A few of the many tragic deportation cases.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

You called us Nazis and dare to pretend to want a civil discussion? 

I know my place with Jesus. I know I am a sinner and I need saving. I don't pretend to be perfect, unlike you. The irony is, you pretend to be perfect while being a bigot of the highest order. 

Actually I did not call individuals Nazis.  I think I said the whole depotation system has some similarities to Naziism.  Big difference.  But you appear to often twist my words to make false claims.

[Deluge]

31 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Actually I did not call individuals Nazis.  I think I said the whole depotation system has some similarities to Naziism.  Big difference.  But you appear to often twist my words to make false claims.

But we get the gist of your bullshit which is that enforcing immigration law is akin to nazism. This is why everyone looks at you and laughs every time you post something. LOL!

[gatomontes99]

56 minutes ago, blackbird said:

A Christian doesn't "need saving".

If you don't understand what I said, then you don't even have the most basic understanding of Jesus's teachings. 

 

57 minutes ago, blackbird said:

False accusations. I think we've reached an impasse.  I tried to reach out but your mind is set.  Sad.

You aren't trying to reach out. You have come to a bad conclusion and are calling people Nazis because they don't share the same demented logic. 

[gatomontes99]

42 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Actually I did not call individuals Nazis.  I think I said the whole depotation system has some similarities to Naziism.  Big difference.  But you appear to often twist my words to make false claims.

A distinction without a difference. You are creating a comparison of deportations to what the Nazis did (aka the Holocaust). So you are implying that those that support deportations are Nazis. Quod erat demonstrandum.

I do not put words in your mouth, so to speak. I restate your words back to you to demonstrate just how deprived what you said was. Either you are naive or you are playing dùmb. Either way, what you have said was incredibly offensive to Jews and Americans. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge what you said is awful, disgusting and offensive is indicative of someone that holds a bigoted world view. 

[blackbird]

14 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You aren't trying to reach out. You have come to a bad conclusion and are calling people Nazis because they don't share the same demented logic. 

You seem to ignore the fact you accused me of comparing deportation with the Holocaust, even though I said nothing about the Holocaust.   I never accused anyone of supporting a Holocaust.

I likened the deportation system to Naziism, meaning Fascism.  I didn't say you were a Nazi.  There is a difference.

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fas·cism

[ˈfaˌSHizəm]

noun

-an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

-extremely authoritarian, intolerant, or oppressive ideas or behavior:

"an outright ban is just fascism"

-very intolerant or domineering views or practices in a particular area:

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I wasn't referring to individuals.  I was referring to the way the system of mass deportation is done.

Just arresting people, throwing them in a harsh prison in Alligator Alcatraz or sending them to an inhumane prison in El Salvador.  Denial of human rights.  That fits in with the definition of fascism.

 

[blackbird]

31 minutes ago, Deluge said:

But we get the gist of your bullshit which is that enforcing immigration law is akin to nazism. This is why everyone looks at you and laughs every time you post something. LOL!

Would you say what Trump is doing is very authoritarian and domineering in the area of undocumented immigrants?

[BeaverFever]

One of the good things about all the mass deportations is seeing all the MAGA Trump supporters crying on YouTube ”But I didn’t think he was going to deport MY  (wife/husband/sibling/child/employees)!!”

It’s almost more fun than the Trump farmers who were on YouTube crying “I didn’t think DOGE was going to defund MY government subsidies! NOW I’m gonna lose my farm!”

[WestCanMan]

The pendulum almost always swings too far, and when the gov't is dealing with tens of thousands of cases, like they are in this instance, they can't go through every file with a fine-tooth comb, or even on a case-by-case basis.

They had to find some reasonably broad parameters and just work within them, and they chose "drug and other felony convictions" as their line in the sand, and that's the epitome of reasonable grounds for deportation.  

For years the Dems were allowing violent criminals, terrorists and fentanyl distributors into the US by the tens of thousands and shielding them from ICE, to the point where hundreds of thousands of convicted criminals, and tens of thousands of violent offenders had accumulated in the US.

Eventually there had to be a change of course, and this is what a 180 looks like. 

The Dems could have done this on a case by case basis over the past decades, just by following existing laws that are already on the books, but they fought against that, so this problem got to the point where they had to use broad strokes to get it handled, and it's getting handled.

Sure, some people don't like seeing 'that nice guy convicted criminal' get deported, but for every 'nice guy convicted criminal' there are 50 'not nice guy convicted criminals'. 

Once you start making exceptions and exemptions for the various levels of criminals, you start to form a queue, and queues cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars. 

One last thing, there are tens of thousands of people in the US who have plead guilty to 'lesser charges' to save a costly trial with a foregone conclusion, or who only got light sentences because they were the ones who snitched on their fellow criminals. So just because a guy "only has a marijuana charge" doesn't mean much. Maybe the guy was a serial offender but the prosecution just didn't have the resources to pull all of the crimes together and try them all successfully, so they narrowed their dossier down to "the one case that we can win easily, and get a meaningful sentence for".

And if there's one thing I know for 100% certain about leftists, they're omitting, exaggerating, tweaking and fabricating this into a story that bears absolutely NO resemblance to the truth. Book it. 

Edited September 4, 2025 by WestCanMan

[blackbird]

18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

there are tens of thousands of people in the US who have plead guilty to 'lesser charges' to save a costly trial with a foregone conclusion, or who only got light sentences because they were the ones who snitched on their fellow criminals. So just because a guy "only has a marijuana charge" doesn't mean much.

So according to you, migrants with one charge twenty years ago of marijuana possession, must be big time drug dealers. 

I thought the principle is everyone is innocent until proven guilty. 

Sounds more like an invented scheme to deport people without justification.  

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Would you say what Trump is doing is very authoritarian and domineering in the area of undocumented immigrants?

Nope. I would say he's doing his job. If illegal aliens don't like the treatment they're getting then they should stop breaking into the country. 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

If you don't understand what I said, then you don't even have the most basic understanding of Jesus's teachings. 

We can only go by what you say.  You said " I know I am a sinner and I need saving."

What does that mean?

 

[gatomontes99]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

We can only go by what you say.  You said " I know I am a sinner and I need saving."

What does that mean?

 

You AI search didn't tell you?

https://biblehub.com/q/what_is_christian_salvation.htm

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

You AI search didn't tell you?

https://biblehub.com/q/what_is_christian_salvation.htm

I just asked you to explain what you mean "I need saving" and you refer me to some website.  That doesn't answer what you believe and what you meant.

Edited September 5, 2025 by blackbird

[Legato]

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I just asked you to explain what you mean "I need saving" and you refer me to some website.  That doesn't answer what you believe and what you meant.

People put their savings into a piggy bank.

The illegal immigrant piggy bank is called Alligator Alcatraz.

[User]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

So according to you, migrants with one charge twenty years ago of marijuana possession, must be big time drug dealers. 

I thought the principle is everyone is innocent until proven guilty. 

Sounds more like an invented scheme to deport people without justification.  

He was guilty, and it was done in court. 

 

[gatomontes99]

42 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I just asked you to explain what you mean "I need saving" and you refer me to some website.  That doesn't answer what you believe and what you meant.

I am not writing a thesis. They have. Read that.

[blackbird]

35 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

I am not writing a thesis. They have. Read that.

Forget it.  Guess you don't know how to answer a simple question.

[BeaverFever]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

For years the Dems were allowing violent criminals, terrorists and fentanyl distributors into the US by the tens of thousands and shielding them from ICE, to the point where hundreds of thousands of convicted criminals, and tens of thousands of violent offenders had accumulated in the US.

That’s BS

 

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Sure, some people don't like seeing 'that nice guy convicted criminal' get deported, but for every 'nice guy convicted criminal' there are 50 'not nice guy convicted criminals'. 

It’s not just “nice guy convicted criminals” it’s more like abiding members of the public with paperwork issues, technical visa infractions, people who have legally lived in USA their whole life and have some historical minor misdemeanour there are “deportable”. ICE doesn’t give AF. If they can snatch you up, they will. They’re zealots. There are barely any qualifications to be part of this new gestapo, it’s like they get paid on bounty or something. 

[gatomontes99]

30 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Forget it.  Guess you don't know how to answer a simple question.

I did answer the question. But, rather than giving you the simple answer that salvation occurs at death and the only way to live beyond our mortal lives is by accepting Jesus, I gave you the long answer with biblical references and a well organized thought structure because I don't have the time to answer the full thing. 

Here is the real deal, though. You didn't know that answer. You couldnt even find it on the net. Your schtick that you are some liberal Christian is up. You are lying. You failed a very simple test that even the most novice of Christians understand. 

Not only do you make light of the Holocaust, but you insult us by pretending to be Christian. That is just pathetic. If you want to debate honestly, lmk. Otherwise, pisś off. 

[WestCanMan]

15 hours ago, blackbird said:

So according to you, migrants with one charge twenty years ago of marijuana possession, must be big time drug dealers. 

I thought the principle is everyone is innocent until proven guilty. 

The principle is guilty when proven guilty. 

No one got convicted of having a joint or two.  

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s BS

STFU, cultist. How do you think they got in?

What does it mean when sanctuary cities refuse to turn over CONVICTED CRIMINALS when they're released from prison? How is that not "helping convicted criminals stay in the country"? 

What does it mean when democrat leaders openly declare their intent to protect convicted criminals from ICE?

"Duhhh, CNN sed its ok, so it is gooder than not" - Beave

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It’s not just “nice guy convicted criminals” it’s more like abiding members of the public with paperwork issues, technical visa infractions, people who have legally lived in USA their whole life and have some historical minor misdemeanour there are “deportable”. ICE doesn’t give AF. If they can snatch you up, they will. They’re zealots. There are barely any qualifications to be part of this new gestapo, it’s like they get paid on bounty or something. 

Read your article, dumbfork. Those people were convicted of crimes. 

 

Beave: "Uhhh, what's the matter, officer? Is my paperwork incorrect?"

Cop: "The paperwork is probably fine, but the 2 lbs of marijuana sitting on it is a problem."

Beave: "TECHNICALITY!"

[Nationalist]

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s BS

 

It’s not just “nice guy convicted criminals” it’s more like abiding members of the public with paperwork issues, technical visa infractions, people who have legally lived in USA their whole life and have some historical minor misdemeanour there are “deportable”. ICE doesn’t give AF. If they can snatch you up, they will. They’re zealots. There are barely any qualifications to be part of this new gestapo, it’s like they get paid on bounty or something. 

Not only are you full o' sh1t...but you are so far gone that you dont even realize that your own destructive stupidity created this situation.

Libbies...the intellectuals...pfft. 

[BeaverFever]

27 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

STFU, cultist. How do you think they got in?

Same ways they got in when Republicans were in charge 

 

28 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

What does it mean when sanctuary cities refuse to turn over CONVICTED CRIMINALS when they're released from prison?

That’s not true and not what sanctuary city means. For starters cities don’t run prisons for “convicted criminals” and aren’t in charge of handling convicts when they’re released  from prison you clueless dumfuk. Why don’t you learn how to think before spouting your BS

 

33 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

What does it mean when democrat leaders openly declare their intent to protect convicted criminals from ICE?

Give an example   Remember, you said convicted criminals

 

36 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Read your article, dumbfork. Those people were convicted of crimes. 

It’s not only those people though, you’re either lying or extremely stupid if unaware that most of the thousands of people swept up have no criminal history. One Turkish PHD student was snatched up and deported simply because 2 years ago she co-authored an article in the student newspaper critical of Israel’s policies.  Many are law abiding and upstanding members of their community who have technical/paperwork  issues or an old misdemeanour from decades ago or just happened to encounter the wrong border officer who’s a closet fascist. 

[BeaverFever]

29 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Not only are you full o' sh1t...but you are so far gone that you dont even realize that your own destructive stupidity created this situation.

Libbies...the intellectuals...pfft. 

Another empty troll post. When you first showed up on this forum you used to at least try to say something intelligent. Now all you do is post insults and troll. Something must’ve happened in your life recently.  Like you lost your job or your wife left you or something, you’re just a miserable old fuk now. 

[WestCanMan]

27 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Same ways they got in when Republicans were in charge 

 

That’s not true and not what sanctuary city means. For starters cities don’t run prisons for “convicted criminals” and aren’t in charge of handling convicts when they’re released  from prison you clueless dumfuk. Why don’t you learn how to think before spouting your BS

 

Give an example   Remember, you said convicted criminals

 

It’s not only those people though, you’re either lying or extremely stupid if unaware that most of the thousands of people swept up have no criminal history. One Turkish PHD student was snatched up and deported simply because 2 years ago she co-authored an article in the student newspaper critical of Israel’s policies.  Many are law abiding and upstanding members of their community who have technical/paperwork  issues or an old misdemeanour from decades ago or just happened to encounter the wrong border officer who’s a closet fascist. 

I don't even know where you get your BS from. 

Not even CNN says the things that you do now.

Are you watching MSNBC? Joy Reid, is that you?