Army Guy Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: We're not 'throwing the doors open' to China, but are back to where we were 2 years ago. China is nobodies friend but are one of those 'casual buddies' you need to do business with. The auto agreement will provide affordable EV options for consumers, and definitely disagree we aren't getting anything....what about agriculture/canola and seafood agreements? Better question would be how do you replace it if we say 'no thanks' to auto's.... answer is you don't. I don't agree with forced labor but I also don't agree with taking military action against countries for their oil, threatening allies with annexation, or insider trading at the most senior levels of government.... but such is life. Like Carney said... accept the world for what it is, not what we want it to be. Calculated trade relationships are a fact in today's world, like it or not. Why do we need to do business with China? are you saying we can not replace that portion of our trade....it represents less than 4 % BS, we have good product and I'm sure we can find a replacement..... So where is the red line here, or is there a red line at all, do we start a trade deal with Columbia, for drugs, It is a huge industry, how about Iran, Russia, why have we cut those guys off....If we are dropping all our morals and values for trade and income where is the red line... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
LinkSoul60 Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 8 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Why do we need to do business with China? are you saying we can not replace that portion of our trade....it represents less than 4 % BS, we have good product and I'm sure we can find a replacement..... So where is the red line here, or is there a red line at all, do we start a trade deal with Columbia, for drugs, It is a huge industry, how about Iran, Russia, why have we cut those guys off....If we are dropping all our morals and values for trade and income where is the red line... Correct. China is and has been our second largest trading partner for the last 20+ years. If you're 'sure' we could have replaced their trade why haven't we? Won't even comment on the other country nonsense.... Quote
CdnFox Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 24 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: There is no such agreement tariffs won't be applied again, So we got nothing. Well thanks for at least admitting it . IF they'd come away with a trade deal then perhaps sacrificing our auto sector might have been worth something. Quote just like there is no agreement we won't put tariffs on EV's again. The problem with that is once we let the ev's into the market, we have to support them. Politically you can't say "no more ev parts for the ev you just bought mr voter". We DID guarantee that a certain number would be allowed in essentially tariff free and we have to stick to that commitment. Once that's done it's very hard to start imposing tariffs again. And that's just round one, the longer this goes on the more impossible it gets. they know that. Quote Is this supposed to be some sort of position saying it's not good for those benefitting.... Pay attention. I'll go slow. They have never been allowed to sell their vehicles here. There are no chinese autos in canada. Some companies have vehicles they MADE in china sold here but evne that is very rare (tesla) and we deliberately have prevented allowing them into the north american market. Now, they threatened us with canola tariffs something we've been selling to them for ages. To get them to give us back what we already had they demanded access to something they've NEVER had, our auto market and all those auto jobs. Which we gave them. And we got NO promises they wouldn't just put the tariffs back on. That is a BAD deal. Period. It helped some farmers a little, it trashed the auto industry a lot. And we won't get that auto industry back, but the farmers might just get their canola tariffs back at any time. Truth is you can't even really call it a deal for us, it was just a deal for them and some vague promises for us Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Correct. China is and has been our second largest trading partner for the last 20+ years. If you're 'sure' we could have replaced their trade why haven't we? Canada gets by just fine without china if it has to. Let's put this in perspective. United states represents 78 percent of our trade. China is about 11. Europe is about 10. On the flip side china desperately needs our energy and other resources. We represented relatively small Source at the moment but a vital one and one they desperately want to expand because their other sources are limited We should not be giving them anything for free. We can expand trade with other partners and replace much of the trade that goes to china. Of course the real answer is "why not do both?" and that's correct. we should expand trade AND also trade with china .... but ONLY if the deal is worth it for us. This deal is not worth it, we should not be giving away entire markets for free Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
LinkSoul60 Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: So we got nothing. Not according to canola farmers and fisherman. 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The problem with that is once we let the ev's into the market, we have to support them. They have to support them. 5 minutes ago, CdnFox said: There are no chinese autos in canada. Except for Tesla's, Volvo/Polestar's, you're correct. 6 minutes ago, CdnFox said: That is a BAD deal. Period. It's a liberal government deal so of course it's a bad is to you. Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: LOL Sure kid Sounds like you're having a bad day. Mommie tell you you're too old to breast feed again? Try paying her, that works for everyone else... So sad you try to disprove your paedophiliac LOSER ways and still remain a LOSER LOL LOL LOL Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said: Not according to canola farmers and fisherman. Less than nothing according to the auto sector Doug Ford slams Canada’s 'lopsided' new EV deal with China | CBC News Auto sector urges ‘Team Canada’ approach after China EV trade deal; ‘We are in the fight of our lives’ – CTVNews So basically we helped one industry and sold out another. And we gave them access to an industry that they never had before That's a net bad deal for us. While I'm sure the people that benefited are happy with it the people that are hurt by it are exactly the opposite. But overall for Canada it's a bad deal 3 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: They have to support them. Which means they get permanent access to our industry no matter what. Well it's technically possible to kick them out the reality is is they won't be able to. But they could still slap tariffs on our canola with no problem 4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Except for Tesla's, Volvo/Polestar's, you're correct. And those aren't Chinese cars those are North American and European cars made in china which is not the same thing. 5 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: It's a liberal government deal so of course it's a bad is to you. It's a bad deal because it's a bad deal. It's objectively a bad deal. I can point to the parts of it that are bad and explain in detail why they're bad. It gives them something they've never had and doesn't even get back everything we used to have and they can use it as a knife to our throat anytime they want to in the future but we're going to be stuck with their cars Attempting to dismiss it is just because it's a liberal deal as childish You've already admitted that we got nothing for it, we got a little bit of relief for some farmers and some fishermen that we can't guarantee will even last through the summer and in exchange they got access to a market that's going to cause massive pain for the auto making sector This is just a bad deal. And if you cared about Canada and weren't such a liberal cultist even you would have to say this isn't a good deal 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
LinkSoul60 Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Less than nothing according to the auto sector Doug Ford slams Canada’s 'lopsided' new EV deal with China | CBC News Auto sector urges ‘Team Canada’ approach after China EV trade deal; ‘We are in the fight of our lives’ – CTVNews So basically we helped one industry and sold out another. And we gave them access to an industry that they never had before That's a net bad deal for us. While I'm sure the people that benefited are happy with it the people that are hurt by it are exactly the opposite. But overall for Canada it's a bad deal Which means they get permanent access to our industry no matter what. Well it's technically possible to kick them out the reality is is they won't be able to. But they could still slap tariffs on our canola with no problem And those aren't Chinese cars those are North American and European cars made in china which is not the same thing. It's a bad deal because it's a bad deal. It's objectively a bad deal. I can point to the parts of it that are bad and explain in detail why they're bad. It gives them something they've never had and doesn't even get back everything we used to have and they can use it as a knife to our throat anytime they want to in the future but we're going to be stuck with their cars Attempting to dismiss it is just because it's a liberal deal as childish You've already admitted that we got nothing for it, we got a little bit of relief for some farmers and some fishermen that we can't guarantee will even last through the summer and in exchange they got access to a market that's going to cause massive pain for the auto making sector This is just a bad deal. And if you cared about Canada and weren't such a liberal cultist even you would have to say this isn't a good deal I'm not doing a back and forth and around in circles with you on this. Again, if you don't want to read, that's your problem. You can't get your head around anything that's liberal, which is also your problem. If you think it's a bad deal... so be it. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: There is no such agreement tariffs won't be applied again, So we got nothing. Well thanks for at least admitting it . IF they'd come away with a trade deal then perhaps sacrificing our auto sector might have been worth something. Quote just like there is no agreement we won't put tariffs on EV's again. The problem with that is once we let the ev's into the market, we have to support them. Politically you can't say "no more ev parts for the ev you just bought mr voter". We DID guarantee that a certain number would be allowed in essentially tariff free and we have to stick to that commitment. Once that's done it's very hard to start imposing tariffs again. And that's just round one, the longer this goes on the more impossible it gets. they know that. Quote Is this supposed to be some sort of position saying it's not good for those benefitting.... Pay attention. I'll go slow. They have never been allowed to sell their vehicles here. There are no chinese autos in canada. Some companies have vehicles they MADE in china sold here but evne that is very rare (tesla) and we deliberately have prevented allowing them into the north american market. Now, they threatened us with canola tariffs something we've been selling to them for ages. To get them to give us back what we already had they demanded access to something they've NEVER had, our auto market and all those auto jobs. Which we gave them. And we got NO promises they wouldn't just put the tariffs back on. That is a BAD deal. Period. It helped some farmers a little, it trashed the auto industry a lot. And we won't get that auto industry back, but the farmers might just get their canola tariffs back at any time. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Army Guy Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 57 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Correct. China is and has been our second largest trading partner for the last 20+ years. If you're 'sure' we could have replaced their trade why haven't we? Won't even comment on the other country nonsense.... That's a good question last time Justin entire stick was we need to diversify our Chinese trade....And yet here we are after all that pain and suffering we have re written our moral and values code, now it is ok to trade with people that have a huge record of unfair tariffs or trade practices, now Liberals view it as we can trade with anyone...now that are moral compass does not get in the way...which is why i asked can we trade with Russia, Iran, maybe Cuba...and if not why ? i know why becasue you don't have the answers and some place out there in liberal land there is a red line , where is it ? Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 38 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: I'm not doing a back and forth and around in circles with you on this. Again, if you don't want to read, that's your problem. You can't get your head around anything that's liberal, which is also your problem. If you think it's a bad deal... so be it. That's the answer to everything, so be it, We have lots of bad choices when it comes to a lot of Canadian industries, maybe that should be the new Liberal moto so be it... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: If we are dropping all our morals and values for trade and income where is the red line... Assuming human rights matter we crossed it decades ago. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Legato Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: According to people who actually know something about the industry, yes it was... Canola growers thrilled with China agreement SASKATOON — Canada’s canola growers are thrilled that China is rolling back import tariffs on canola seed and meal. “This is a huge deal,” said Andre Harpe, chair of the Canadian Canola Growers Association. “China was our second biggest market. In 2024, they took a third of our canola (exports), and that market essentially disappeared overnight.” Canola industry welcomes significant progress on Chinese tariffs CCC & CCGA release January 16, 2026 – The Canola Council of Canada (CCC) and Canadian Canola Growers Association (CCGA) welcome the announcement made today in Beijing to provide significant tariff relief for Canadian canola seed and meal. Under the agreement reached between Canada and China, tariffs on Canadian canola seed imports are expected to be reduced to 15% as of March 1, 2026, and the current 100% tariffs on canola meal are expected to be removed as of March 1, 2026, until at least the end of the calendar year. “The agreement reached on canola seed and meal is an important milestone in Canada’s trading relationship with China,” says Chris Davison, CCC President & CEO. “The Canadian canola industry has been clear since the outset that these tariffs are a political issue requiring a political solution. We are pleased to see significant progress in restoring market access for seed and meal and will continue to build on this development by working to achieve permanent and complete tariff relief, including for canola oil, moving forward.” “With most of the 2025 canola crop stored on farm, and planting of the 2026 crop only months away, canola farmers are looking for predictability and confidence in the ability to market their canola,” says Rick White, President & CEO at CCGA. “We are pleased to see this significant progress and will be looking for resumption of canola movement in the future.” Canadian exports of canola and canola products to China were valued at approximately $5 billion in 2024. For 2025, export value to China is expected to plummet to less than half that amount. China is Canada’s largest market for canola seed and second largest market for canola meal. “With the impacts of this trade disruption being felt across the entire Canadian canola value chain, we welcome meaningful progress to restore smoother, more predictable trade,” say Davison and White. “We greatly appreciate the efforts of Prime Minister Carney and the Government of Canada, including Agriculture and Agri-Food Minister Heath MacDonald, to re-establish bilateral trade with our second largest export market.” Comprehension difficulties again. We started off with a 9% tariff and ended up with a 15% tariff and kicked the auto industry in the nuts. Your knight in shining armor is just another hollow man. Quote
Reg Volk Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 Quote As Democrat and Liberal governments fall, Republicans and Conservatives come to the rescue.
CdnFox Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 7 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: I'm not doing a back and forth and around in circles with you on this. You mean when i proved your point wrong, you got upset and wanted to take your ball and go home. You WERE the one who brought up examples, now you're butthurt i did the same? Gotcha. 7 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: Again, if you don't want to read, that's your problem. I read just fine. Sorry to hear that your cult isn't living up to your expectations and now your buthurt about it But as I showed you wrong. Which is why you're running away crying now Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
LinkSoul60 Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 14 hours ago, Legato said: Comprehension difficulties again. We started off with a 9% tariff and ended up with a 15% tariff and kicked the auto industry in the nuts. Your knight in shining armor is just another hollow man. Apparently you do have trouble comprehending the industries satisfaction with the agreement... Pay attention.... The auto industry has been kicked in the nuts for the past 20 years. And your guy is.... who? Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 10 hours ago, CdnFox said: You mean when i proved your point wrong, you got upset and wanted to take your ball and go home. You WERE the one who brought up examples, now you're butthurt i did the same? Gotcha. I read just fine. Sorry to hear that your cult isn't living up to your expectations and now your buthurt about it But as I showed you wrong. Which is why you're running away crying now No, just little interest in discussing something with a person who lacks the intellect to think outside of their little world. You probably need all the props you can get so pat yourself on the back for another one of your so-called wins. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: No, just little interest in discussing something with a person who lacks the intellect to think outside of their little world. Kid it is painfully obvious that you know you're wrong and you're avoiding further discussion because emotionally it's difficult for you to cope with. And we see this with a lot with people on the left. You emotionally invest in an answer, you try and logic your way back to a question, and that makes it easy to pick apart your argument which upsets you because you've emotionally invested in the answer even though it's wrong As I have demonstrated this deal hurts almost as many people as it allegedly helps, it offers no guarantees or protections for us while offering reasonable guarantees and protections for china, it doesn't give us anything we didn't have before whereas they get access to a whole new industry, it is demonstrably a bad deal. There's nothing you can really say to argue that of course because I'm right so instead you run around in circles claiming you just won't because that's not what discussion forums are for or something LOLOL Sorry that you're guy is a disappointment. But it's probably time you start learning to face the truth about things. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Legato Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 3 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Apparently you do have trouble comprehending the industries satisfaction with the agreement... Pay attention.... The auto industry has been kicked in the nuts for the past 20 years. And your guy is.... who? Satisfied with a higher rate? Goebbels would be proud of you. Attention? Lol Solid enough that you fear him. 1 Quote
ironstone Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 This article sums up Liberal tactics pretty well. Liberals have perfected the practice of announcing things they will never do The policy is always just to make an announcement, and then re-announce later on https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-weissenberger-liberals-have-perfected-the-practice-of-announcing-things-they-will-never-do No denying that this tactic is very effective though, even as they continually accomplish next to nothing. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
LinkSoul60 Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 1 minute ago, Legato said: Satisfied with a higher rate? Goebbels would be proud of you. Attention? Lol Solid enough that you fear him. Why do you disagree with the industry's satisfaction of the agreements? Yes, I'd fear anyone as completely under-qualified as Poilievre to be our PM, as ~70% of the population thinks the same. Quote
Legato Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Why do you disagree with the industry's satisfaction of the agreements? Yes, I'd fear anyone as completely under-qualified as Poilievre to be our PM, as ~70% of the population thinks the same. Odd take. You seem to think that the industry is okay a higher tariff. They're just happy for small mercy's. Yes the fear is palpable. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 9 minutes ago, Legato said: Odd take. You seem to think that the industry is okay a higher tariff. They're just happy for small mercy's. Yes the fear is palpable. What is it in the industry's comments that you didn't understand? Sure, go with that... Quote
Legato Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 Just now, LinkSoul60 said: What is it in the industry's comments that you didn't understand? Sure, go with that... Go and find someone else who's interested in plaiting sawdust. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 Just now, Legato said: Go and find someone else who's interested in plaiting sawdust. Typically, lots of talk, just nothing to substantiate it... Canola and Seafood Tariff Changes (2026) Canola Meal & Peas: China suspended 100% tariffs on these products. Canola Seed: Tariffs were reduced to a combined rate of 14.9% (following a 5.9% anti-dumping duty added to the 9% MFN duty), down from nearly 85%. Seafood: 25% tariffs on lobster and crab were removed Quote
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