LinkSoul60 Posted September 18, 2025 Report Posted September 18, 2025 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: We have more than 1.5 million new people coming in to Canada, each year....please explain to me if 49,000 homes do magically appear every year...how is this going to put a dent in our housing crises... when they refuse to drastically lower bringing in such high numbers....My math is bad , but it looks like liberal math is worse... And you projects list, Carney has already said it would normally take 4 years to get all the approvals completed for these projects, he has cut it down to 2....That list is still 2 years out before anything happens, and even then there is NO guarantee these projects will go ahead and get built... With all due respect, your math is real bad. Canada averages ~200K housing starts a year. Without looking up immigration numbers I'll take your word for it which getting back to starts, we need to essentially double that in the next 10 years to meet demand and affordability. Carney's not a fool and knows the masses are fed up with our immigration levels. I'd be willing to bet the immigration system and new entrants will be tweaked to meet today's reality. So the project foundations announced mean nothing? As the saying goes....have to start somewhere, and I think this is a good start. Why don't you? 1 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted September 18, 2025 Report Posted September 18, 2025 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: What i have said after 6 months all we have is lots of words and promises...I mean he was the guy most qualified for the job, his words not mine, He could handle trump, he was going to move at speed....people are waiting for something anything to happen...what we have seen so far is a couple of offices open up people assigned to positions .... OH i will be a professional in due time...give me a break....have you voted anything other than liberal....i doubt you have, proving my point, mickey mouse could be liberal leader and your vote for the mouse is understood...Harper is still living in liberals heads and will be forever....at least until PP becomes PM.......Justin's liberals used harper as a standing excuse for everything...you guys a funny sometimes...harper forgotten, really? As best he can, he's doing fine with Trump. If you read Hoekstra's comments it's clear Carney doesn't believe whatever the US proposal of trade was is good for Canada, which is why it's not done. If you think in any way that Canada has more poker chips on the table than the US, you're dreaming. You got the 'couple offices and a couple people' from Poilievre, right? It's doesn't matter to me who you think I have or haven't voted for over the years, but I'll refrain from commenting too much on your last paragraph of leaders. Canadian's don't like the one the conservatives have so when they find a viable one we can revisit. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted September 18, 2025 Report Posted September 18, 2025 4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: With all due respect, your math is real bad. Canada averages ~200K housing starts a year. Without looking up immigration numbers I'll take your word for it which getting back to starts, we need to essentially double that in the next 10 years to meet demand and affordability. Carney's not a fool and knows the masses are fed up with our immigration levels. I'd be willing to bet the immigration system and new entrants will be tweaked to meet today's reality. So the project foundations announced mean nothing? As the saying goes....have to start somewhere, and I think this is a good start. Why don't you? It is not my math.......If 200 K of new homes is not enough to satisfy demand now , at current levels of bringing in new people....which all combine is more than 1.5 million people a year...Carney has already cut numbers done to which he thinks is reasonable...and are still at well over 1.5 million a year....how does adding 50,000 new homes solve our current shortage....According to every one of those sources i listed there is a shortage of well over 200 K of new home each and every year....every year we don't meet those numbers our housing deficit grows larger.... Quote Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC) says up to 4.8 million new homes will need to be built over the next decade to restore affordability levels last seen in 2019, based on projected demand. The national housing agency released its latest supply gaps estimate report today, which says between 430,000 and 480,000 new housing units are needed per year across the ownership and rental markets by 2035. https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.7565525 Quote he parliamentary budget officer estimates Canada needs to build 3.2 million new homes in the next decade to close the housing gap, but isn't currently on track to do that. The latest PBO report estimates the number of new home builds will be higher over the next three years before gradually returning to historical averages. It projects an average of 227,000 new homes will be completed each year for the next decade, but says an additional 65,000 per year will need to be built to close the housing gap. https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.7617849?feature=related-link Quote the total for all areas in Canada in 2024 was 245,120, also up 2% compared to 2023. This increase is primarily explained by historically high rental construction levels and overall increased starts in Alberta, Québec, and the Atlantic provinces. https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/media-newsroom/news-releases/2025/housing-starts-up-2-per-cent-2024-from-2023 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
LinkSoul60 Posted September 18, 2025 Report Posted September 18, 2025 8 minutes ago, Army Guy said: how does adding 50,000 new homes solve our current shortage. What exactly are you talking about? 50k homes where....we average 200k and need to essentially double that. Yeah, we need more housing but what exactly are you trying to say? My bad if not following.... Quote
Army Guy Posted September 18, 2025 Report Posted September 18, 2025 12 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: As best he can, he's doing fine with Trump. If you read Hoekstra's comments it's clear Carney doesn't believe whatever the US proposal of trade was is good for Canada, which is why it's not done. If you think in any way that Canada has more poker chips on the table than the US, you're dreaming. You got the 'couple offices and a couple people' from Poilievre, right? It's doesn't matter to me who you think I have or haven't voted for over the years, but I'll refrain from commenting too much on your last paragraph of leaders. Canadian's don't like the one the conservatives have so when they find a viable one we can revisit. How do you know he is doing fine ? nothing has been leaked in the media, or is that your opinion? Canada has very little chips on the table, it has even less when you consider things that Canada wants to protect, like dairy etc....The US is not interested in what carney has to offer....and it is costing Canada bils... You don't have to say anything, i get it your some what embarrassed to admit your a Justin supporter....I've voted my entire life conservative with one exception i refrained from voting when o Toole was running because i did not agree with his platform...I Canadian don't have to like PP, 41 % of Canadian did vote for them, Carneys numbers are not all that much more..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted September 18, 2025 Report Posted September 18, 2025 16 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: What exactly are you talking about? 50k homes where....we average 200k and need to essentially double that. Yeah, we need more housing but what exactly are you trying to say? My bad if not following.... From your source you provided.... I misread it as well, it is not 50,000 a year, but in total over the life of the project....the math just got worse... https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2025/09/14/prime-minister-carney-launches-build-canada-homes As Build Canada Homes begins to develop public land sites under Canada Lands Company’s portfolio, it will prioritize innovative, factory-built housing. To begin, Build Canada Homes will prioritize six sites to build 4,000 factory-built homes on federal land – with additional capacity of up to 45,000 units across the portfolio. In these projects, it will deploy a “direct-build” approach, overseeing and leading construction projects focused on affordable mixed-income communities. This first tranche of sites will be in Dartmouth, Longueuil, Ottawa, Toronto, Winnipeg, and Edmonton. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
LinkSoul60 Posted September 18, 2025 Report Posted September 18, 2025 4 minutes ago, Army Guy said: How do you know he is doing fine ? nothing has been leaked in the media, or is that your opinion? Canada has very little chips on the table, it has even less when you consider things that Canada wants to protect, like dairy etc....The US is not interested in what carney has to offer....and it is costing Canada bils... You don't have to say anything, i get it your some what embarrassed to admit your a Justin supporter....I've voted my entire life conservative with one exception i refrained from voting when o Toole was running because i did not agree with his platform...I Canadian don't have to like PP, 41 % of Canadian did vote for them, Carneys numbers are not all that much more..... The US could care less what Carney has to offer. They only care about what they want. What do you suggest, give them everything they want? No, I took down my Trudeau posters last week and have moved on. Okay, so the cons got 41% of the vote. So what, other than not giving the liberals a majority. Your boy had a 25% lead in the polls and still lost. Find a new leader with a new schtick... 1 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted September 18, 2025 Report Posted September 18, 2025 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: From your source you provided.... I misread it as well, it is not 50,000 a year, but in total over the life of the project....the math just got worse... https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2025/09/14/prime-minister-carney-launches-build-canada-homes As Build Canada Homes begins to develop public land sites under Canada Lands Company’s portfolio, it will prioritize innovative, factory-built housing. To begin, Build Canada Homes will prioritize six sites to build 4,000 factory-built homes on federal land – with additional capacity of up to 45,000 units across the portfolio. In these projects, it will deploy a “direct-build” approach, overseeing and leading construction projects focused on affordable mixed-income communities. This first tranche of sites will be in Dartmouth, Longueuil, Ottawa, Toronto, Winnipeg, and Edmonton. Sorry but I'm still not following.... Housing is an issue and they're trying to address with Build Canada Homes on federal land. It's not the be all to end all but it add's homes, which is what we need. Where's the problem? 1 Quote
eyeball Posted September 18, 2025 Report Posted September 18, 2025 3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: It's not the be all to end all but it add's homes, 4000 really is just a drop in the bucket though. They need to find and make space for way more homes than they plan on building themselves. Making existing serviced residential areas denser, gently as I suggested, almost entirely through rezoning offers by far the quickest most widespread path to both more housing and what's probably most important in the long term, a genuine market based shot at home ownership. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
I am Groot Posted September 19, 2025 Report Posted September 19, 2025 7 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: Carney knows how to read the room and clearly immigration is an issue for most Canadian's which he's acknowledge and said that 'clearly we need a more focused approach'. He's no fool... Chop immigration and foreign workers, and you don't need a multi-billion-dollar agency. The private sector has no problem building homes if they're not wrapped in regulations and taxed to death. They'll soon take care of the shortage if we stop importing hundreds of thousands of people every year. Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
I am Groot Posted September 19, 2025 Report Posted September 19, 2025 4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: With all due respect, your math is real bad. Canada averages ~200K housing starts a year. Without looking up immigration numbers I'll take your word for it which getting back to starts, we need to essentially double that in the next 10 years to meet demand and affordability. We're not going to double housing starts. So we should slash immigration and foreign workers. And ESPECIALLY all those phony asylum seekers. Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
I am Groot Posted September 19, 2025 Report Posted September 19, 2025 4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: As best he can, he's doing fine with Trump. If you read Hoekstra's comments it's clear Carney doesn't believe whatever the US proposal of trade was is good for Canada, which is why it's not done. OR he doesn't believe it's good for the Liberal Party. Like maybe the Americans are insisting we do something about China's influence in our politics, and maybe they're demanding we slash the number of newcomers who are unscreened, especially Muslims. And maybe they're demanding we crack down on money laundering by organized crime, and get control of the ports that organized crime controls. If the Conservatives were in power, they'd instantly agree since all that matches their agenda. But there's no way Liberals will. Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
Army Guy Posted September 19, 2025 Report Posted September 19, 2025 (edited) 5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: Sorry but I'm still not following.... Housing is an issue and they're trying to address with Build Canada Homes on federal land. It's not the be all to end all but it add's homes, which is what we need. Where's the problem? Like anything the liberals do, half measures, and a dollar short...good thing we only invested 13 bil...maybe next year....and we'll see how much new people are allowed in then...I'm betting on more than a million in total...... Edited September 19, 2025 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted September 19, 2025 Report Posted September 19, 2025 4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: The US could care less what Carney has to offer. They only care about what they want. What do you suggest, give them everything they want? No, I took down my Trudeau posters last week and have moved on. Okay, so the cons got 41% of the vote. So what, other than not giving the liberals a majority. Your boy had a 25% lead in the polls and still lost. Find a new leader with a new schtick... That would depend on how much is it going to cost in the midterm...bils have been lost to date.. the question is what are we protecting, which industry do we sacrifice in order to keep dairy and others...It would seem that steel and Aluminum are going to be the sacrificial lambs...to protect dairy farmers in Ont and Quebec.. Well conservative have not moved on....not yet not never...Ya he did and the NDP are almost non existent because they traded their votes for liberal ones... The question is will they do that again ? I guess we will wait and see how Canadians feel after the budget...Why would we do that, liberal voters are not going to vote Conservative neither is NDP...how many centrist votes are there....He has got one more kick at the cat, then if no gains their will be a new leadership race... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
LinkSoul60 Posted September 19, 2025 Report Posted September 19, 2025 23 minutes ago, eyeball said: 4000 really is just a drop in the bucket though. They need to find and make space for way more homes than they plan on building themselves. Making existing serviced residential areas denser, gently as I suggested, almost entirely through rezoning offers by far the quickest most widespread path to both more housing and what's probably most important in the long term, a genuine market based shot at home ownership. Absolutely a drop in the bucket but it's something different on federal land as a start. Agree that slowly densifying existing areas that are serviced is the most logical and cost effective route. We've been seeing that for a lot of years now with multi-family starts well outpacing single family. Fair to say affordabilty has a lot to do with that but the developers are looking at that reality and building what the group of people they're targeting can afford. I also like the idea that I saw on the outskirts of Calgary 20 (?) years ago. They had the luxury of land so spread out and built densified 'communities'. The communities still needed to be serviced but there was a large tax base to help support it. Saw/seeing the same thing in Tsawwassen with 'Southlands' a densified community. Of course you need land for that though... I honestly don't know what affordable is though other than 'affordable it what you can afford'. I'm real curious to see what that affordable end price is going to be. 1 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted September 19, 2025 Report Posted September 19, 2025 1 hour ago, I am Groot said: We're not going to double housing starts. So we should slash immigration and foreign workers. And ESPECIALLY all those phony asylum seekers. The time frame is long but won't disagree that it's aspirational. I agree that we need to lessen immigration numbers. Not convinced on TFW's though. I don't know much about the phony asylum seekers. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted September 19, 2025 Report Posted September 19, 2025 1 hour ago, I am Groot said: OR he doesn't believe it's good for the Liberal Party. Like maybe the Americans are insisting we do something about China's influence in our politics, and maybe they're demanding we slash the number of newcomers who are unscreened, especially Muslims. And maybe they're demanding we crack down on money laundering by organized crime, and get control of the ports that organized crime controls. If the Conservatives were in power, they'd instantly agree since all that matches their agenda. But there's no way Liberals will. From negotiating with the man child to China to Muslims to organized crime... Okay. The conservatives would instantly agree to what.... giving Trump what he wants? 46 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Like anything the liberals do, half measures, and a dollar short...good thing we only invested 13 bil...maybe next year....and we'll see how much new people are allowed in then...I'm betting on more than a million in total...... So what would Poilievre do, or what would be your suggestion? 1 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted September 19, 2025 Report Posted September 19, 2025 2 hours ago, I am Groot said: Chop immigration and foreign workers, and you don't need a multi-billion-dollar agency. The private sector has no problem building homes if they're not wrapped in regulations and taxed to death. They'll soon take care of the shortage if we stop importing hundreds of thousands of people every year. I agree on immigration. What multi-billion dollar agency? Do you mean providing long-term 'financing'? Agree, less bureaucracy in that space. Not sure what you mean by regulations? Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted September 19, 2025 Report Posted September 19, 2025 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: That would depend on how much is it going to cost in the midterm...bils have been lost to date.. the question is what are we protecting, which industry do we sacrifice in order to keep dairy and others...It would seem that steel and Aluminum are going to be the sacrificial lambs...to protect dairy farmers in Ont and Quebec.. Well conservative have not moved on....not yet not never...Ya he did and the NDP are almost non existent because they traded their votes for liberal ones... The question is will they do that again ? I guess we will wait and see how Canadians feel after the budget...Why would we do that, liberal voters are not going to vote Conservative neither is NDP...how many centrist votes are there....He has got one more kick at the cat, then if no gains their will be a new leadership race... I don't know what's going on, you don't know what's going on, and nobody else knows what's going on. Take off your Poilievre wig for a minute and think about it... He understands a little bit of economics and trade and finance and isn't going to make a 'deal' on something that doesn't make sense. It's the big league. The guy had his chance so it's time to move on. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted September 19, 2025 Report Posted September 19, 2025 7 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: Sorry but I'm still not following.... Housing is an issue and they're trying to address with Build Canada Homes on federal land. It's not the be all to end all but it add's homes, which is what we need. Where's the problem? It will deplete our resources and I'm sorry but you're wrong it will subtract homes. The number we care about is the number of homes versus the population size. 400 they're talking about 4,000 homes over a. Of time when we will likely have over a million new people arrive Which means our homes to people ratio is still going to go down. We will actually have fewer homes per person at the end not more. What we needed to do was add about 250,000 homes a year MORE than we do now. Not 4,000 overall I know. Math is hard for the left 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Barquentine Posted September 19, 2025 Report Posted September 19, 2025 17 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: Canadian's don't like the one the conservatives have so when they find a viable one we can revisit Exactly right! Quote
Barquentine Posted September 19, 2025 Report Posted September 19, 2025 12 hours ago, I am Groot said: maybe the Americans are insisting we do something about China's influence in our politics, and maybe they're demanding we slash the number of newcomers who are unscreened, especially Muslims. And maybe they're demanding we crack down on money laundering by organized crime, and get control of the ports that organized crime controls. If the Conservatives were in power, they'd instantly agree since all that matches their agenda. And maybe thèy just want take everything they can get and charge big tariffs at the same time. ``If the Conservatives were in power, they'd instantly agree since all that matches their agenda.`` You said it. PeePee would cave to Trump at the first chance! Quote
PIK Posted September 19, 2025 Report Posted September 19, 2025 I understand 36% of our pop came in ,in the last 10 yrs. People need to read about the catch and release ,the stories are sickening. Our country no longer exists. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted September 19, 2025 Report Posted September 19, 2025 13 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: From negotiating with the man child to China to Muslims to organized crime... Okay. The conservatives would instantly agree to what.... giving Trump what he wants? So what would Poilievre do, or what would be your suggestion? 1st clean out the corruption. It's out of control now. Spending needs to be curbed and shovels in the ground now. But Imagine if Harpers wife and family lived in another country ,the MSM would have had a field day. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
LinkSoul60 Posted September 19, 2025 Report Posted September 19, 2025 8 minutes ago, PIK said: 1st clean out the corruption. It's out of control now. Spending needs to be curbed and shovels in the ground now. But Imagine if Harpers wife and family lived in another country ,the MSM would have had a field day. Corruption and shovels in the ground. Soundbite Poilievre has a way with words.... Agree on the spending and we'll find out more there soon enough. The fact of the matter is though is that you need policy and committed proponents/investors in projects, and then actual plans and timelines before 'shovels go in the ground'. If we were building playgrounds I'd agree. Infrastructure projects don't start happening overnight. You lost me on Harpers wife and MSM.... Quote
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