Shooting in a Christian School in the US. Whether or not it will be Highly Publicized is Yet to be Determined (ie, the shooter's political status)

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Was Brandon raping kids in the Whitehouse?

This has little to nothing to do with trannies being treated badly in public.

I suspect it has much more to do with the psychological stain of denying one's own sex.

Your suspicions have no basis in reality.

Which church persecutes transsexuals the MOST?

[West]

42 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Or maybe we should teach everyone to love trannies to minimize their persecution and grievances.

Q: which church persecutes transsexuals' the MOST?

I dont think its too much to ask a Trans to not go and kill a six year old. Seems common sense

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, West said:

I dont think its too much to ask a Trans to not go and kill a six year old. Seems common sense

racist. 

[Venandi]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

Your suspicions have no basis in reality.

 

 Sort of like your thoughtful observations and witty repartee.  

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

Which church persecutes transsexuals the MOST?

Whether you articulate it as Religion / church or church / religion the answer is actually Islam... "Queers For Palestine" stands as the pinnacle of delusional L/W thinking.

It sounded like you're suggesting the "persecution" you refer to is somehow sufficient to make attacks like this "understandable".

If so, please consider the quote below... you may recognize the author: 

 "You don't understand just how pathetic YOUR ^IGNROANCE IS, Dunning-Kruger."

 

 

Edited August 28, 2025 by Venandi

[gatomontes99]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Or maybe we should teach everyone to love trannies to minimize their persecution and grievances.

Q: which church persecutes transsexuals' the MOST?

Islam

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Your suspicions have no basis in reality.

Which church persecutes transsexuals the MOST?

Islam!

[Boges]

15 hours ago, Nationalist said:

BTW...I'd expect a civilian blood bath should your scenario play out.

Exactly!!! That's why the intent of the 2nd amendment is useless. The government can do what it wants because it's the strongest military in the world. And the only thing that can stop it are the check and balances put in place by the founders and not private ownership of guns. 

It's being used as a justification for allowing private ownership of weapons used to kill people. And guess what happens more in America than in any other Western Democratic Nation. People, including many children, die by guns. 

Even in Canada, that vast majority of gun deaths happen because guns can so easily be smuggled from the US into Canada. 

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

Exactly!!! That's why the intent of the 2nd amendment is useless. The government can do what it wants because it's the strongest military in the world. And the only thing that can stop it are the check and balances put in place by the founders and not private ownership of guns. 

It's being used as a justification for allowing private ownership of weapons used to kill people. And guess what happens more in America than in any other Western Democratic Nation. People, including many children, die by guns. 

Even in Canada, that vast majority of gun deaths happen because guns can so easily be smuggled from the US into Canada. 

Ya except, you can scream, howl, or try to reason. Nothing will change the American desire for firearms. 

Edited August 28, 2025 by Nationalist

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

Your suspicions have no basis in reality.

Which church persecutes transsexuals the MOST?

Islam.

[Boges]

10 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ya except, you can scream, howl, or try to reason. Nothing will change the American desire for firearms. 

And we can point out how insane it is every time they allow children to be slaughtered. 

There's a video of a 10-year-old from yesterday. He said they were well trained in what to do with an active shooter. But they had never done the drill in church. His friend lay on top of him and was shot. 

As a parent of 2, I'm thankful that my children never had to burden themselves with active shooter drills. 

[gatomontes99]

32 minutes ago, Boges said:

Exactly!!! That's why the intent of the 2nd amendment is useless. The government can do what it wants because it's the strongest military in the world

And then what happens? 

The assumption that the military would even carry out orders to kill civilians is not necessarily a given. After all, you might literally have family members in that uprising. Do you think an officer would order troops to kill people that are in his family? He might. But there is a good chance he won't. 

The aftermath would be even greater. J6 would be a small gathering of friends compared to the protests and unrest that would follow such an event. 

But, your assumption that 2A is about fighting our own government is wrong. The purpose of 2A was to expedite training of civilians to fight. If civilians knew how to shoot, then all they needed to know was how to fight. 

The added benefit of an armed civilization is invasion is absolutely impossible. Imagine Mexico trying to cross the border into Texas. They'd get mowed down in every town by civilians that can shoot and have more ammo than the Mexican army. 

The Constitution is supposed to defend us from tyranny. If tyranny were to happen, 2A wouldn't be relevant because the Constitution wouldn't be valid.

[Shady]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Exactly!!! That's why the intent of the 2nd amendment is useless.

Then amend the constitution.

1 hour ago, Boges said:

And we can point out how insane it is every time they allow children to be slaughtered. 

There's a video of a 10-year-old from yesterday. He said they were well trained in what to do with an active shooter. But they had never done the drill in church. His friend lay on top of him and was shot. 

As a parent of 2, I'm thankful that my children never had to burden themselves with active shooter drills. 

There's plenty of guns in Canada if somebody wanted to go to a school.

[Boges]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

And then what happens? 

The assumption that the military would even carry out orders to kill civilians is not necessarily a given. After all, you might literally have family members in that uprising. Do you think an officer would order troops to kill people that are in his family? He might. But there is a good chance he won't. 

The aftermath would be even greater. J6 would be a small gathering of friends compared to the protests and unrest that would follow such an event. 

But, your assumption that 2A is about fighting our own government is wrong. The purpose of 2A was to expedite training of civilians to fight. If civilians knew how to shoot, then all they needed to know was how to fight. 

The added benefit of an armed civilization is invasion is absolutely impossible. Imagine Mexico trying to cross the border into Texas. They'd get mowed down in every town by civilians that can shoot and have more ammo than the Mexican army. 

The Constitution is supposed to defend us from tyranny. If tyranny were to happen, 2A wouldn't be relevant because the Constitution wouldn't be valid.

Seems like a weird trade-off when you consider the number of gun deaths Americans have to endure. 

We're seeing a world where drones, airstrikes and long-range missiles win wars and not a well-armed militia. 

But the scenario you paint is true for any nation. That's why no major nation has been able to successfully conquer another nation since the end of WW2. Gorilla tactics are impossible to defeat without committing war crimes. 

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, Shady said:

Then amend the constitution.

There's plenty of guns in Canada if somebody wanted to go to a school.

And why don't they? I was in cottage country this summer at a Canadian TIre. I was with my son looking for the fishing section and came across rows of shot guns and rifles. He was fascinated, wanted me to buy one. I said, even if I wanted, I couldn't. Too many hoops to jump that I'm not prepared to do. 

But here you have a troubled kid in Minnesota with very disturbing social media content that was able to buy a shotgun, rifle and hand gun LEGALLY and could kill kids in a church. This is simply nothing something most developed nations tolerate. 

[Venandi]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

Exactly!!! That's why the intent of the 2nd amendment is useless.

Polarization and identity politics (largely nurtured for political gain) is close to morphing into a true monster now IMO. I'm beginning to think that unless we see an immediate push toward reconciliation and a cohesive society that it's already too late.

It's possible that you (we and us BTW) aren't far from sectarian violence on a larger scale if we enter a cycle of political backlash that see-saws between extremes. It brings with it the threat of bombings and more of the vehicular terrorism we've already seen. 

Not unheard of in other places where polarized identities and partisan causes result in tit for tat domestic violence against soft targets is it? Perversely perhaps, sometimes the absence of guns can lead to more lethal outcomes than if guns were actually in play. That's not a position for or against the second amendment either, I see it more as the acknowledgement of a sad reality based on human nature and long vacations in warm places.   

My fear now is that we're reaching a point where endless unproductive arguments over the second amendment will be viewed as the good old days and we're collectively walking toward that possibility with earplugs in and blindfolds on.  

Edited August 28, 2025 by Venandi

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Polarization and identity politics (largely nurtured for political gain) is close to morphing into a true monster now IMO. I'm beginning to think that unless we see an immediate push toward reconciliation and a cohesive society that it's already too late.

It's possible that you (we and us BTW) aren't far from sectarian violence on a larger scale if we enter a cycle of political backlash that see-saws between extremes. It brings with it the threat of bombings and more of the vehicular terrorism we've already seen. 

Not unheard of in other places where polarized identities and partisan causes result in tit for tat domestic violence against soft targets is it? Perversely perhaps, sometimes the absence of guns can lead to more lethal outcomes than if guns were actually in play. That's not a position for or against the second amendment either, I see it more as the acknowledgement of a sad reality based on human nature.   

My fear now is that we're reaching a point where endless unproductive arguments over the second amendment will be viewed as the good old days and we're collectively walking toward it with earplugs in and blindfolds on.  

I'm seeing a lot of reactions to this shooting blaming the fact that the shooter was trans. 

So ban trans people from getting guns. It's just more polarization. 

Mental health and isolation aren't a uniquely US problem. What's a uniquely US problem is that weapons of war (I include hand guns) can be easily purchases with little, to no screening. 

[Venandi]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

I'm seeing a lot of reactions to this shooting blaming the fact that the shooter was trans. 

So ban trans people from getting guns. It's just more polarization. 

Mental health and isolation aren't a uniquely US problem. What's a uniquely US problem is that weapons of war (I include hand guns) can be easily purchases with little, to no screening. 

Don't ignore PNR during the voyage to Crazy Island though... what I'm suggesting is that you're closing in on point where that becomes the least of your worries and it might be best to address the underlying issues. I fear that thinking all of this comes down to "guns yes" or "guns no" has the potential to become superfluous... if that happens the rapidity with which it does could be frightening. First time I've ever been concerned about such things here BTW.

Cheers.

 

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Don't ignore PNR during the voyage to Crazy Island though... what I'm suggesting is that you're closing in on point where that becomes the least of your worries and it might be best to address the underlying issues. I fear that thinking all of this comes down to "guns yes" or "guns no" has the potential to become superfluous... if that happens the rapidity with which it does could be frightening. First time I've ever been concerned about such things here BTW.

Cheers.

I'm assuming you're America. 

We Canadians watch this with bewilderment. But yes, your polarization is astonishing. It's like both sides of the spectrum are speaking completely different languages. 

[Venandi]

6 minutes ago, Boges said:

I'm assuming you're America. 

Nope Canadian and IMO, the only people who are bewildered are those who haven't been to truly unpleasant places and stayed for a long time. Interestingly enough though, one of the interesting differences here is that we all speak the same language. Imagine if there were the same number of dialects as there is in Sudan... 

We really need to see refugees from these places interviewed on public forum, I think people would really be surprised by what they have to say and the wisdom they bring to the table.  

Have to run... cheers.

Edited August 28, 2025 by Venandi

[Shady]

34 minutes ago, Boges said:

And why don't they? I was in cottage country this summer at a Canadian TIre. I was with my son looking for the fishing section and came across rows of shot guns and rifles. He was fascinated, wanted me to buy one. I said, even if I wanted, I couldn't. Too many hoops to jump that I'm not prepared to do. 

But here you have a troubled kid in Minnesota with very disturbing social media content that was able to buy a shotgun, rifle and hand gun LEGALLY and could kill kids in a church. This is simply nothing something most developed nations tolerate. 

And how would you constitutionally deny him purchasing a firearm if he has no prior criminal record, and passes the background check, etc?  

[Boges]

9 minutes ago, Shady said:

And how would you constitutionally deny him purchasing a firearm if he has no prior criminal record, and passes the background check, etc?  

Ultimately the problem is private ownership of semi-automatic weapons. I know a certain poster will come in here and say, nuh-uh the AR-15 isn't a military style weapon!!! So go one step further and only allow weapons one could reasonably use for hunting large game and not mowing down kids praying in a church. Shot Guns, and some rifles with a strict magazine cap. When you can write "Kill Trump" in large letters on your magazine, you're probably not using it to hunt deer. 

Every other developed nation in the world has tackled this problem. The US still struggles with it, simply because the political appetite is not there. Owning weapons designed to kill humans is more important than the safety of their children. 

[Shady]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

Ultimately the problem is private ownership of semi-automatic weapons. I know a certain poster will come in here and say, nuh-uh the AR-15 isn't a military style weapon!!! So go one step further and only allow weapons one could reasonably use for hunting large game and not mowing down kids praying in a church. Shot Guns, and some rifles with a strict magazine cap. When you can write "Kill Trump" in large letters on your magazine, you're probably not using it to hunt deer. 

Every other developed nation in the world has tackled this problem. The US still struggles with it, simply because the political appetite is not there. Owning weapons designed to kill humans is more important than the safety of their children. 

Canadians own semi-automatic weapons.  All a semi-automatic weapon is is that one round is discharged each time the trigger is pulled.  Military "style" refers to the look of the weapon, not the actual performance.  For example an AR-15 isn't used in the military.  Yes, many countries have sided with giving up more freedom for more security.  In the United States, they haven't had the appetite to give up such freedoms.  That would need to take place in order to amend the constitution because I think any changes need to be ratified by two thirds of the house and two thirds of the states.

[User]

15 minutes ago, Boges said:

Ultimately the problem is private ownership of semi-automatic weapons.

No, this is not "the problem"

The problem is that some mentally deranged person decided to act on their mentally deranged desires to harm others. 

As if driving a box truck through hundreds of people is somehow better. 

16 minutes ago, Boges said:

I know a certain poster will come in here and say, nuh-uh the AR-15 isn't a military style weapon!!!

No, just point out the absurdity of the terminology. 

Literally everything is a "military style" weapon. They use pistols, shotguns, bolt action rifles... and shovels too!

17 minutes ago, Boges said:

Every other developed nation in the world has tackled this problem. The US still struggles with it, simply because the political appetite is not there. Owning weapons designed to kill humans is more important than the safety of their children. 

No, they have not tackled this problem. Mass killings and even mass shootings still occur in those developed countries. 

 

[robosmith]

12 hours ago, West said:

I dont think... 

Can you figure out why transsexuals might have grievances and blame the Catholic Church?

[User]

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Can you figure out why transsexuals might have grievances and blame the Catholic Church?

Why? What does that have to do with anything here?

There is NOTHING the Catholic Chuch is doing that justifies someone shooting up a bunch of kids... let alone anyone. 

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Venandi said:

 Sort of like your thoughtful observations and witty repartee.  

No, claims made must have REASONS to be taken seriously.

6 hours ago, Venandi said:

Whether you articulate it as Religion / church or church / religion the answer is actually Islam... "Queers For Palestine" stands as the pinnacle of delusional L/W thinking.

You are dismissed.

6 hours ago, Venandi said:

It sounded like you're suggesting the "persecution" you refer to is somehow sufficient to make attacks like this "understandable".

As opposed to your FAILURE to understand.

6 hours ago, Venandi said:

If so, please consider the quote below... you may recognize the author: 

 "You don't understand just how pathetic YOUR ^IGNROANCE IS, Dunning-Kruger."

Offering a POSSIBLE REASON is not a claim of expertise. Duh

Maybe you got a better one that YOU FORGOT TO POST.