Could the Palestinians of Gaza be the descendants of the ancient Philistines in the Bible?

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

You guys love rolling in the same shitpile like a dog that's found a bag of fish fertilizer in the corner of the barn.

No subject may be posted about enything without running back to the shitpile, tails wagging.

You and eyeball gotta stop day-drinkin'

[Legato]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

You guys love rolling in the same shitpile like a dog that's found a bag of fish fertilizer in the corner of the barn.

No subject may be posted about enything without running back to the shitpile, tails wagging.

You should keep your barn door shut.

[Shady]

7 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

I bet you aren't swift enough to know what it is when you tar a nation based on anecdotal evidence of the behavior of a few individuals, are you?

You’re obviously unaware of the rampant racism and antisemitism in the Middle East.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Like most Jews, Palestinians are partly of Canaanite origin. 

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Like most Jews, Palestinians are partly of Canaanite origin. 

"The Canaanites and Jews were both ancient Semitic peoples who inhabited the region of the Levant, with the Canaanites predating the Jews in the area. Both groups practiced polytheistic religions, with the Canaanites worshiping a pantheon of gods and goddesses, while the Jews were monotheistic, worshiping only one God. The Canaanites were known for their advanced agricultural practices and trade networks, while the Jews were known for their strict adherence to religious laws and customs. Despite their similarities, the Canaanites and Jews had distinct cultural identities and histories that set them apart from each other. 

thisvsthat.io   unquote

  The difference in the ancient region of the Levant, is, as it says above, that God chose Abraham to be the father of Israel (the Jews) and gave them commands on how to worship the one true God.  This is described in the first five books of the Bible, called the Pentateuch.   God choosing Abraham in Genesis chap. 12.  He is considered the Father of Israel.  The three main religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all make claims about Abraham today.

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1  Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2  And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3  And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. 

4  So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran. 5  And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother’s son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came. "               Genesis 12:1-4  KJV

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The Canaanites, a group of ancient people who inhabited the land of Canaan, are frequently depicted in the Bible as a morally corrupt and idolatrous society. Their presence and practices posed significant challenges to the Israelites, who were commanded by God to conquer and occupy the land promised to them. The Canaanites are often associated with various tribes, including the Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, among others.

Biblical Background

The origins of the Canaanites can be traced back to Canaan, the grandson of Noah, as recorded in Genesis 10:15-18: "Canaan was the father of Sidon his firstborn, and of the Hittites, Jebusites, Amorites, Girgashites, Hivites, Arkites, Sinites, Arvadites, Zemarites, and Hamathites." The land of Canaan, which they inhabited, was described as a fertile and prosperous region, yet it was also a place of great spiritual darkness due to the Canaanites' practices.

Religious Practices and Idolatry

The Canaanites were notorious for their idolatrous worship, which included the veneration of deities such as Baal and Asherah. Their religious practices were often characterized by rituals that were abhorrent to the God of Israel. In Deuteronomy 12:31, the Israelites are warned, "You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods."

Moral Corruption

The moral depravity of the Canaanites is highlighted throughout the biblical narrative. Leviticus 18:24-25 warns the Israelites against adopting the Canaanites' practices: "Do not defile yourselves by any of these practices, for by all these things the nations I am driving out before you have defiled themselves. Even the land has become defiled, so I am punishing it for its sin, and the land will vomit out its inhabitants." The Canaanites' practices included sexual immorality, child sacrifice, and other forms of wickedness that were detestable in the sight of God.

Divine Judgment and Conquest

The conquest of Canaan by the Israelites under Joshua was a direct command from God, intended to execute divine judgment upon the Canaanites for their wickedness. In Deuteronomy 9:4-5, God makes it clear that the Israelites' victory is not due to their own righteousness: "It is not because of your righteousness or your integrity that you are going in to take possession of their land; but on account of the wickedness of these nations, the LORD your God will drive them out before you, to accomplish what he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob."
Topical Bible: The Canaanites: Profane and Wicked

Edited September 13, 2025 by blackbird

[SpankyMcFarland]

How a monotheistic religion arose in the region must be speculative but it is reasonable to assume it did so from a polytheistic predecessor, a belief in one deity alone being very much the exception in human history. I’d be more interested in the DNA. 

[herbie]

Occam's razor.
It is simpler to imagine one God than many. Most religions are monotheist. They differ mostly by the name they call it and the prophet of significance.

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 8/16/2025 at 5:09 PM, WestCanMan said:

If you wanna know the basics of the Arab-Israeli war, know this: the muslims are 100% ok with the slaughter of millions of people, just as long as they're not muslims. The murder of any number of muslims, regardless how small, is an atrocity that can never be forgiven.

I’d go simpler than that. It is at heart a tribal conflict over land similar to countless other wars. The British made things worse by opening Palestine’s borders to European refugees after passing legislation to keep them out of Britain. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

Occam's razor.
It is simpler to imagine one God than many. Most religions are monotheist. They differ mostly by the name they call it and the prophet of significance.

Humans seen to have come very late to monotheism - most religions were not monotheistic if you go back before 1000 BC. Before then people saw spirits all around them and followed what we now call animistic faiths. It was only when societies became urbanized that monotheism began to appear, eg Atenism briefly in Egypt, as a reflection of a more organized and specialized social life. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atenism

 

 

[herbie]

We'd have some interesting Gods if they hadn't,
Sparky the God of Electricity
Oi Lee the God of Lubrication
Psi the God of Tire Pressure
Emessgee the God of Chinese food

 

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, herbie said:

Occam's razor.
It is simpler to imagine one God than many. Most religions are monotheist. They differ mostly by the name they call it and the prophet of significance.

One difference that stands out between deities can perhaps be attributed to the environment of the people who created and subscribed to them. Deities, usually males, and spiritual beliefs from deserts reflect the hasher unforgiving nature of the environments found in deserts. Contrast that with deities, usually female, and beliefs from a rainforest that reflect the nurturing abundance of the ecosystems found there. 

[herbie]

True, and in the Americas the idea of the Spirit has no gender.
The adoption of Christianity by the Romans was the start of it taking over Europe, while Islam became dominant in those desert areas. Judaism got stuck between them and the limited contact with Asia kept those ideas out of the picture until too late for them to spread.

 

[WestCanMan]

19 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I’d go simpler than that. It is at heart a tribal conflict over land similar to countless other wars. The British made things worse by opening Palestine’s borders to European refugees after passing legislation to keep them out of Britain. 

Touche, Spankster. 

But TBH, the entire muslim world only takes in a handful of muslim refugees. 

It's clear that baconally challenged people aren't very welcome in a lot of places, and they bring a lot of hate with them wherever they go. 

The muslims in Canada punch way above their weight class in terms of terrorist attacks causing death: they're about 1% of our population and account for more most of the extremist murder events here.

The Jews are far less violent by comparison, but it's just a fact that they raise tons of money over here that translates to weapons that kill muslims overseas.

When baconally challenged people get money or weapons, their counterparts and supporters of their counterparts die. And it's not just a fraction of a penny on the dollar, it's a chunk. 

 

BUT, at the end of the day, there are a lot of leaders and powerful groups in the muslim world that openly call for the extermination of Jews. Just as in their Hadiths, TBH. You can't say the same for Jewish leaders and orgs, period. The muslims are far more violent and evil, on avg.

Edited September 15, 2025 by WestCanMan

[SpankyMcFarland]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Touche, Spankster. 

But TBH, the entire muslim world only takes in a handful of muslim refugees. 

It's clear that baconally challenged people aren't very welcome in a lot of places, and they bring a lot of hate with them wherever they go. 

The muslims in Canada punch way above their weight class in terms of terrorist attacks causing death: they're about 1% of our population and account for more most of the extremist murder events here.

The Jews are far less violent by comparison, but it's just a fact that they raise tons of money over here that translates to weapons that kill muslims overseas.

When baconally challenged people get money or weapons, their counterparts and supporters of their counterparts die. And it's not just a fraction of a penny on the dollar, it's a chunk. 

 

BUT, at the end of the day, there are a lot of leaders and powerful groups in the muslim world that openly call for the extermination of Jews. Just as in their Hadiths, TBH. You can't say the same for Jewish leaders and orgs, period. The muslims are far more violent and evil, on avg.

Yes, the larger Muslim world has a crazy obsession with Jews no question and Islamic extremism has become a major factor in the feud. By contrast, one thing the local Jewish people had to learn under the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Crusaders and Turks is that one should not take one’s holy book too literally if one wanted to keep a head on one’s shoulders. Surviving as a minority is good preparation for modern urban life as the Parsees, Baha’i, Ahmadiyya and Ismaili sects have shown. 

However, I’d submit a moment from Netanyahu this very week to bolster my claim about the importance of the land in this row:

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“We are going to fulfil our promise that there will be no Palestinian state. This place belongs to us,” Netanyahu said at the event in Maale Adumim, an Israeli settlement just east of Jerusalem.

 

 

Edited September 16, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

However, I’d submit a moment from Netanyahu this very week to bolster my claim about the importance of the land in this row:

That's not Netanyahu talking about exterminating all muslims, nor even exterminating all Palestinians.

It's not even about exterminating a single Palestinian. 

So, you're right, he is just talking about land. IMO that's better than talking about killing everyone that's trying to kill him along with everyone else in Israel. 

The Israelis gave the Gazans their sovereignty and you saw what they did with it: they took all the aid money that they were given and built nothing of value.

Gaza is sitting on some of the most valuable real estate in the world, geographically speaking, and it is still just a soul-destroying pile of ugliness and hate.

[PIK]

The western left has blood on its hand also for backing hamas over the jews. This war should gave been over along time ago. Now bits of truth are finding its way out of hamas. The left has been played and should be ashamed, for allowing it. And the common denomator in the middle east is the jew. Remember Islam came along 100's yrs after the jews. I don't think the koran even mentions the palastinian. It's just a rallying cry that started in the 60's or 70's.