What The Liberals Did To Canada

[PIK]

5 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Corruption and shovels in the ground.  Soundbite Poilievre has a way with words....

Agree on the spending and we'll find out more there soon enough.  The fact of the matter is though is that you need policy and committed proponents/investors in projects, and then actual plans and timelines before 'shovels go in the ground'.  If we were building playgrounds I'd agree. Infrastructure projects don't start happening overnight.

You lost me on Harpers wife and MSM....  

Our PMs family lives in New York. But as the investors keep telling carney to get rid of the regs and red tape. Which IMO not going to happen.

[I am Groot]

14 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

The time frame is long but won't disagree that it's aspirational. I agree that we need to lessen immigration numbers. Not convinced on TFW's though. I don't know much about the phony asylum seekers.

Why are you not convinced of the absurdity of slashing foreign workers when we have a rising unemployment rate? The unemployment rate among young people who would be looking for their entry-level jobs is now 14%, but over 16% in major cities. I'm okay with agricultural foreign workers, and to an extent, okay with certain semi-isolated areas with unpleasant jobs like fish plants and meat packing plants. I'm not okay with using it in big cities.

In 2015 Canada had 15k asylum claims. The acceptance rate was 40%. Last year, we had 190k claims and the acceptance rate was 87%. None of these people were selected for their skills or abilities. None were screened other than against terrorist watch lists. Many had no ID, having destroyed it en route to make it harder to identity and thus deport them. Most came through safe third countries to get here, even travelling through the US to get here because we accept virtually everyone. It now takes four years after filing a claim to get an initial hearing. Claimants are eligible for health care and social services throughout.

[I am Groot]

14 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

From negotiating with the man child to China to Muslims to organized crime... Okay.

The conservatives would instantly agree to what.... giving Trump what he wants?  

There have been any number of signals, especially of late, that what the US wants is more of a total package, not just economic. They want agreement on military expansion, on reining in organized crime, especially the money laundering, on reining in Chinese influence and foreign, esp Chinese intelligence and espionage. They want us to cut back on the myriad regulations that prevent our exploiting our natural resources to mine critical metals as well as oil and gas. They want us to stop letting in masses unscreened or barely screened people, especially Muslims (who are most likely to want to commit terrorist acts against them). I don't think the Conservatives would really have a problem with any of that. But I can certainly see where the Liberals would strongly resist.

14 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

So what would Poilievre do, or what would be your suggestion?

I believe he could get a deal with Trump. I believe he's signalled often that his primary interest is expanding the economy by cutting back on restrictions and regulations for natural resources industries. He'd also much much faster in reining in crime and foreign influence than the sluggish/indifferent/unwilling Liberals, and would work to balance the budget.

[I am Groot]

14 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I agree on immigration.  What multi-billion dollar agency?  Do you mean providing long-term 'financing'?  Agree, less bureaucracy in that space.  Not sure what you mean by regulations?  

You missed the grandiose announcement of Build Canada Homes?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-new-housing-agency-1.7632981

Several studies have pointed out the government barriers to homebuilding, including a myriad of taxes and fees, which started to rapidly escalate in 2015 now account for a third of the cost of new homes. In Vancouver it's even more than that.

https://cdhowe.org/publication/buyers-beware-cost-barriers-building-housing-canadian-cities/

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

And maybe thèy just want take everything they can get and charge big tariffs at the same time. 

``If the Conservatives were in power, they'd instantly agree since all that matches their agenda.``

You said it. PeePee would cave to Trump at the first chance!

So you don't want a crackdown on crime, on organized crime and money laundering, on foreign influence and espionage, on the unscreened mass of third-world migrants coming to Canada?

Clearly, you're a Liberal.

[LinkSoul60]

9 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Why are you not convinced of the absurdity of slashing foreign workers when we have a rising unemployment rate? The unemployment rate among young people who would be looking for their entry-level jobs is now 14%, but over 16% in major cities. I'm okay with agricultural foreign workers, and to an extent, okay with certain semi-isolated areas with unpleasant jobs like fish plants and meat packing plants. I'm not okay with using it in big cities.

In 2015 Canada had 15k asylum claims. The acceptance rate was 40%. Last year, we had 190k claims and the acceptance rate was 87%. None of these people were selected for their skills or abilities. None were screened other than against terrorist watch lists. Many had no ID, having destroyed it en route to make it harder to identity and thus deport them. Most came through safe third countries to get here, even travelling through the US to get here because we accept virtually everyone. It now takes four years after filing a claim to get an initial hearing. Claimants are eligible for health care and social services throughout.

I didn't say I disagreed with reducing number of TFW's, but I'm not convinced it's the issue Poilievre is trying to make it.  Agree, you have mayor and business leaders in outlying communities saying they're essential.  You have conservative MP's saying they're essential....and that includes the big city.  Like everything...revisit it and tweak where needed.

Again, don't disagree at all that our immigration policy needs to be level set to today's reality.

[LinkSoul60]

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

There have been any number of signals, especially of late, that what the US wants is more of a total package, not just economic. They want agreement on military expansion, on reining in organized crime, especially the money laundering, on reining in Chinese influence and foreign, esp Chinese intelligence and espionage. They want us to cut back on the myriad regulations that prevent our exploiting our natural resources to mine critical metals as well as oil and gas. They want us to stop letting in masses unscreened or barely screened people, especially Muslims (who are most likely to want to commit terrorist acts against them). I don't think the Conservatives would really have a problem with any of that. But I can certainly see where the Liberals would strongly resist.

I believe he could get a deal with Trump. I believe he's signalled often that his primary interest is expanding the economy by cutting back on restrictions and regulations for natural resources industries. He'd also much much faster in reining in crime and foreign influence than the sluggish/indifferent/unwilling Liberals, and would work to balance the budget.

Interesting thoughts given you don't know, I don't know and neither does anyone else know what the actual discussions are other than those engaged in them.  

I agree that Poilievre would get a deal.  Not a good one at all for the country but he would get a deal nonetheless.  Again, I have no admiration for his acumen.  

[LinkSoul60]

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

You missed the grandiose announcement of Build Canada Homes?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-new-housing-agency-1.7632981

Several studies have pointed out the government barriers to homebuilding, including a myriad of taxes and fees, which started to rapidly escalate in 2015 now account for a third of the cost of new homes. In Vancouver it's even more than that.

https://cdhowe.org/publication/buyers-beware-cost-barriers-building-housing-canadian-cities/

I'm aware of the Build Canada Homes program but it's not a $13B agency, it's providing that initial amount in financing for builders.  It's financing, not a give away.

I don't disagree on the taxes and fee's to get home built.  That's a provincial and municipal issue to tackle though, not the federal governments.

[LinkSoul60]

31 minutes ago, PIK said:

Our PMs family lives in New York. But as the investors keep telling carney to get rid of the regs and red tape. Which IMO not going to happen.

If you agree (?) it took years and not months to get us where we are, I trust you'd agree it takes longer than 6 months to 'get shovels in the ground'.

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Exactly right!

They like the conservative one almost identically as much as they liked the liberal one. They were within about 1% or so of the popular vote

And now they're finding out the liberal one isn't what they thought it was   And buyers remorse is already kicking in

But PoilievreS numbers seem stable. So he can only do better, well carney can only do worse

Don't worry. Payback is coming    And the longer it takes to get here the deeper and longer it's going to be

[Army Guy]

21 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

From negotiating with the man child to China to Muslims to organized crime... Okay.

The conservatives would instantly agree to what.... giving Trump what he wants?  

So what would Poilievre do, or what would be your suggestion?

PP is not in charge is he, stop deflecting Carney is the man thats under the microscope here...

[Army Guy]

20 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I don't know what's going on, you don't know what's going on, and nobody else knows what's going on. Take off your Poilievre wig for a minute and think about it... He understands a little bit of economics and trade and finance and isn't going to make a 'deal' on something that doesn't make sense. 

It's the big league. The guy had his chance so it's time to move on.

Nobody knows what is going on, the US is not happy with anything we have to offer right now...You and i don't know anything about these deals, and certainly if they are going to make sense or not....Carney needs to something solid on the fentanyl front and border, instead of renting a few helicopters....

There is not going to be a deal until the US gets what it wants, we can not afford to keep floating these industries forever before they collapse...That the issue US has got all the time, Canada needs to get a deal done sooner and that might be sacrificing Canadas golden goose, dairy.

Conservatives will decide what happens within the party, besides what difference does it make to you or liberals i would have thought you would be wanting him to stay..

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Carney needs to something solid on the fentanyl front and border, instead of renting a few helicopters....

You mean he needs to cave for no good reason. Fùck that.

Give a bully an inch and they'll take a foot. Especially when they know they can get it over next to nothing.

[LinkSoul60]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Nobody knows what is going on, the US is not happy with anything we have to offer right now...You and i don't know anything about these deals, and certainly if they are going to make sense or not....Carney needs to something solid on the fentanyl front and border, instead of renting a few helicopters....

There is not going to be a deal until the US gets what it wants, we can not afford to keep floating these industries forever before they collapse...That the issue US has got all the time, Canada needs to get a deal done sooner and that might be sacrificing Canadas golden goose, dairy.

Conservatives will decide what happens within the party, besides what difference does it make to you or liberals i would have thought you would be wanting him to stay..

It doesn't matter right now if the US isn't happy with a no deal.  You can't make deal if you don't get what you want out of it.  It will matter before too long but let the US see stagnation and a moderate recession to get the people up his áss to see if his tune changes. Wannabe dictators need friends too. The fentanyl stuff is BS.

No, like most I just find his soundbites angry and annoying. You guys need a friendlier face with a better attitude....

 

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, I am Groot said:

You missed the grandiose announcement of Build Canada Homes?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-new-housing-agency-1.7632981

Several studies have pointed out the government barriers to homebuilding, including a myriad of taxes and fees, which started to rapidly escalate in 2015 now account for a third of the cost of new homes. In Vancouver it's even more than that.

 

Vancouver and greater vancouver is close to 60 percent now if you factor in the cost to the developer to comply. 

Around canada many cities and municipalities have become drunk on the fees and revenues from homebuilding. 

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It doesn't matter right now if the US isn't happy with a no deal.  You can't make deal if you don't get what you want out of it.  It will matter before too long but let the US see stagnation and a moderate recession to get the people up his áss to see if his tune changes. Wannabe dictators need friends too. The fentanyl stuff is BS.

No, like most I just find his soundbites angry and annoying. You guys need a friendlier face with a better attitude....

 

The us is fine with no deal. 

In  fact, there's a very real possibility and lots of concern that trump will scrap the whole fta and do tariffs on an individual category basis. 

You're walking blindly towards Oblivion

[Army Guy]

On 9/20/2025 at 12:39 AM, LinkSoul60 said:

It doesn't matter right now if the US isn't happy with a no deal.  You can't make deal if you don't get what you want out of it.  It will matter before too long but let the US see stagnation and a moderate recession to get the people up his áss to see if his tune changes. Wannabe dictators need friends too. The fentanyl stuff is BS.

No, like most I just find his soundbites angry and annoying. You guys need a friendlier face with a better attitude....

 

You seem to think that all of this is going to do damage to the US economy and that we have the timer and funding to wait them out...Surprise we don't have those chips, everything about this deal is slanted towards the US.. We will see these effects well before anything in the US feels it... Are you saying our border is secure, even our border agency has said it is very porous, in fact only 1 % of all incoming containers are searched , and nothing on trains, and very rarely do trucks get searched.. which would point to the fentanyl thing is real...And so far Carney has done little to calm the us that we are taking action...Now contrast that with the 5% increase in defense funds and you get how small our new contributions are towards OUR border security...

Stop watching them sound bites, they are not for you anyways, they are for the conservative audience...PS they are meant to make you angry....he is pointing out what YOUR liberals are not doing...Why do we need some one friendlier ? your not voting for him anyways....

[LinkSoul60]

16 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

You seem to think that all of this is going to do damage to the US economy and that we have the timer and funding to wait them out...Surprise we don't have those chips, everything about this deal is slanted towards the US.. We will see these effects well before anything in the US feels it... Are you saying our border is secure, even our border agency has said it is very porous, in fact only 1 % of all incoming containers are searched , and nothing on trains, and very rarely do trucks get searched.. which would point to the fentanyl thing is real...And so far Carney has done little to calm the us that we are taking action...Now contrast that with the 5% increase in defense funds and you get how small our new contributions are towards OUR border security...

Stop watching them sound bites, they are not for you anyways, they are for the conservative audience...PS they are meant to make you angry....he is pointing out what YOUR liberals are not doing...Why do we need some one friendlier ? your not voting for him anyways....

I know this has affected the US economy and will likely continue to do so.  No kidding we don't 'have the cards', but that doesn't mean we bow to Trump's every wish as you seem to be advocating.  Again, the fentanyl stuff is BS and that facts say that.  How much you want to think is coming into the country is totally subjective and obviously it's not making its way south looking at the seizures, or lack of (?) given it's US customs that checks people going south, not Canada.  But generally no, I'm not at all against safe borders...why would I be.

The soundbites are hard to ignore.  He's that akin to that yappy little chihuahua that keeps coming back every couple days to bite at your ankles...

 

[Army Guy]

22 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I know this has affected the US economy and will likely continue to do so.  No kidding we don't 'have the cards', but that doesn't mean we bow to Trump's every wish as you seem to be advocating.  Again, the fentanyl stuff is BS and that facts say that.  How much you want to think is coming into the country is totally subjective and obviously it's not making its way south looking at the seizures, or lack of (?) given it's US customs that checks people going south, not Canada.  But generally no, I'm not at all against safe borders...why would I be.

The soundbites are hard to ignore.  He's that akin to that yappy little chihuahua that keeps coming back every couple days to bite at your ankles...

 

It is not going to damage the US economy to any extent that will change their minds....they have not attacked Canada, they attacked the entire globe....including China, Canada is but that needle in the hay stack, Time is on their side not ours...we can not afford to subsidize all those effected industry's, when all they have to do is next week find new industries to slam...You can't tell me Carney does not know what he wants, and we know that trump will wait until he gets it....or ramp up tariffs in other areas to speed things up...you can pretend that we have some edge , Carneys cards are sh!t lets move on and save bils 

There are lots of evidence and facts out there that suggests Fentanyl is a thing here in Canada, and we really have not done all that much to curb it, except rent a few helos.... this issue may not be something liberals look at , but like most other governmental departments Border services is as broken as all the rest of them...It is Canadian law enforcement that is responsible for making sure any drugs don't  get across the US border....No your just against putting any investment into making Canada safer...your head is in the sand, like most liberals...

Border services have given those numbers our to the public, they are not subjective....they are facts as they see them.

As for PP, he's the conservatives problem, your fine for now, until we get into the end year, when budgets are due, we find out what all this is going to cost, and we compare to what has ben done to date...that is going to be the start of the end...

 

[LinkSoul60]

19 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

It is not going to damage the US economy to any extent that will change their minds....they have not attacked Canada, they attacked the entire globe....including China, Canada is but that needle in the hay stack, Time is on their side not ours...we can not afford to subsidize all those effected industry's, when all they have to do is next week find new industries to slam...You can't tell me Carney does not know what he wants, and we know that trump will wait until he gets it....or ramp up tariffs in other areas to speed things up...you can pretend that we have some edge , Carneys cards are sh!t lets move on and save bils 

There are lots of evidence and facts out there that suggests Fentanyl is a thing here in Canada, and we really have not done all that much to curb it, except rent a few helos.... this issue may not be something liberals look at , but like most other governmental departments Border services is as broken as all the rest of them...It is Canadian law enforcement that is responsible for making sure any drugs don't  get across the US border....No your just against putting any investment into making Canada safer...your head is in the sand, like most liberals...

Border services have given those numbers our to the public, they are not subjective....they are facts as they see them.

As for PP, he's the conservatives problem, your fine for now, until we get into the end year, when budgets are due, we find out what all this is going to cost, and we compare to what has ben done to date...that is going to be the start of the end...

 

Canada is a needle in the haystack?  We're their second largest trading partner at $909B in 2024.  Mexico was $935B and China $657B.  That's a pretty big needle in a small haystack, don't you think.  We can afford to do what we need to do to have the right agreement for Canada.  It's no more complicated than that and regardless of what the Orange wonder wants.  Carney knows what he's doing and we have the best person available for our country to find it's way.  

Fentanyl is a 'thing' everywhere...I'm not suggesting it isn't here in Canada either.  What I am saying though is the guise Trump used that under was only to claim a national emergency which allowed him by law to impose tariffs.  Otherwise the dumb f*ck would have had to go through congress where his tariff 'policy' would have been shot down.  It still might when it gets to the SCOTUS, but political bias reigns there so who knows.  And I'm not against making Canada safer....of course I am.  Without looking at any data I'd suggest we probably have a bigger problem with guns, cocaine, heroin, etc coming in from the US.

Yep, Poilievre is a problem...  No personality, not likeable and limited acumen.  Hard to find a winning formula when you carry those traits.

 

[herbie]

 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

..It is Canadian law enforcement that is responsible for making sure any drugs don't  get across the US border...

By that token US law enforcement is responsible for making sure guns aren't smuggled across Canada's border.

And how's that working out? Not well apparently - gun violence by people using American guns is rising in Canada.

Is there a commensurate increase in the addiction and death in the US from Canadian fentanyl? How about gun-smuggling tariffs from our side akin to the fentanyl tariffs American have imposed against us?

Why are so many right wingers in Canada such suck holes when it comes to us caving to Trump's concerns about his border security and utterly silent on the concerns we should be raising in retaliation?

 

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Canada is a needle in the haystack?  We're their second largest trading partner at $909B in 2024.  Mexico was $935B and China $657B.  That's a pretty big needle in a small haystack, don't you think.  We can afford to do what we need to do to have the right agreement for Canada.  It's no more complicated than that and regardless of what the Orange wonder wants.  Carney knows what he's doing and we have the best person available for our country to find it's way.  

Fentanyl is a 'thing' everywhere...I'm not suggesting it isn't here in Canada either.  What I am saying though is the guise Trump used that under was only to claim a national emergency which allowed him by law to impose tariffs.  Otherwise the dumb f*ck would have had to go through congress where his tariff 'policy' would have been shot down.  It still might when it gets to the SCOTUS, but political bias reigns there so who knows.  And I'm not against making Canada safer....of course I am.  Without looking at any data I'd suggest we probably have a bigger problem with guns, cocaine, heroin, etc coming in from the US.

Yep, Poilievre is a problem...  No personality, not likeable and limited acumen.  Hard to find a winning formula when you carry those traits.

 

And yet the US has slapped all of them in the face, and has treated Canada like sh!t , do you think the US is woried about what we can do to them, you are thinking like we are playing with the big boys, when we are not even in the same pool.....the US has 100 times the economy we have and can afford to not deal with Canada for a long time.... You should ask all those industries that are screaming for relief right now, which costs us bils...and accomplishes nothing more than keeps there lights on...we will see in the near future...

Typical liberal response, it is every where so lets no address it...Trump asked us to address it, with some vigor and we barely got off the couch...54,000 have died since 2016 and thats just opioid, 20 people die every day, 15 hospitalizations a day, and 99 EMS calls each day...just on opioids....we have gone to war for less...so it should not be a problem we just sweep under the table like you have seemed to do....with new border measures getting done in the US , cartels have decided it is easier to smuggle drugs across the northern border and have invested huge amounts of money and capitol to make those drugs in Canada and ship them into the US...No your against doing anything to make Canada safer or so it seems... and even if it was just to placate Trump we could have invested that and m so much more into our border, lets not kid ourself it really could use more investment. That comes from Border services but what do they know... 

He is only a problem if he lives in your head, which it sounds like he does.........pp is just the opposition leader and has no real power not sure what your worried about....in fact you should be encouraging him to stay and doing what he is doing, if he is that unelectable....

 

[Army Guy]

29 minutes ago, eyeball said:

By that token US law enforcement is responsible for making sure guns aren't smuggled across Canada's border.

And how's that working out? Not well apparently - gun violence by people using American guns is rising in Canada.

Is there a commensurate increase in the addiction and death in the US from Canadian fentanyl? How about gun-smuggling tariffs from our side akin to the fentanyl tariffs American have imposed against us?

Why are so many right wingers in Canada such suck holes when it comes to us caving to Trump's concerns about his border security and utterly silent on the concerns we should be raising in retaliation?

 

That would not be a concern if the left got on board and did something about it...lets not forget this is the liberals 4 term in office and they have done nothing to address any of these issue...

Glad you see what the problem is, liberal response is to go after legal and law abiding gun owners...because that's is the problem...

What trump did was to bring to huge spot light to all our issues and all the left got out of all of that was "fu*king trump" and yet we has a nation did not have any leadership or brains to sort that out ourselves...and we have yet to see anything from the new liberal government....But hey we are going ahead to confiscate legal gun owners guns because some how that is going to fix the problem....Got nothing to do with right wingers....they have no power...THEY are not in charge....not sure why you can't see that...

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

And yet the US has slapped all of them in the face, and has treated Canada like sh!t , do you think the US is woried about what we can do to them, you are thinking like we are playing with the big boys, when we are not even in the same pool.....the US has 100 times the economy we have and can afford to not deal with Canada for a long time.... You should ask all those industries that are screaming for relief right now, which costs us bils...and accomplishes nothing more than keeps there lights on...we will see in the near future...

Typical liberal response, it is every where so lets no address it...Trump asked us to address it, with some vigor and we barely got off the couch...54,000 have died since 2016 and thats just opioid, 20 people die every day, 15 hospitalizations a day, and 99 EMS calls each day...just on opioids....we have gone to war for less...so it should not be a problem we just sweep under the table like you have seemed to do....with new border measures getting done in the US , cartels have decided it is easier to smuggle drugs across the northern border and have invested huge amounts of money and capitol to make those drugs in Canada and ship them into the US...No your against doing anything to make Canada safer or so it seems... and even if it was just to placate Trump we could have invested that and m so much more into our border, lets not kid ourself it really could use more investment. That comes from Border services but what do they know... 

He is only a problem if he lives in your head, which it sounds like he does.........pp is just the opposition leader and has no real power not sure what your worried about....in fact you should be encouraging him to stay and doing what he is doing, if he is that unelectable....

 

You follow the exact schtick your party leader espouses....   So what is your idea and solution to the US being hell bent of weakening our economy?

I told you twice now fentanyl is a problem everywhere and here in Canada as well.  I really don't care about your stats because the fact is Trump only brought up fentanyl as a national security emergency so he could impose tariffs.  If you believe we should throw another $1.3B at it then fine, but I'm sure you'll b*tch about that spending if they did it.

Nahhhh....  I find Poilievre both annoying and amusing at the same time but he certainly doesn't live in my head.  He's more of an afterthought than anything....

[eyeball]

16 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

That would not be a concern if the left got on board and did something about it...

Get a grip. The left is not responsible for the export of American weapons across our border.

[PIK]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You follow the exact schtick your party leader espouses....   So what is your idea and solution to the US being hell bent of weakening our economy?

I told you twice now fentanyl is a problem everywhere and here in Canada as well.  I really don't care about your stats because the fact is Trump only brought up fentanyl as a national security emergency so he could impose tariffs.  If you believe we should throw another $1.3B at it then fine, but I'm sure you'll b*tch about that spending if they did it.

Nahhhh....  I find Poilievre both annoying and amusing at the same time but he certainly doesn't live in my head.  He's more of an afterthought than anything....

Cons would be a lot tougher on crime. Tough sentences on drug dealers. Just take a look at the crime #'s. Especially the catch and release #'s.