Carney Is Failing

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

That was a bad decision, but it is just one sell out out of endless sell outs by Canada.  I don't have the facts on how much the Conservative Party under Harper was selling out to China, other than that one decision which he seems to admit was a mistake.  

The federal government was interested in finding a company that would develop the oil sands.  That is the reason for it, but Harper seems to have regretted it after.

"Stephen Harper made it clear he wasn’t happy with the decision he made."

Why did Harper invite the Chinese government to buy Canada’s tar sands? - resilience

Remember Trudeau said he admired China's basic dictatorship!

There are countless examples of the shocking involvement of the Liberals with China.

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"Just the Facts: Liberal party’s connections to China’s communist regime"

Health Minister Patty Hadju recently said questioning China’s coronavirus propaganda is akin to promoting conspiracy theories.

Prior to the last federal election, former Liberal MP and ambassador to China John McCallum advised Chinese officials not to hurt the Liberals’ chance of reelection. McCallum said the Conservatives would be harsher in holding China to account. 

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau even once said he admired China’s basic dictatorship.

How much influence does the Communist Party of China have in Canada? 

Canada’s security officials have warned of growing Chinese influence for decades, but these warnings have been largely ignored by both current and former Liberal politicians.

Here are some of the connections prominent Liberals have had with the communist regime:

1997 – The RCMP and CSIS published a joint report called Project Sidewinder, which examined the relationships between powerful players in China and Canada. Project Sidewinder recommended further investigations into Chinese influence in Canada, but the report was dismissed by the PMO under Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chrétien.

1998 – Project Sidewinder was reviewed and ultimately dismissed again by the Security Intelligence Review Committee, which at the time was led by MP Bob Rae. Rae would go on to become an interim Liberal leader.

John Rae, brother of former Liberal leader Bob Rae and former Liberal campaign co–chair, is a senior manager of Power Corp. Power Corp has significant investments in China, including assets bought from the China International Trust Investment Corporation (CITIC), an investment firm owned by the Chinese government.

André Desmarais, the deputy chair, president, and co–CEO of Power Corp was once appointed as a director of CITIC. Desmarais is the son–in–law of Jean Chrétien.

Chrétien himself sat on the board of a Power Corp subsidiary before his election as Liberal leader.

Project Sidewinder reported that the individuals the Chinese government hired to found CITIC had been accused of participating in organized crime in China and Hong Kong.

Project Sidewinder also reported the CITIC illegally donated money to the U.S. Democratic Party and attempted to influence policy on behalf of China through policy in Canada, the United States and the United Kingdom.

1990s – Companies that Project Sidewinder identified as being influenced or controlled by China had heavily donated to the Liberal Party, including Merrill Lynch Canada and Husky Energy. During this time Husky Energy was owned by CITIC co–founder Li Ka–Shing.

Chrétien once worked for Gordon Capital Inc., a company identified in Project Sidewinder as being influenced by China. Shortly after Chrétien left Gordon Capital Inc., the firm was purchased by Richard Li, the son of Li Ka–Shing.

2003 – The Liberals were accused of pressuring the RCMP into dropping an investigation into the alleged corruption of embassy officials in Hong Kong. The Liberals refused to start a public inquiry demanded by Canadian Alliance MPs.

Former Liberal MP Geng Tan is reported to have worked for multiple organizations associated with the Chinese government. 

2003 – Before Tan was elected to parliament, he was the president of a Chinese student association which was founded by the Chinese embassy.

2013 – Liberal leader Justin Trudeau said he admired China’s dictatorship.

“There’s a level of admiration I actually have for China. Their basic dictatorship is actually allowing them to turn their economy around on a dime.”

2015 – Former BC Liberal MLA Richard Lee was arrested while in Shanghai, his phone was searched and he was denied access to consular services. Lee alleges that the Trudeau government ignored his repeated letters asking for help or assistance.

2015 – Former Ontario Liberal MPP and cabinet minister Michael Chan was accused of being influenced by the Chinese government. According to the Globe & Mail, Chan was once investigated by CSIS for his connections to the PRC. 

2017 – As an MP, Tan was photographed meeting with officials from the United Front Work Department, a Chinese intelligence service that spies on foreign officials.

2019 – Former Ontario Liberal MPP and cabinet minister Michael Chan spoke at a pro–Beijing rally in Toronto, claiming that pro–democracy Hong Kong demonstrators were working on behalf of foreign agents.

2017 – Foreign Affairs Minister François–Philippe Champagne calls China a “beacon of stability, predictability, a rule–based system, a very inclusive society,” during an interview with a Chinese state–owned news outlet.

2019 – Trudeau–appointed Senator Yuen Pau Woo gave a speech at a Chinese alumni event in Vancouver that people should “pray every night” that the Chinese regime does not collapse like the Soviet Union did.

2019 – Former Liberal MP and ambassador to China John McCallum defends Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou. Meng is fighting extradition charges to the US.  McCallum appeared to agree with the communist Chinese government’s narrative that Meng was arrested for political reasons.

2019 – Former Liberal MP and ambassador to China John McCallum advised Chinese officials not to hurt the Liberals’ chance of reelection. McCallum said the Conservatives would be harsher in holding China to account.

2020 – Trudeau–appointed Senator Yuen Pau Woo gave a speech at an event hosted by a group connected to the Chinese government.

2020 – Trudeau–appointed Chief Librarian and Archivist of Canada Leslie Weir accepted an all–expenses–paid trip to Beijing, sponsored by China, to attend a conference that celebrated “socialist culture.” 

2020 – Chretien–appointed ambassador to China Howard Balloch praises former Chinese dictator Mao Zedong, saying he did “great things” during his murderous rule. Mao’s Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution directly led to the deaths of at least 45 million people.

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Just the Facts: Liberal party’s connections to China’s communist regime | True North

I doubt the Conservatives were involved with China to anything near the Liberals involvement, if at all.  It seems to be in the Liberals DNA.

 

Canada, all parties toyed with the  Chinese but, bottom line...it was Harper and the conservatives that sold out our oil to the Chinese

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

What a f*cking  LOSER you are LOL

Oh dear.  Once again when your lies are disproven and the facts come out you freak out and you want it to be my fault 

I am not responsible for your stupidity kid, just learn to read more before you post nonsense

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Harpers government allowed the sale of the oil sands production.

Well we've already proven you lied about that. 

Harper was forced to follow liberal law and allow the owners of a company to sell that company to someone else. It had nothing to do with "the oil sands production". Nobody sold "The Oil Sands". 

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Harpers government was the one that enabled and allowed

No.  As i pointed out the liberal law passed by the liberals enabed it.  Harper applied the law. Then changed it because he thought the law was bullshit.  But - a prime minister still has to follow the law. 

LOLOL - well this blew up in your face nicely didn't it   Turns out the LIBERALS were responsible for the sale and all harper did was follow liberal law until he could  change it  

Hey, at least it's a liberal mistake that nobody can blame on justin for a change   Mind you it shows that liberals were screwing up long before justin came along  

And the liberals continue that today, christina freeland green lit the bc ferries being built in china. The libs sure love to see our business go to china don't they  

 

Try harder next time kiddo.  This is what happens when you try to twist the truth into a lie to support a false narrative. Harper never sold the oil sands to anyone. 

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Canada, all parties toyed with the  Chinese but, bottom line...it was Harper and the conservatives that sold out our oil to the Chinese

 

No, we've already seen that's a lie.  How desperate do you have to be to continue lying after you've been proven wrong ?

A liberal law allowed the people who owned a company to sell that company to a chinese company. Harper changed  the law as soon as he could to prevent that in the future. But harper didn't do anything except follow the liberal law 

[I am Groot]

An export terminal in Quebec is 'not in the national interest' the liberals say, even though the Quebec government was okay with it, and there were commercial interests interested in building one.

https://www.thecanadianpressnews.ca/environment/quebec-lng-proposal-not-of-national-interest-at-this-point-says-federal-minister/article_debf1c08-5185-59b4-919b-838bf26f5990.html

[blackbird]

10 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Canada, all parties toyed with the  Chinese but, bottom line...it was Harper and the conservatives that sold out our oil to the Chinese

No, that's not correct.  China is a relatively small investor in Canadian oil sands, and the U.S. imports about 90% of Canadian oil.  That means the U.S. is by far the largest importer of Canadian oil.    China imports a small fraction of what U.S. imports from Canada.  China is our second largest oil importer.

So how can you claim we sold out our oil to the Chinese??????  They develop a small fraction of our oil and pay royalties and taxes to do it.

Remember much of our resource industries are own or run by foreign companies.  Most are porbably American.  It doesn't matter which company has invested in the oil industry, they all must pay royalties on the oil products they extract and ship from the oil sands.  That is billions of dollars for Canada.

They also must hire many  Canadians to work the industries.  These people must pay income taxes just as the companies pay income taxes to the Canadian governments.  

You may be overblowing the effect of China having investment in the oil industry in Canada.  Most of the oil industry is probably run by American owned companies.  Foreign investment through these companies creates jobs and revenue for Canada.

They can't escape paying royalties and taxes to Canada.

The other point which you seemed to ignore is all the ways the Liberals have been liaisoning with China and allowing China to have growing influence in Canada.  I gave a long list above to prove it.

Rising Canada-China Energy Trade and the Continued Preponderance of the US in Canadian Oil Exports

"China has become the second-largest importer of Canadian crude thanks to the TMX pipeline, but the US still dominates, receiving over 90% of Canadian oil exports - around 4 million bpd. TMX has thus also reshaped Canada’s energy ties with the US, boosting shipments to West Coast refineries relative to traditional Gulf Coast and Midwest markets. Since TMX’s May 2024 launch, both the volume and share of exports to the US West Coast have grown, pushing Canadian oil shipments to a record 4.3 million bpd in July 2024."

TCI Energy Brief: One Year In, China is the Largest Purchaser of TMX Oil, Demonstrating the Viability of Canadian Energy Exports to the Asia-Pacific | The China Institute

Well sell 90% of our oil to the U.S.  But we sell a good part of the remaining 10% to China.  We need to sell more internatlonally if we are going to become an energy superpower.

 

 

Edited October 5, 2025 by blackbird

[I am Groot]

[I am Groot]

More fantastic use of our taxpayer funds to that centre of academic excellence, York University!

https://www.yorku.ca/yfile/2025/07/30/5-7m-in-sshrc-funding-for-yorks-transformative-social-impact-research/

 

 

Edited October 5, 2025 by I am Groot

[herbie]

Just cuz you can't get in......

[I am Groot]

19 minutes ago, herbie said:

Just cuz you can't get in......

LOl. Because York has such high standards!

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Canada, all parties toyed with the  Chinese but, bottom line...it was Harper and the conservatives that sold out our oil to the Chinese

You falsely claim the Harper sold out our oil industry to China.  It was not sold out.  The 2020 report below says only 5.2% of the oil production in Canada is by Chinese state-owned companies.   That is clearly not a sell out. 

Furthermore as I already stated, all oil companies must pay Alberta and Canada royalties and taxes.

The majority of the oil industry in Canada is controlled by foreign companies, with the U.S. being the largest shareholder by far.

It is necessary to have foreign companies develop the oil industry because that is where the companies exist that have the resources, investment, and ability to develop and run the oil industry.

China has only a very small share of the total oil industry in Canada according to articles you can find on the internet.

"While 10 of the 14 publicly traded oilsands companies have Canadian headquarters, only two of them—Athabasca Oil Corporation and Pengrowth Energy—are majority owned by Canadians.

They account for just 1.5 percent of overall production, according to Berman.

More than 52 percent of "oilsands production" is owned by American shareholders, which is more than twice the level of Canadian ownership, she added. Another 5.2 percent of production is owned by Chinese state-owned companies, according to the report."

Report shows 70 percent of Canadian oilsands production is owned by foreign companies and shareholders | Georgia Straight Vancouver’s source for arts, culture, and events

Note only 5.2% of oil production in Canada is owned by Chinese companies (state-owned).

Edited October 5, 2025 by blackbird

[Gaétan]

38 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

LOl. Because York has such high standards!

Isn't it telling that your support for Poilievre coincides with his harsher treatment of Palestinians?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

You falsely claim the Harper sold out our oil industry to China.  It was not sold out.  The 2020 report below says only 5.2% of the oil production in Canada is by Chinese state-owned companies.   That is clearly not a sell out. 

Furthermore as I already stated, all oil companies must pay Alberta and Canada royalties and taxes.

The majority of the oil industry in Canada is controlled by foreign companies, with the U.S. being the largest shareholder by far.

It is necessary to have foreign companies develop the oil industry because that is where the companies exist that have the resources, investment, and ability to develop and run the oil industry.

China has only a very small share of the total oil industry in Canada according to articles you can find on the internet.

"While 10 of the 14 publicly traded oilsands companies have Canadian headquarters, only two of them—Athabasca Oil Corporation and Pengrowth Energy—are majority owned by Canadians.

They account for just 1.5 percent of overall production, according to Berman.

More than 52 percent of "oilsands production" is owned by American shareholders, which is more than twice the level of Canadian ownership, she added. Another 5.2 percent of production is owned by Chinese state-owned companies, according to the report."

Report shows 70 percent of Canadian oilsands production is owned by foreign companies and shareholders | Georgia Straight Vancouver’s source for arts, culture, and events

Note only 5.2% of oil production in Canada is owned by Chinese companies (state-owned).

Sadly lies are all he has. 

And he forgot that the law harper had to agree to the sale under was brought in by... the liberals  

Were you here for the time exflyer posted a huge list of things conservatives supposedly 'Did" that were "scandals" and dared me to pick one, JUST ONE, and prove it was wrong?  I picked one and proved it was totally wrong  

He just doesn't do his own homework and relies on sites that confirm his bias.  He's just got to try a little harder and do his own research. 

[CdnFox]

MOAR failure. 

Even half of Carney’s goal a ‘stretch,’ homebuilders say

Carney’s ambitious housing goal? Forget it, homebuilders say

Builders and experts all agree Carney's housing plan is useless and won't even achieve half it's target.  Which means in a few years we're going to be right back to a nightmare of a housing mess. 

Gosh it's almost like i know what i'm talking about    Carney's plan won't build any new homes that wouldn't have already been built, if the gov't builds any itself it'll be in the thousands over several years, not in the millions we need. 

Edited October 5, 2025 by CdnFox

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, blackbird said:

No, that's not correct.  China is a relatively small investor in Canadian oil sands, and the U.S. imports about 90% of Canadian oil.  That means the U.S. is by far the largest importer of Canadian oil.    China imports a small fraction of what U.S. imports from Canada.  China is our second largest oil importer.

So how can you claim we sold out our oil to the Chinese??????  They develop a small fraction of our oil and pay royalties and taxes to do it.

Remember much of our resource industries are own or run by foreign companies.  Most are porbably American.  ...

You may be overblowing the effect of China having investment in the oil industry in Canada.  .

....

The other point which you seemed to ignore is all the ways the Liberals have been liaisoning with China and allowing China to have growing influence in Canada.  I gave a long list above to prove it.

.......  We need to sell more internatlonally if we are going to become an energy superpower.

 

 

My pints were not who we sell the oil to but who the owners of the oil sands production are. Also when the sale of the pol sands was enacted and that was during the Harper tenure.

What the liberals did or do with China is no different than what Harper did. As I said, all government parties dealt with China because, at the time, that was the best deal for Canada.

Also, yes, Canadians are employed but that has nothing to do with who owns the company. Walmart employs Canadians. So does Home Depot. So does Starbucks  and every other foreign company operating in Canada.

 

"Chinese companies own Canadian oil sands, through several major state-owned enterprises and other entities that have made significant investments in the sector, such as CNOOC (which owns Nexen), Sinopec (a partner in the Syncrude consortium), and PetroChina (which formerly owned a fully Chinese-controlled project). Chinese companies have pursued investments in Canada's oil sands to secure raw materials for their growing economy and have acquired both full project ownership and significant stakes in Canadian oil and gas companies."

"Chinese investments in the Canadian oil sands. 60% stake in Athabasca's MacKay and Dover oil sands projects, plus its subsequent purchase of the remaining 40% of the MacKay project. "

"How much of Alberta oil is foreign owned?

 

71 per cent

 

ForestEthics Advocacy released a game-changing research brief today documenting the massive foreign control of Alberta's tar sands oil industry. Publicly traded oil companies with active tar sands operations have a very high level of foreign ownership – 71 per cent."

https://thenarwhal.ca/tar-sands-oil-companies-71-percent-foreign-owned-cue-ezra-levants-outrage/

 

 

https://macleans.ca/economy/business/our-chinese-oil-sands/

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/international-business/asian-pacific-business/timeline-chinese-ownership-in-canadas-oil-patch/article6115488/

 

 

 

 

Edited October 5, 2025 by ExFlyer

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Chinese companies own Canadian oil sands,

You are grossly twisting the facts.   I quoted the article that says 5.2 % of the oil sands is owned by Chinese companies which are state controlled.  Over 52% is owned by American companies.

So 71 % of the oil sands is owned by foreign companies.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

"Chinese investments in the Canadian oil sands. 60% stake in Athabasca's MacKay and Dover oil sands projects, plus its subsequent purchase of the remaining 40% of the MacKay project. "

So what?  The total Chinese ownership in the oil sands is still only 5.2%.  It doesn't matter how much of one particular company China owns if their total ownership in the oil sands is only 5.2%.  The U.S. owns ten times as much of the investment in the oil sands as China.   

U.S.  52%

China 5.2%  

What's the problem then?

Edited October 5, 2025 by blackbird

[LinkSoul60]

On 10/4/2025 at 5:14 AM, blackbird said:

Carney is the PM and therefore he is the only one who could remove all the anti-energy industry laws.  Without him doing that, we will not become an energy superpower.  So he is the roadblock unless he changes.

He has so far supported the Trudeau era "kill the energy industry" laws.  Do you really think he will get rid of the tanker ban on the BC north coast?  Will he rescind the no more pipeline laws and remove the energy caps on the oil industry?  Will he allow Canada to become an energy superpower in the world?

Canada has the oil in the ground as the world's fourth largest source of oil.  It could become an energy superpower and bring in billions of dollars to help pay for health care, meeting our NATO commitment, and reduce our huge national debt.  But Carney is a World Economic Forum guy, a war on climate change kind of guy, and a U.N. globalist who believes in all that first.  Canada's economy, energy industry success is not his priority.

Carney is also the only one who can order the laws to be changed to keep dangerous offenders behind bars and stop the soft-on-crime criminal justice system.  He talks about changing the laws, but how much will he, as a liberal, actually change to really stop all the crime?

The question was 'what has he done to destroy making Canada great'.  Your reply is all 'if', 'unless' and 'maybe' which means little to nothing when answering 'what has he done'.

[taxme]

On 10/3/2025 at 9:10 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

In order...

What has Carney done to destroy making Canada great?

Most people believe in sovereignty and are against war. Your take is let a communist nation overtake others?

Nobody's forcing anyone.  Incentives are incentives...EV or ICE.  Choose what you want.

Nobody is allowing crime to continue and nobody wants to be the 'Poilievre Angels' like you angry sacks want to be.

They're not 3rd world refugees. In some cases they come from underdeveloped countries.  

How will a pipeline make YOU rich?  Pipelines are only creating jobs during construction. After that a limited amount. 

Who's grabbing guns?  What are you talking about....

You're on crack. Didn't some POS in a bad fitting blue suit say critical coverage of him was 'really illegal' and pushed hard on some late night show host and network (who ultimately told him to FU).  Free speech, whatever...

What agendas specifically don't you like, and how do you think they could be improved?

He's only been in the seat for 6 months so I'll give him more time.  Anyone else you can think of would have solved the problem known as Trump by now?

What, that all you got right guy? 😂

 

 

Go, Alberta, go. 

Go, Trump, go. 

Go, RIP, Canada, go.

I have asked you and others here several times as to what as Carnage the destroyer done so far to help make Canada great. And all i get from you is deflection and the same old bullshit coming from lieberals like you. 

On 10/3/2025 at 8:19 PM, Shady said:

Carney’s Canada.  We’re supposed to buy Canadian while they buy from China.

 

It has been elbows down for the past ten years under the lieberal Marxist regime. Canada has and still is failing in everything it does. And of course that is the plan by Carnage the destroyer. Bankrupt Canada and then hand Canada over to the WEF globalist scumbags that Carnage the destroyer works for. 

The lieberals keep bringing in tens of thousands of new unwanted and unneeded 3rd world refugees every year who are then paid to take jobs away from unemployed Canadians. On the federal government website for resettling 3rd world refugees in Canada, the lieberals plan on bringing in a whole pile of LGBTQXYZ12 into Canada this year and give them a years salary to boot to help them set up shop in Canada. This is your tax dollars at work.

I watch men in construction building things to make some money, and they work hard for their money, and many do not realize that they are going to work in the rain and the snow to help bring over a bunch of LGBTQXYZ112 that will get free money for a year. This is the betrayal that the lieberals have done to Canada. Canada should be one of the most filthy rich countries in the world and Canadians rich, but instead, Canada and Canadians is almost bankrupt. 

This is why i despise Canada and wish that it would just go away and die. I despise this lieberal Marxist globalist controlled country. Canada is a bloody joke and going woke and bankrupt and the rest of the world knows this. 

Try and convince me otherwise, if anyone can? Go ahead, make your day, especially all you lieberal fools out there. 🤡

[taxme]

On 10/3/2025 at 4:03 PM, I am Groot said:

Good to know my tax dollars are being spent so well, on such important research.

 

https://www.yorku.ca/yfile/2025/08/01/york-researchers-awarded-1-3-million-in-sshrc-partnership-development-grants/

We all need to know as to just where billions of our Canadian tax dollars are going every year just in foreign aid alone. The lieberals enjoy passing out the bankrupt borrowed bucks by the millions on hundreds of handouts to the many made up and fake lieberal outfits like you have shown above. Canada is bankrupt and Carnage the destroyer could careless. He just wants to keep borrowing and keep spending. Your tax dollars at work. It is wakey-wakey time, people. 😁

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

The question was 'what has he done to destroy making Canada great'.  Your reply is all 'if', 'unless' and 'maybe' which means little to nothing when answering 'what has he done'.

The trudeau era Liberals aleady destroyed the possibility of making Canada great with their anti energy laws. Carney does appear to be reversing that.  So he is refusing to make Canada great.  Why can't you see that? 

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Go, Alberta, go. 

Go, Trump, go. 

Go, RIP, Canada, go.

I have asked you and others here several times as to what as Carnage the destroyer done so far to help make Canada great. And all i get from you is deflection and the same old bullshit coming from lieberals like you. 

On 10/3/2025 at 8:19 PM, Shady said:

Deflect?  I answered your questions.  Why can't you answer mine...  

Go, tame, go.  Get the flock out of here if its that bad 👉

[taxme]

4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Deflect?  I answered your questions.  Why can't you answer mine...  

Go, tame, go.  Get the flock out of here if its that bad 👉

Ha-ha-ha. You never answer any questions, lieberal. Come on, just give me one good thing that Carnage the destroyer of Canada has done so far to help make Canada great and me prosperous? 

Bah-bah says the sheep to Linky boy, come visit me in the barn, will ya. LOL.

[LinkSoul60]

5 minutes ago, taxme said:

Ha-ha-ha. You never answer any questions, lieberal. Come on, just give me one good thing that Carnage the destroyer of Canada has done so far to help make Canada great and me prosperous? 

Bah-bah says the sheep to Linky boy, come visit me in the barn, will ya. LOL.

Why would I... I hit on each of your so-called gripes and you turtled after that with nothing logical to say other than your typical 'liebral' bullsh1t.

It's making sense...  you're a barn rat aren't you? 😂  

[I am Groot]

Canada's GDP per person in the last five years fell more than at any time since the great depression.

 

[I am Groot]

The people in all of Canada's provinces earn lower wages than the people in all US states.

 

Edited October 5, 2025 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]