Canada and other NATO members recognize Palestine in Defiance of US government

[Moonlight Graham]

16 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The conditions were quite clearly laid out in the declaration 

All it says is Hamas can play no part in it:  https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/statements/2025/09/21/statement-prime-minister-carney-on-canada-recognition-state-palestine

It also lies and says this isn't a reward for terrorism, which it obviously is.

[gatomontes99]

Giving land to the Palestinians is like giving Germany to the Nazis. Not theoretically. It is exactly like that. They will use any legitimacy they killed to kill jews. That is a 1000% guarantee. There is a reason no Arab countries will take them.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Legato said:

All in all, all would not be some but all.

Now you prove it was not all but some.

You don't know how many so you can't know it is ALL.

31 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

All it says is Hamas can play no part in it:  https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/statements/2025/09/21/statement-prime-minister-carney-on-canada-recognition-state-palestine

It also lies and says this isn't a reward for terrorism, which it obviously is.

The terrorism which is being "rewarded" (punished) is Israel's.

[Legato]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You don't know how many so you can't know it is ALL.

 

 

Once a double negative, always a double negative.

Two pobbles do not make a pobble.

[eyeball]

On 9/21/2025 at 6:40 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Statehood should be negotiated through peace talks.  These did not occur.   

Palestinian statehood was established 75 years ago.

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What guarantees does Canada have here?   What conditions must be met and what if they're not?  Canada has given up all of their leverage here for what exactly?  More NDP votes?

What sort of leverage did we expect when Canada accepted the job of putting together the partition plan meant to ensure the Palestinian state would be established?

[User]

Just a meaningless gesture to spite Israel and reward terrorism. 
 

 

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Palestinian statehood was established 75 years ago.

The West Bank was controlled by Jordan and Gaza controlled by Egypt 75 years ago.  Every Arab political entity including Palestinian leadership rejected the 2-state solution and its borders.  Stop making up nonsense.

[User]

13 hours ago, robosmith said:

The terrorism which is being "rewarded" (punished) is Israel's.

So, you support Hamas and their terrorism.

Just have enough balls to admit it. 

[BeaverFever]

13 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Giving land to the Palestinians is like giving Germany to the Nazis. Not theoretically. It is exactly like that. They will use any legitimacy they killed to kill jews. That is a 1000% guarantee. There is a reason no Arab countries will take them.

No, “giving land” to Palestinians and saying Hamas can play no part is like giving Germany to the Germans and saying Nazis can play no part, which is exactly what happened.  

14 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

All it says is Hamas can play no part in it:  https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/statements/2025/09/21/statement-prime-minister-carney-on-canada-recognition-state-palestine

It also lies and says this isn't a reward for terrorism, which it obviously is.

No, its not. Hamas doesn’t want a 2 state solution either. 

[robosmith]

14 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

There is a reason no Arab countries will take them.

And that reason is, they don't want to let Israel off the hook of providing land to the Palestinians, after they terrorized the Palestinians, driving them off their land in 1948.

[WestCanMan]

Canada's support for terrorism under uts LPOC Gov'ts was never in doubt. 

When the Greens finally realize that E May will never lead them to the promised land (4 seats), and they re-dump her, she will get a big pay raise from the Taliban. She's the one woman they have some use for, as something aside from a babymaker or punching bag.  

Edited September 23, 2025 by WestCanMan

[gatomontes99]

44 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

No, “giving land” to Palestinians and saying Hamas can play no part is like giving Germany to the Germans and saying Nazis can play no part, which is exactly what happened.  

They

Voted

For 

Hamas

 

18 minutes ago, robosmith said:

And that reason is, they don't want to let Israel off the hook of providing land to the Palestinians, after they terrorized the Palestinians, driving them off their land in 1948.

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Riiiiight. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 9/21/2025 at 11:10 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Statehood should be negotiated through peace talks.  These did not occur.   What guarantees does Canada have here?   What conditions must be met and what if they're not?  Canada has given up all of their leverage here for what exactly?  More NDP votes?

Netanyahu has stated in the last few days that he will never allow a Palestinian state and his entire career has been devoted to stopping it. Third parties have to express their opinion here. 

Edited September 23, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Netanyahu has stated in the last few days that he will never allow a Palestinian state annd his entire career has been devoted to stopping it. Third parties have to express their opinion here. 

Netanyahu has to continue the war to completely destroy Gaza to keep from GOING TO JAIL.

The ULTRA RIGHT wing is his ONLY ALLY NOW and they want to completely ethnically cleanse Palestinians (except perhaps the token 20% who live in Israel).

[SpankyMcFarland]

The current situation should be intolerable for any state calling itself a liberal democracy. Israel controls the lives of millions of Palestinians it has no intention of ever giving citizenship or full rights to. That’s the definition of apartheid. The recognition by Canada focuses attention on other matters too, eg the right of Palestinians to the houses and land they own which is constantly being violated by Israel in the West Bank. 

[User]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Netanyahu has to continue the war to completely destroy Gaza to keep from GOING TO JAIL.

The ULTRA RIGHT wing is his ONLY ALLY NOW and they want to completely ethnically cleanse Palestinians (except perhaps the token 20% who live in Israel).

Ah yes, that tricky Netanyahu is keeping Hamas from surrender and returning all the hostages now!

You are a conspiratorial nut job. 

[User]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Netanyahu has stated in the last few days that he will never allow a Palestinian state and his entire career has been devoted to stopping it. Third parties have to express their opinion here. 

Congratulations, like many leftists do, they never think through the consequences and now watch Israel annex the entire West Bank and take complete control of Gaza. There will be no chance for statehood then. 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

And that reason is, they don't want to let Israel off the hook of providing land to the Palestinians, after they terrorized the Palestinians, driving them off their land in 1948.

WTF alternate reality does your head exist in?

The Palestinians had their own land in 1948 after Israel became a state. They chose to wage war against Israel and lost. Repeatedly. The Arab nations could not stand for an Israeli country to exist.

[SpankyMcFarland]

On an apolitical note, I just saw Bob Rae coming up the escalator at the UN with his mouth open. Older people should make a conscious effort to keep their mouths closed on TV. They look nursing home-worthy otherwise. 

Edited September 23, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

Basically the whole world has recognized Palestine already so I don’t know what the big deal is. Israel may use this as an excuse to take yet more land but it’s going to do that anyway. It’s funny how upset the Israelis and Yanks get over what they claim is a meaningless exercise. Make your minds up, guys. 

Edited September 23, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[User]

42 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Basically the whole world has recognized Palestine already so I don’t know what the big deal is. Israel may use this as an excuse to take yet more land but it’s going to do that anyway. It’s funny how upset the Israelis and Yanks get over what they claim is a meaningless exercise. Make your minds up, guys. 

You can't even define what "Palestine" is that you are supporting the recognition of as being a state and whatever it is you think it should be doesn't likely exist either. 

 

[BeaverFever]

5 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

They

Voted

For 

Hamas

And The Germans voted for  Hitler what’s your point?  This is your analogy here so be consistent  

And besides that ONE election was decades ago already, and was an anti-incumbent vote against the PA due to dissatisfaction with corruption. Hamas at the time did not campaign  on attacking Israel and even promised a ling-term truce 

[paxamericana]

You mean Canada and the other NATO countries are supporters terror? 

[robosmith]

51 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

You mean Canada and the other NATO countries are supporters terror? 

Are you really ^this simple minded? Or purposely OBTUSE.

More like anti-Israeli complete destruction of Gaza and ethnic cleansing.

Most Israeli Jews are, too, because negotiations get hostage released, NOT BOMBS.

[User]

53 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

And The Germans voted for  Hitler what’s your point?  This is your analogy here so be consistent  

And besides that ONE election was decades ago already, and was an anti-incumbent vote against the PA due to dissatisfaction with corruption. Hamas at the time did not campaign  on attacking Israel and even promised a ling-term truce 

I swear, there is not an ounce of integrity in your body. 

Hamas was the force fighting Israel before the election, they bragged about how they were the ones who defeated Israel and drove them out and that is was jihad that worked, and they literally were the ones calling for the destruction of Israel at the time as well. 

Literally everything you have said here is just an outright falsehood about the character of Hamas at the time. 

"Polls had predicted a coalition between the two parties as the most likely outcome of the vote, but a surprise surge in support for the Islamists took a party that calls for the destruction of the state of Israel into power."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/jan/26/israel1

"The exit of the Qureia cabinet will change the wider politics of the region. Fatah, the party of Yasser Arafat and President Mahmoud Abbas - supports a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, while the founding charter of Hamas commits it to the destruction of the Jewish state."

Literally everything you have said is just outright false:

" Mushir al-Masri, who won a seat for Hamas in the northern Gaza Strip, insisted peace talks or recognition of Israel were not on its agenda."