Conservatives say: Jail not bail for violent, repeat offenders.

[blackbird]

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Jail, Not Bail for Violent, Repeat Offenders

Whereas after 10 years of Liberal government and soft-on-crime laws, violent crime in Canada has increased 55%.

Homicides are up 29%.

Total sexual assaults are up 76%.

Total firearms crime is up 131%.

Extortion is up 330%.

Theft of a motor vehicle is up 25%

Whereas the Liberals’ reckless bail reforms created a revolving-door justice system that makes it easier for repeat offenders, including those charged with gun crimes, sexual assault, and other violent offences, to get bail.

Whereas victims and law-abiding Canadians deserve a justice system that protects them, not one that enables violent criminals to terrorize our communities.

Therefore, we the undersigned call on Mark Carney and the Liberal government to support Pierre Poilievre and the Conservatives’ Jail Not Bail Act to:

Let’s stop the revolving door, fix the broken Liberal bail system, and keep repeat violent offenders in jail, not on bail.

Repeal Bill C-5 and restore mandatory sentences for serious violent crimes;

Repeal the Liberal “principle of restraint” that forces judges to release dangerous offenders “at the earliest opportunity”;

Make bail more restrictive for repeat violent offenders, especially those charged with gun crimes, intimate partner violence, and other serious offences;

Put public safety first and ensure real consequences for violent criminals.

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-- Conservative Party

I believe the current bail system is the biggest disaster with the Canadian justice system.  It is resulting in serious crimes being committed by people out on bail including murder, assaults, and robberies.  It is time to put the safety of law-abiding Canadians first.

[cannuck]

Have done some work inside of provincial institutions and #2 son-in-law worked in max security fed with the hardest cases in the country.  i also have a friend who has built up contract detention systems.  IMHO from what I have learned is some people just plain screw up and had no real understanding they were going to end up incarcerated.  Others knew full well that what they do is likely to land them in jail as a hazard of the job.  The latter bunch consider their time inside part of building their criminal network connections and learning skills from their encounters.  The first bunch might be able to rehabilitate and stay on track if they aren't recruited while inside.  The latter laugh their ass off about just about everything since they can get all of the booze, drugs, telephones and often sex from crooked guards.  Inside there is precious little rehab going on and even less punishment.

To fix this mess will take a lot more than just stopping the revolving door, but it's a good first step.

Of course it also doesn't help when we have immigration policies that welcome in every criminal who wants to join their pals in the wide open, unlimited potential victims in the GWN.

Edited October 5, 2025 by cannuck

[Gaétan]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

"

Jail, Not Bail for Violent, Repeat Offenders

Whereas after 10 years of Liberal government and soft-on-crime laws, violent crime in Canada has increased 55%.

Homicides are up 29%.

Total sexual assaults are up 76%.

Total firearms crime is up 131%.

Extortion is up 330%.

Theft of a motor vehicle is up 25%

Whereas the Liberals’ reckless bail reforms created a revolving-door justice system that makes it easier for repeat offenders, including those charged with gun crimes, sexual assault, and other violent offences, to get bail.

Whereas victims and law-abiding Canadians deserve a justice system that protects them, not one that enables violent criminals to terrorize our communities.

Therefore, we the undersigned call on Mark Carney and the Liberal government to support Pierre Poilievre and the Conservatives’ Jail Not Bail Act to:

Let’s stop the revolving door, fix the broken Liberal bail system, and keep repeat violent offenders in jail, not on bail.

Repeal Bill C-5 and restore mandatory sentences for serious violent crimes;

Repeal the Liberal “principle of restraint” that forces judges to release dangerous offenders “at the earliest opportunity”;

Make bail more restrictive for repeat violent offenders, especially those charged with gun crimes, intimate partner violence, and other serious offences;

Put public safety first and ensure real consequences for violent criminals.

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-- Conservative Party

I believe the current bail system is the biggest disaster with the Canadian justice system.  It is resulting in serious crimes being committed by people out on bail including murder, assaults, and robberies.  It is time to put the safety of law-abiding Canadians first.

You say you honour God. You say you care about justice. But Christ warned us plainly:

“This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.” — Matthew 15:8 (KJV)

If the Liberals failed in their duty, it was due to their lack of rehabilitation policies—because they behaved like the Conservatives.

They refused to fund rehabilitation—despite the fact that crime drains billions from public resources. Politicians should believe what science says rather than their mistaken beliefs.

Edited October 5, 2025 by Gaétan

[Moonbox]

Jail not bail. 

Axe the Tax

Drain the Swamp

Stop the Steal

 

Three words GOOOD.  More words BAAAD.  

[herbie]

The ability to claim things as one's own. eh?
I expect that everyone agrees with jail over bail for violent criminals, and almost no one disagrees.
Continue to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel good.

[Army Guy]

3 minutes ago, herbie said:

The ability to claim things as one's own. eh?
I expect that everyone agrees with jail over bail for violent criminals, and almost no one disagrees.
Continue to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel good.

So if everyone agrees why is our justice system not doing just that, changing it ...why do we continue to hire judges that have the same line of thinking , speaking of hiring who does it for the last 10 plus years....

[blackbird]

13 hours ago, herbie said:

I expect that everyone agrees with jail over bail for violent criminals, and almost no one disagrees.

Liberals and NDP do not agree to make the system jail over bail.   But they keep it secret.  They claim they are all for law and order, but that is not how they act. They hide their agenda in the wording of laws and their private ideology that allows dangerous offenders to continue to be released repeatedly.  Liberals and Supreme Court really believe it is unconstitutional to keep dangerous offenders locked up and they will do anything to avoid making serious changes.  They introduce meaningless changes to wordings in the law that do not really change the easy bail and soft-on-crime justice system.  

They also do not agree with mandatory minimum sentences.  Supreme Court has already ruled against mandatory minimum sentences and Liberals follow whatever SCC says.

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R. v. Myers (2016): The Supreme Court ruled that pre-trial detention is a last resort and should be used only when necessary. The court emphasized the importance of the presumption of innocence and the need for bail courts to uphold the rights of accused persons. 

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These rulings reflect a shift towards a more lenient approach to bail in Canada, aiming to ensure that individuals are not held in custody without reasonable grounds and that the rights of the accused are protected. The Supreme Court's decisions have been instrumental in shaping the bail system in Canada, ensuring that it is fair, just, and upholds the rights of all individuals involved in the criminal justice process.

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The liberal judges assume in many cases that repeat offenders are safe to release if they give them a list of conditions, which are often just ignored.

Edited October 6, 2025 by blackbird

[Gaétan]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Liberals and NDP do not agree.   But they keep it secret.  They claim they are all for law and order, but that is not how they act. They hide their agenda in the wording of laws and their private ideology that allows dangerous offenders to continue to be released repeatedly.  Liberals and Supreme Court really believe it is unconstitutional to keep dangerous offenders locked up and they will do anything to avoid making serious changes.  They introduce meaningless changes to wordings in the law that do not really change the easy bail and soft-on-crime justice system.  

They also do not agree with mandatory minimum sentences.  Supreme Court has already ruled against that and Liberals follow whatever SCC says.

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R. v. Myers (2016): The Supreme Court ruled that pre-trial detention is a last resort and should be used only when necessary. The court emphasized the importance of the presumption of innocence and the need for bail courts to uphold the rights of accused persons. 

1

These rulings reflect a shift towards a more lenient approach to bail in Canada, aiming to ensure that individuals are not held in custody without reasonable grounds and that the rights of the accused are protected. The Supreme Court's decisions have been instrumental in shaping the bail system in Canada, ensuring that it is fair, just, and upholds the rights of all individuals involved in the criminal justice process.

6 Sources  "

The liberal judges assume in many cases that repeat offenders are safe to release if they give them a list of conditions, which are often just ignored.

The rules of justice you appliy to others also apply to you.

Matthew 7:2 (KJV) “For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

You are an unjust and an hypocrite

Edited October 6, 2025 by Gaétan

[blackbird]

[Gaétan]

36 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Recidivism persists because both liberals and conservatives fail to provide meaningful rehabilitation. They send offenders back into the same environment without support—ensuring the cycle continues.”

[cannuck]

3 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Recidivism persists because both liberals and conservatives fail to provide meaningful rehabilitation. They send offenders back into the same environment without support—ensuring the cycle continues.”

It's not rehabilitation that's missing, it punishment.   When there are no more consequences than an all expense paid trip to the University of Crime there is little to no deterrence - as the numbers prove.

Edited October 6, 2025 by cannuck

[herbie]

9 hours ago, blackbird said:

Liberals and NDP do not agree to make the system jail over bail.   But they keep it secret

Absolute nonsense.
The entire problem is that you have an absolute right to bail determined by the Courts and you need legislation that will get around that ruling and withstand a challenge.
What we don't need is more mor0nic Conservative knee-jerk rushed crime laws that will be struck down one by one like the Harper era's explosive diarrhea of Crime bills.
Like it or not, that's the way it is and no 'simple solution' to satisfy simpletons is going to get around it.
So simply wait a few more weeks and see what the Liberals proposal is rather than carry on with the BS that they want to do nothing.

[Gaétan]

2 hours ago, cannuck said:

It's not rehabilitation that's missing, it punishment.   When there are no more consequences than an all expense paid trip to the University of Crime there is little to no deterrence - as the numbers prove.

“If politicians base their policies on things that are not supported by science and justice, it will lead nowhere but the chaos''

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

Absolute nonsense.
The entire problem is that you have an absolute right to bail determined by the Courts and you need legislation that will get around that ruling and withstand a challenge.
What we don't need is more mor0nic Conservative knee-jerk rushed crime laws that will be struck down one by one like the Harper era's explosive diarrhea of Crime bills.
Like it or not, that's the way it is and no 'simple solution' to satisfy simpletons is going to get around it.
So simply wait a few more weeks and see what the Liberals proposal is rather than carry on with the BS that they want to do nothing.

Why are you against keeping dangerous or repeat offenders behind bars?

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Why are you against keeping dangerous or repeat offenders behind bars?

Because I want the same rules that apply to others to apply to me, I don't hold a double standard. But you can't release a criminal without providing support.

[herbie]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Why are you against keeping dangerous or repeat offenders behind bars?

What the hell indicates that I am? Can't you read at face value and see I'm merely stating it's not a snap your fingers and it's done process!

What the hell is with you so called conservatives you can't figure out anyone not slobbering in 100% agreement with you is NOT ARGUING AGAINST what you said?
Over and over then you must be for the terrorists/murderers etc etc etc when posters say no such thing, Quite obvious some of you line in a world of constant negativity and victimhood.

And bawling repeatedly in multiple threads about something forthcoming in a matter of days only goes to prove that last statement. Your not asking what will they do, even what should they do, merely insisting they won't do anything at at all, they can't etc etc.

[Shady]

Today the Liberals voted to keep Canada’s revolving door bail system in place.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Your not asking what will they do, even what should they do, merely insisting they won't do anything at at all, they can't etc etc.

If you had been paying attention to the news, this issue of catch and release has been going on for years.  The police chiefs and political leaders have been complaining to the federal government for years and nothing has been done.  Why do you think Conservatives are skeptical anything serious will be done by Carney?   We will believe it when we see it.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Only electric chair not jail for violent repeat offenders. Do not reward these subhumans with free food and housing. Send a signal to them. You hurt defenseless innocent people again and again, you will die and serve time in hell. Save the lives of his next innocent victims, not the life of the criminal instead.

Edited October 7, 2025 by CITIZEN_2015

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

What the hell indicates that I am? Can't you read at face value and see I'm merely stating it's not a snap your fingers and it's done process!

What the hell is with you so called conservatives you can't figure out anyone not slobbering in 100% agreement with you is NOT ARGUING AGAINST what you said?
Over and over then you must be for the terrorists/murderers etc etc etc when posters say no such thing, Quite obvious some of you line in a world of constant negativity and victimhood.

And bawling repeatedly in multiple threads about something forthcoming in a matter of days only goes to prove that last statement. Your not asking what will they do, even what should they do, merely insisting they won't do anything at at all, they can't etc etc.

You are deaf and blind to what is happening.  Believe it or not....This dangerous offender was arrested in a shooting and released on bail.  Source Toronto Sun, Oct. 3, 2025.

 

Edited October 7, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Today the Liberals voted to keep Canada’s revolving door bail system in place.

Liberals are useless.  They are responsible for many of the tragedies that happened as result of their useless justice system.

[herbie]

Get it thru your head. I am not deaf and bling to what's happening and I'm as pi$$ed as anyone else they've taken so long.
Their motion is about to be tabled and there's absolute no point in whining yet again about the past.
See it, critique it and whine about it when it's delivered.

And I know it will be 'no good' in most of your eyes simply because the Liberals put it on the floor and not the Tories.

[Gaétan]

The just person desires a system of justice that is lenient not only for themselves but also for others. The unjust person likewise wants a system that is lenient for themselves—but harsh for others.

[I am Groot]

On 10/5/2025 at 5:56 AM, Gaétan said:

They refused to fund rehabilitation—despite the fact that crime drains billions from public resources. Politicians should believe what science says rather than their mistaken beliefs.

Sometimes people are just bad. They can't be rehabilitated. Others, there's no point. They've done something too evil and should be locked away forever.

On 10/6/2025 at 2:37 PM, herbie said:

Absolute nonsense.
The entire problem is that you have an absolute right to bail determined by the Courts and you need legislation that will get around that ruling and withstand a challenge.

You mean like we had before the Liberals came along and changed the rules?

 

[I am Groot]

On 10/5/2025 at 10:37 PM, herbie said:

The ability to claim things as one's own. eh?
I expect that everyone agrees with jail over bail for violent criminals, and almost no one disagrees.

That is so blatantly untrue, I have to wonder why you'd post it.

You want to know who disagrees? All the judges in Canada, and the entirety of the Liberal Party, the Bloc Québécois, and the NDP. Probably the Greens too, though, who cares what they think or say.

I saw a poorly created cartoon some short time back. It was two football teams facing off. The one team were uniformed police. The other team were politicians and judges. The judges were the blockers. The whistle blew, and the judges forced their way through the police so that the violent criminal with a knife could race through and gleefully start stabbing innocent people on the other side of the police.

That's the way a growing number of people are coming to see the crime problem. Especially here where Trudeau has spent ten years appointing social justice advocates to the judiciary.

Edited October 10, 2025 by I am Groot