelines. We have already been through this scenario with the TMX pipeline expansion. The BC NDP government opposed the expansion but the federal government took it over and got it built. The BC NDP fought against it in the court and lost. So what has changed since the TMX pipeline was built? What has changed is we have a different PM in Ottawa, who opposes pipelines and opposes the energy industry. He is a World Economic Forum globalist and held a high position on the U.N. climate change panel. Now he controls the federal government. That is what has changed. He appointed an energy minister who agrees with him and opposes any new pipeline and opposes making Canada an energy superpower. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted October 10, 2025 Report Posted October 10, 2025 9 hours ago, blackbird said: This country has had it. The Federal energy minister just announced it is up to the B.C. Premier, David Eby, to agree to a pipeline. This is completely false. The federal government is the one that is responsible for inter provincial pipelines. We have already been through this scenario with the TMX pipeline expansion. The BC NDP government opposed the expansion but the federal government took it over and got it built. The BC NDP fought against it in the court and lost. So what has changed since the TMX pipeline was built? What has changed is we have a different PM in Ottawa, who opposes pipelines and opposes the energy industry. He is a World Economic Forum globalist and held a high position on the U.N. climate change panel. Now he controls the federal government. That is what has changed. He appointed an energy minister who agrees with him and opposes any new pipeline and opposes making Canada an energy superpower. Meanwhile, back in reality... The Federal energy minister said; The president of an organization representing First Nations along British Columbia's north coast says it won't support a new bitumen pipeline. Hodgson said Thursday that Ottawa would act as a “constructive participant” in conversations between Alberta and B.C. but suggested that the pipeline proposal is still in its early stages. “Alberta has some work to do … until they bring their proposal in 2026, it’s a hypothetical question,” Hodgson said. What's happened since the TMX pipeline is the $34.5B price tag to taxpayers which is why private investment needs to be found. There is validity to Eby's argument that pitching a pipeline before a proponent has been found threatens community support and social licence that would allow other major projects along the provincial coast to move forward. Like clockwork Poilievre has to chime in and remind everyone why they didn't vote for him - Poilievre pointed out that the approval for such a pipeline is wholly within the jurisdiction of the federal government and Eby is “well worth ignoring.” Good leaders engage all stakeholders. Poor leaders ignore stakeholders when they don't align with their thinking. Today's example of why Poilievre will never lead this country. Your playbook page of WEF globalist, climate activist and anti-energy lacks the substance of facts when LNG projects are being approved and the Keystone pipeline floated by Carney to Trump the other day. That doesn't appear to be anti-energy... Are you of the belief that the only definition of Canada being an energy superpower is the northern gateway pipeline? Quote
CdnFox Posted October 10, 2025 Report Posted October 10, 2025 16 hours ago, eyeball said: Maybe...I wouldn't trust him to stand in its way any more than you expect him to. At this point (and usually most points with him) it's all about the theatrics. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted October 10, 2025 Report Posted October 10, 2025 Here you go @Army Guy, just as i said the majority of BC'ers are ok with the pipeline idea. It's the northern first nations and the NDP supporters that have the issue. This poll would seem to support that Majority of Canadians — including B.C. residents — support Alberta’s pipeline push, poll finds | CBC News 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted October 10, 2025 Report Posted October 10, 2025 and as expected the feds are trying to use BC to shield themselves from Smith Alberta will need B.C. government’s support to build proposed pipeline: energy minister | CBC News Basically the feathers are saying we can't green light anything that doesn't have the approval of the province and the people of the province in which it's happening. Smith is going to try and sell the idea to albertans that this is nonsense and cardi could force the pipeline through if he really wanted. Smith has done fairly well by making people angry at ottawa. It's not hard, there's usually quite a lot to be angry at Ottawa about. But I believe her end goal is to whip up separatist sentiment to the point where separation is an actual possible threat and then use that as leverage to force the feds and Carney to give Alberta whatever it wants in a similar fashion that Quebec has been able to pull it off over all of these years. So she kind of needs the failure of this pipeline to stick to Carney and not Eby. And obviously the feds want the exact opposite to happen Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
WestCanMan Posted October 10, 2025 Report Posted October 10, 2025 On 10/7/2025 at 8:23 AM, Army Guy said: Why do BC'ers hate Alberta so much.... It appears Premier Eby is digging his heals in on pipelines....There is no project, as there is no private funding....He makes it sound likes it is "his" funding and he will decide what projects will get advanced and what will not...And he is sabotaging other provinces projects in order to get more project money spent in BC....and yet he is only a premier...Not the PM....He also states that he will not accept any new pipelines because of the tanker ban...Not sure if the tanker ban is federal or provincial and can not find a source Quote n a third exchange on the topic Premier Eby was asked if he plans to oppose Alberta’s upcoming pipeline project application directly through his government or indirectly through first nations, to which he described the project bid as a “direct threat to the kind of economy we are trying to build.” It sounds like Eby is not a team player, but is only thinking about what is best for BC and not the nation....I think Moe says it best....it is not BC coast, but Canada's coast.... Eby doubles down on opposition to Alberta-backed pipeline project – True North Wire As Smith Pushes New Pipeline Plan, Eby Says No Way | The Tyee 'There is no B.C. coast. It's Canada's coast': Sask. premier supports Alta. pipeline proposal | Watch Tankers travel down the coast from Alaska to the contiguous states all the time. Does anybody think, even for one second, that Americans give a shit what Eby or any politicians from Ontario and Quebec have to say about the ability of American tankers to navigate in and around our sacrosanct tidewaters? Tankers come into Canada from other countries all the time, and *NEWSFLASH-LEFTITS* they come through our pristine tidewaters. We import 175 million barrels of oil a year via tanker traffic. Quebec and Ontario rely on that tanker traffic, as do the Maritime provs, and that traffic comes from notorious human-rights violators like Saudi Arabia and Nigeria. It's basically blood-oil. But the easterners love it, and it always has a place in our tidewaters. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
CdnFox Posted October 10, 2025 Report Posted October 10, 2025 2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Tankers travel down the coast from Alaska to the contiguous states all the time. Does anybody think, even for one second, that Americans give a shit what Eby or any politicians from Ontario and Quebec have to say about the ability of American tankers to navigate in and around our sacrosanct tidewaters? Tankers come into Canada from other countries all the time, and *NEWSFLASH-LEFTITS* they come through our pristine tidewaters. We import 175 million barrels of oil a year via tanker traffic. Quebec and Ontario rely on that tanker traffic, as do the Maritime provs, and that traffic comes from notorious human-rights violators like Saudi Arabia and Nigeria. It's basically blood-oil. But the easterners love it, and it always has a place in our tidewaters. It's largely about political powers. This was an opportunity for the first nations to establish their political power and they did and who can blame them. Their argument would be that while other tankers do cross Canadian Waters they do so well outside of the island chains that make up the traditional first nations territories. While an oil leak in the middle of the ocean is a Bad Thing, it's not as disaster it says it would be in one of the sounds. But at the end of the day as I already posted the majority of british Columbians are okay with the idea. This is about Eby and his base and the first nations Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
herbie Posted October 10, 2025 Report Posted October 10, 2025 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Tankers travel down the coast from Alaska to the contiguous states all the time. Someone posing as a western Canadian that doesn't know the difference between the BC coast and international waters? Why? To give the Yanks fodder to claim the Inside Passage isn't ours like they do with the NW Passage? There is no need to build a new pipeline and terminal in northern BC, there is already one not even fully utilized in the South. Use it and expand it if they want. The pipeline route is already approved an in use. Quote
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