A few of the many tragic deportation cases.

[gatomontes99]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I am not a lawyer and don't have the laws here, but I told you they may have committed a minor offence ten or twenty years ago.  I never said they were drug addicts.  You implied that.

Actually, conviction(s) of drug use implies that.

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

They may have a one time been convicted of possession of a small amount of pot when they were a minor but twenty years may have passed during which they lived good lives, even served in the U.S. Navy as in one case I posted.  Yet they are treated like hardened criminals and you don't see a problem with that.

The conviction is just a means of finding the immigration violaters. The fact is, your example is still an illegal immigrant that has been continuously violating our laws just by being here. 

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Not holding legal status is not an excuse to go after them harshly now  if they were allowed to live and work for many years. 

Yes it is. It is in the law. In fact, they are continuously and willfully violating the law. They have an opportunity to correct that. If they don't take that opportunity, they get deported. 

 

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I don't agree with that kind of Nazi mentality that you hold.  It is not biblical.  It is harsh and unreasonable.

And there it is. The last vestige of the losing argument...but Nazis! 

 

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ya perhaps.

If you were China or Russia, wouldn't you send a spy to apply to our military in hopes they would eventually have access to classified material?

[gatomontes99]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If they served in the U.S. Navy in the Gulf War, any normal person would think you actually owe them citizenship.

The law, the congress, the citizens have all said no.

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said:

The law, the congress, the citizens have all said no.

I don't know if that is the case.  I doubt there is any such statement in the law, by congress or the citizens, particularly concerning a person who served in the U.S. Navy honourably.  It simply doesn't make sense and I think you are making it up.

[gatomontes99]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I don't know if that is the case.  I doubt there is any such statement in the law, by congress or the citizens, particularly concerning a person who served in the U.S. Navy honourably.  It simply doesn't make sense and I think you are making it up.

It is not in the law because we said no to giving citizenship to those that serve. 

Well...more accurately...we never voted to allow it and probably won't

Edited September 4, 2025 by gatomontes99

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

If you were China or Russia, wouldn't you send a spy to apply to our military in hopes they would eventually have access to classified material?

True. Hadn't thought it through i guess.

[Deluge]

On 9/3/2025 at 4:19 AM, blackbird said:

"

Millions of immigrants call the United States home. Many are here legally, some live in the shadows; others have been deported or kept from joining their families in the United States, or else live in fear of being separated from their loved ones, as these immigrant stories illustrate.

Many immigrants have lived here for decades; they have families with U.S. citizens; they own businesses; they go to college; they have jobs and pay taxes. And every day, many of these individuals battle extremely harsh laws that can result in permanent exile and separation from their families.

The Bailey Family

Howard Dean Bailey served in the United States Navy during the first Gulf War. He ran his own business. He was a husband and a proud father. But at age 41, he was deported to Jamaica — a country he had never visited since leaving as a boy of 17 — based on an old marijuana conviction. The strain of separation caused his marriage to fall apart, and his children started doing badly at school. Howard struggles to understand how this could have happened to him. “I made a mistake, but that was 19 years ago and I never made another.” Read More.

The Matamoros Family

Ivon Matamoros came to the United States as a child. As an unauthorized immigrant, she would be eligible to temporarily remain in the country under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. But because she has a felony conviction under Arizona law for using false documents (in order to work), Ivon is ineligible for DACA and legalization. She now faces deportation and permanent separation from her husband and young daughter, a US citizen. Read More

The Carrascos Family

Hugo Carrascos’ parents brought him to the US at age ten, seeking education and opportunity for their son. Hugo didn’t even know about his unauthorized immigrant status until high school, when he tried to get a driver’s license. He married a US citizen and took a job as a server in a restaurant, mentoring at-risk youth in his spare time. But he was arrested during a workplace raid and now faces deportation. Read More

The Gutierrez Family

Oscar Gutierrez, who came to the US as a young teenager, is in deportation proceedings based on three DUIs and a conviction for driving without a license, all related to his struggles with alcoholism. Now sober, he’s the primary breadwinner and caretaker for his sick wife and two children, all US citizens. But because deportation is mandatory for his offenses, none of that counts in the eyes of the law, and he faces permanent separation from his wife and children.  Read More

The Forrester Family

Dana Forrester met her future husband, Astley, while on vacation in Jamaica. When they applied for visa for Astley to come to the U.S., immigration, they discovered that he was permanently barred from entering the United States. The reason? As an adolescent in Jamaica, he had picked up two minor convictions for possession of marijuana. Dana has been left to raise their children in the US, without her husband by her side.  Read More

The Khoy Family

Lundy Khoy was born in a Thai refugee camp after her parents fled the genocide in Cambodia. At one year old, she and her family came to the U.S. as refugees and were granted legal permanent residence. While attending college in the US, Lundy was convicted on a low-level drug possession charge. After serving three months in jail, Lundy moved back in with her parents, got a job, and enrolled in community college. But because of that old drug conviction, she faces deportation from the US, the only home she has ever known. Read More

Immigrant Stories - Immigrant Defense Project

And it feels like there aren't enough deportations. We need more deportations each day - a lot more. 

[blackbird]

It is really tragic that so many people blindly follow Trump and the MAGA gang with their radical anti-immigrant actions.  This same gang is aligning itself with the west's traditional opponents in the world, Russia, China, Iran, and N. Korea by voting with them against Europe and the Ukraine.

There are so many irrational things being done by this admin now it is stunning that some people still blindly follow them.

One can't help thinking that they are a core of white nationalists that want to turn America into a pure white race and cut itself off from all of our western allies and the rest of the world.  Their actions seem to point in that direction.

Edited September 4, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

16 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

And there it is. The last vestige of the losing argument...but Nazis! 

Actually what the Trump/MAGA supporters are doing does look very similar to Nazi Germany in the 1930s.  In Nazi land the enemy was the Jews.  Now the enemy is all the migrants from the third world.

You want to deport as many undocumented migrants as possible without any real due process.  Put tariffs on the rest of world.  Trump and presumably his loyal followers want to annex Canada, Greenland and the Panama and possibly other places.  All of Trump's agenda claims to "Make America Great Again".  This is what MAGA means.  

Your illustrious leader /admin voted with Russia, China, N. Korea and Iran against your traditional allies, Europe and against the Ukraine.

This looks more like a new Axis of Evil which includes America.  This is the way many people are looking at it now. 

The new white Nationalist America.  Get rid of as many brown people who don't have proper legal status.

Now Trump is sending out requests for support and claiming he wants to get to heaven.  He thinks he can earn his way to heaven by stopping the war in the Ukraine.  Does that mean he doesn't think he presently is on the way to heaven?  Is he going to gear his agenda to earn his way to heaven now?  What a mess.

Trump fundraiser asks for $15 donations so he can ‘try and get to Heaven’

Sometimes the truth hurts doesn't it.

Edited September 4, 2025 by blackbird

[User]

29 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It is really tragic that so many people blindly follow Trump and the MAGA gang with their radical anti-immigrant actions. 

It is not blind at all, nor is it "anti-immigrant"

It is anti-illegal immigration. 

[Shady]

29 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It is really tragic that so many people blindly follow Trump and the MAGA gang with their radical anti-immigrant actions.

You're not differentiating between immigration and illegal immigration.  Immigrant and illegal immigrant.  Their not anti-immigrant actions, they're anti-illegal immigrant actions.   Enough is enough.

2 minutes ago, User said:

It is not blind at all, nor is it "anti-immigrant"

It is anti-illegal immigration. 

They purposely conflate the two.

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, Shady said:

You're not differentiating between immigration and illegal immigration.

No.  I don't think Trump and the MAGA differentiate much between legal and illegal immigration.   The proof is also shown in Trump's attempt to end birthright citizenship, a long established practice.

The laws make it next to impossible for an undocumented immigrant to obtain legal status.  The U.S. system is not accommodating to undocumented migrants at all.  There is no mercy.

Trump has consistently shown his hatred or disdain for immigrants.  His whole election campaign was built on an anti-immigrant stance.

"

On the campaign trail, President Trump made his promise to drastically slash immigration a rallying cry. Since taking office, he’s issued a flurry of executive orders aimed at achieving those goals, from ending birthright citizenship to freezing funding for refugee resettlement and migrant legal aid organizations. 

Immigrant rights groups have responded with lawsuits challenging the legality of these orders and report a climate of fear that is making people question whether to accept farm jobs or take children to school.

Trump’s rhetoric and policy actions alike are dramatic. But heated political conversation about immigration, laced with issues of race and class, is nothing new in the United States. Trump’s executive actions are the latest entry in the long saga of our nation’s fraught relationship with immigration, a subject on which Hidetaka Hirota, an associate professor of history at UC Berkeley, is an expert. 

Hirota studies American immigration law, stretching back even before the U.S. was formed. Anti-immigrant, or at least anti-outsider, sentiment has existed throughout our nation’s past, he says, and many tensions over labor and race that fuel immigration debates today are continuations of a centuries-old standoff. 

“Trump is really outstanding, in a sense. He is bold,” Hirota said. “But at the same time, his language, his approach, the way he views immigration were actually built on earlier discourses.”

Recently, Hirota spoke with UC Berkeley News to provide historical context for Trump’s attempts to end birthright citizenship, explain how demand for immigrant labor has shaped U.S. policy and share his perspective on America’s shifting attitude toward migration."

How Trump's immigration policies compare to those of America's past - Berkeley News

 

 

[gatomontes99]

26 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Actually what the Trump/MAGA supporters are doing does look very similar to Nazi Germany in the 1930s.  In Nazi land the enemy was the Jews.  Now the enemy is all the migrants from the third world.

That is absolutely fùcking disgusting. Honestly, you should be banned for that. To diminish what the Jews went through, in the holocaust, and equate it to deporting illegal immigrants that violated the law is utterly, embarrassingly, disgusting. What is wrong with you? 

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said:

equate it to deporting illegal immigrants that violated the law is utterly,

You have to admit there is hatred for undocumented migrants in America.  They are rounded up like a herd of animals and sent wherever it can be arranged without any real fair process.  This kind of hatred of immigrants is similar to the hatred the Nazis had for Jews.  The Jews were also persecuted for 1,500 years or more throughout Europe.  There was a hatred of Jews and still is by many people.

It looks much the same as the hatred of undocumented migrants.  Comments on here show no mercy or consideration for treating people in a humane manner.  So what are you getting up on your high horse for?  You believe they should all just be rounded up and deported without question.  Sure, they are not being sent to concentrations camps or gas chambers.  But they are receiving inhumane treatment and families are being broken up.  It is pretty bad.  You need to admit that.

[gatomontes99]

17 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You have to admit there is hatred for undocumented migrants in America.  They are rounded up like a herd of animals and sent wherever it can be arranged without any real fair process.  This kind of hatred of immigrants is similar to the hatred the Nazis had for Jews.  The Jews were also persecuted for 1,500 years or more throughout Europe.  There was a hatred of Jews and still is by many people.

It looks much the same as the hatred of undocumented migrants.  Comments on here show no mercy or consideration for treating people in a humane manner.  So what are you getting up on your high horse for?  You believe they should all just be rounded up and deported without question.  Sure, they are not being sent to concentrations camps or gas chambers.  But they are receiving inhumane treatment and families are being broken up.  It is pretty bad.  You need to admit that.

You are a special kind of disgusting. Only kiddy porn freaks disgust me more. 

[blackbird]

25 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

That is absolutely fùcking disgusting. Honestly, you should be banned for that. To diminish what the Jews went through, in the holocaust, and equate it to deporting illegal immigrants that violated the law is utterly, embarrassingly, disgusting. What is wrong with you? 

Hatred is hatred.  Those on here who have made endless statements saying just deport all the undocumented migrants regardless of their situation or circumstances (they call them illegal aliens).  That shows a contempt or hatred for these migrants.  Their statements have shown they don't care for them at all regardless of the fact it might destroy their families.  They were even ok with illegally sending them to that torture prison in El Salvador.  You don't see any similarity between that kind of hate and Nazi hate of the Jews.  Hate is hate and is an evil thing and you want to claim it doesn't exist?

So you hate me for pointing it out.

Edited September 4, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

11 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You are a special kind of disgusting. Only kiddy porn freaks disgust me more. 

Hatred of others for their opinions pointing out what one considers as evil attitudes toward other humans is not how I see Jesus Christ as operating.  Jesus said love they neighbour  (including undocumented migrants).  How is that shown by all the comments on here?

I am not perfect, but I do try to point out what I see as wrong.  Perhaps we all need to think more about what Jesus would think or do in any circumstance.

I have also at times been accused of not being a Christian by people that don't even profess to be Christians.  These people know nothing about the Bible or Christianity.

Edited September 4, 2025 by blackbird

[gatomontes99]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Hatred is hatred.

You would know.

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Those on here who have made endless statements saying just deport all the undocumented migrants regardless of their situation or circumstances (they call them illegal aliens).  That shows a contempt or hatred for these migrants. 

And your hatred is showing. You assume motivations because your own bigotry precludes you from seeing anything other than nefarious intent. 

The reality is, illegal aliens are in violation of the law. Sending them back to their home country is the law. When that law is enforced, fewer people die, fewer are sold into sex slavery, fewer are forced to work in Marijuana fields and so many other positive things happen. But your bigotry won't let you see the compassion in the benefits of the law. 

I am absolutely disgusted by your insistence that the Holocaust is any way analogous to deportations. You do understand that millions of people died, right?  We are saving lives by enforcing the law. You are just an awful person. Just flat awful. Why would you beleive anything you said? 

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Hatred of others for their opinions pointing out what one considers as evil attitudes toward other humans is not how I see Jesus Christ as operating.  Jesus said love they neighbour  (including undocumented migrants).  How is that shown by all the comments on here?

He also flipped tables when people were disgusting. 

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said:

I am absolutely disgusted by your insistence that the Holocaust is any way analogous to deportations.

I never said anything about the Holocaust and never said deportations are the similar to the Holocaust.  So you are wrong about that.  I won't say you lied about it, but you are seriously mistaken.  I said the mass deportation is similar to Nazisim, meaning in the way people are being treated inhumanely.  That's all I meant.  Nazis hated Jews.  I didn't say you are practicing a Holocaust.  But there seems to be a hatred of undocumented migrants going on in the way they are treated.

[blackbird]

13 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You are just an awful person. Just flat awful. Why would you beleive anything you said? 

It is sad that you would say things like that.  Are you a Bible believer or Christian?  If so, we should be finding a way to be at peace with one another instead of throwing hateful comments around.  I am sure Jesus would not want us to behave like this.  We shouldn't be bringing everything down to a personal level and personal attacks.   That is a Satanic thing.  I am going to make an effort to avoid that.  I do apologize for any personal attacks or comments.  

Edited September 4, 2025 by blackbird

[gatomontes99]

18 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I never said anything about the Holocaust and never said deportations are the similar to the Holocaust.  So you are wrong about that.  I won't say you lied about it, but you are seriously mistaken.  I said the mass deportation is similar to Nazisim, meaning in the way people are being treated inhumanely.  That's all I meant.  Nazis hated Jews.  I didn't say you are practicing a Holocaust.  But there seems to be a hatred of undocumented migrants going on in the way they are treated.

AI Summary: the user is stating that deportations are not like the Holocaust while comparing the Holocaust to deportations. 

You are treading on the mass Graves of Jews to spew your own brand of hatred. Diminishing the biggest plight on the history of humanity for your own personal political gain is disgusting. You are a sad little person in every respect. Don't pretend you are being compassionate when you know that if you got your way that women and girls would be raped in mass  thousands would die from the journey or be killed brother cartels and millions will end up as slaves in the sex industry or farm industry. 

You are anything but compassionate. You are a bigot of the highest level. I stand behind my statement that the only people that disgust me more than you are the kiddy porn a-holes. 

[gatomontes99]

17 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It is sad that you would say things like that.  Are you a Bible believer or Christian?  If so, we should be finding a way to be at peace with one another instead of throwing hateful comments around.  I am sure Jesus would not want us to behave like this.  We shouldn't be bringing everything down to a personal level and personal attacks.   That is a Satanic thing.  I am going to make an effort to avoid that.  I do apologize for any personal attacks or comments.  

You called us Nazis and dare to pretend to want a civil discussion? 

I know my place with Jesus. I know I am a sinner and I need saving. I don't pretend to be perfect, unlike you. The irony is, you pretend to be perfect while being a bigot of the highest order. 

[blackbird]

47 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You called us Nazis and dare to pretend to want a civil discussion? 

I know my place with Jesus. I know I am a sinner and I need saving. I don't pretend to be perfect, unlike you. The irony is, you pretend to be perfect while being a bigot of the highest order. 

False accusations. I think we've reached an impasse.  I tried to reach out but your mind is set.  Sad.

51 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You called us Nazis and dare to pretend to want a civil discussion? 

I know my place with Jesus. I know I am a sinner and I need saving. I don't pretend to be perfect, unlike you. The irony is, you pretend to be perfect while being a bigot of the highest order. 

A Christian doesn't "need saving".

[Shady]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

No.  I don't think Trump and the MAGA differentiate much between legal and illegal immigration.   The proof is also shown in Trump's attempt to end birthright citizenship, a long established practice.

No, they actually do.  Regardless, Democrats had their change to address the issue of illegal immigration, and do it their way, perhaps being more lenient in certain cases.  But they did nothing.  Absolutely nothing.  As a result, voters chose to elect somebody that would actually address the issue.

[blackbird]

6 minutes ago, Shady said:

No, they actually do.  Regardless, Democrats had their change to address the issue of illegal immigration, and do it their way, perhaps being more lenient in certain cases.  But they did nothing.  Absolutely nothing.  As a result, voters chose to elect somebody that would actually address the issue.

It is more like mob rule now.

[Shady]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It is more like mob rule now.

Not mob rule, it's being done according to the law, regardless of situation.