ICE seizes 11-year-old to force dad’s deportation — despite torture risk

[blackbird]

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President Donald Trump is trying to deport a Russian man who passed the U.S. screening process for asylum. The U.S. government has also taken away his son.

Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, a senior fellow at the American Immigration Council, posted an excerpt of a New York Times report revealing that the man fled to the United States after his wife was locked up for her political views.

Pavel Snegir and his 11-year-old son, Aleksandr, already passed the initial screening and confirmed that if Snegir is sent back to Russia, he will likely be tortured.

"But the Trump admin is still trying to deport him anyway, and has taken away his son until he agrees to be deported," wrote Reichlin-Melnick.

Snegir and his son had been in ICE custody, but in May he was taken to an airport in San Diego. He was told he could take his son to the court hearing in New York. But once they were at the airport, Snegir was scared to board the plane, convinced he was about to be deported back to Russia.

"Later that day, after the flight had left, an ICE official told him he would be separated from his son because he refused to be deported," the report said.

Snegir said he refused to give the government his child. ICE followed with threats he'd be thrown "to the ground, handcuffed and taken away if he did not relent."

He didn't move and "everything she promised happened," Snegir recalled.

His son witnessed the whole ordeal. He previously watched his mother be taken by the Russian government, too.

Now, ICE is telling Snegir that he can self-deport back to Russia, or they'll deport him anyway, without his son. They claimed he may never see his son again.

Snegir relented, but the following day, he was approved under the protection screening, which means ICE can deport him, but he can't be sent to Russia.

This week, the administration also published its guidance on birthright citizenship, which will allow ICE to enter maternity wards and demand papers from families after their infants are born. If the parents can't prove their citizenship, the government can take the newborn away from its parents and deport it to whatever country it wants, one legal analyst described.  unquote

ICE seizes 11-year-old to force dad’s deportation — despite torture risk

[Shady]

17 minutes ago, blackbird said:

quote

President Donald Trump is trying to deport a Russian man who passed the U.S. screening process for asylum. The U.S. government has also taken away his son.

Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, a senior fellow at the American Immigration Council, posted an excerpt of a New York Times report revealing that the man fled to the United States after his wife was locked up for her political views.

Pavel Snegir and his 11-year-old son, Aleksandr, already passed the initial screening and confirmed that if Snegir is sent back to Russia, he will likely be tortured.

"But the Trump admin is still trying to deport him anyway, and has taken away his son until he agrees to be deported," wrote Reichlin-Melnick.

Snegir and his son had been in ICE custody, but in May he was taken to an airport in San Diego. He was told he could take his son to the court hearing in New York. But once they were at the airport, Snegir was scared to board the plane, convinced he was about to be deported back to Russia.

"Later that day, after the flight had left, an ICE official told him he would be separated from his son because he refused to be deported," the report said.

Snegir said he refused to give the government his child. ICE followed with threats he'd be thrown "to the ground, handcuffed and taken away if he did not relent."

He didn't move and "everything she promised happened," Snegir recalled.

His son witnessed the whole ordeal. He previously watched his mother be taken by the Russian government, too.

Now, ICE is telling Snegir that he can self-deport back to Russia, or they'll deport him anyway, without his son. They claimed he may never see his son again.

Snegir relented, but the following day, he was approved under the protection screening, which means ICE can deport him, but he can't be sent to Russia.

This week, the administration also published its guidance on birthright citizenship, which will allow ICE to enter maternity wards and demand papers from families after their infants are born. If the parents can't prove their citizenship, the government can take the newborn away from its parents and deport it to whatever country it wants, one legal analyst described.  unquote

ICE seizes 11-year-old to force dad’s deportation — despite torture risk

Why would they be tortured?  Anyone can leave Russia if they want to.  There’s no need for defecting anymore.  This story doesn’t make any sense.  Regardless, I though Trump was only targeting brown people?

[robosmith]

27 minutes ago, Shady said:

Why would they be tortured?  Anyone can leave Russia if they want to.  There’s no need for defecting anymore.  This story doesn’t make any sense.  Regardless, I though Trump was only targeting brown people?

Putin tortures his political enemies and if they don't get the message they are killed like Navalny was.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

Why would they be tortured?  

"

Special Rapporteur exposes torture in Russia as a tool for repression at home and aggression abroad

29 October 2024

NEW YORK — In her first thematic report to the General Assembly, the UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Russian Federation, Mariana Katzarova, revealed the State’s complicity and encouragement of widespread and systematic torture and ill-treatment.

“Since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, torture has become a State-sanctioned tool of systematic oppression, used to control and to stifle dissent, and attack the foundations of human rights and civic space in Russia,” the UN expert said.

Key findings highlighted the lack of a distinct criminal offense of torture in Russian law, with acts of torture prosecuted as lesser offences, thus failing to provide adequate penalties commensurate with the crime of torture and redress for victims.

“Russia’s law enforcement, security services, and military employ a wide range of methods of torture, many of which have notorious names that bring horror to survivors,” said Katzarova. “They include mock executions known as “Rasstrel”, cruel beatings called “Priyomka”, rape, prolonged solitary confinement, as well as punitive psychiatry. Victims endured lengthy bouts of electric shocks to sensitive areas, including the genitals, by using a modified field military telephone known as tapik, in methods dubbed a “Call to a friend” or “Call to Putin”. These are just a few examples of torture methods aimed at inflicting severe physical and psychological pain.”

The report emphasised the impact of torture on political prisoners, human rights and anti-war activists, conscientious objectors and mobilised men, lawyers, journalists, LGBT persons, migrants and asylum seekers, Indigenous Peoples and national minorities, as well as women and girls.

“The State’s complicity in crimes against women and girls, including honour killings and female genital mutilation, entrenches the violence they face, especially in Chechnya and North Caucasus region, where such practices are common. In Chechnya, LGBT persons face extreme violence, including enforced disappearances and State-sanctioned torture in secret detention facilities. On release, their families are asked to kill them with impunity in honour killings. These practices signal the Russian State’s disregard and violation of international human rights standards,” the expert said.

Courts routinely ignore credible reports of torture, siding with perpetrators rather than upholding justice. Such unchecked impunity has “normalized” torture within Russian society, where violence is tolerated and even encouraged, following the March 2024 terrorist attack in Moscow when the suspects were shown being tortured on national television."

Special Rapporteur exposes torture in Russia as a tool for repression at home and aggression abroad | OHCHR

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Edited August 6, 2025 by blackbird

[User]

They had due process, they had orders of deportation, they refused to deport. 

Children are seperated from parents because we don't put children in detention. 

It is no different than if a parent was caught breaking the law with their children by reckless endangerment in a car, DUI, or any number of things... they don't put their children in jail with them. 

 

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, Shady said:

Why would they be tortured?  Anyone can leave Russia if they want to.  There’s no need for defecting anymore.  This story doesn’t make any sense.  Regardless, I though Trump was only targeting brown people?

Are you really this stupid, anyone who opposes Putin falls out of a window or winds up in a gulag.

That's if the poison didn't kill them first.

Edited August 6, 2025 by Aristides

[Aristides]

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This week, the administration also published its guidance on birthright citizenship, which will allow ICE to enter maternity wards and demand papers from families after their infants are born. If the parents can't prove their citizenship, the government can take the newborn away from its parents and deport it to whatever country it wants, one legal analyst described. 

And Canadian MAGA maroons go on about them living in a police state.

[User]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

And Canadian MAGA maroons go on about them living in a police state.

"one legal analyst described"

Might as well quote some random person off the street... 

 

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, User said:

"one legal analyst described"

Might as well quote some random person off the street... 

 

Yes, we should always follow your legal analysis. You seem to be an expert on everything.

[User]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Yes, we should always follow your legal analysis. You seem to be an expert on everything.

I offered no legal analysis, neither did you, neither did this random person. 

That was the point. 

 

[Shady]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

Putin tortures his political enemies and if they don't get the message they are killed like Navalny was.

How are they his political enemies?  They’re nobody’s.

41 minutes ago, User said:

They had due process, they had orders of deportation, they refused to deport. 

Children are seperated from parents because we don't put children in detention. 

It is no different than if a parent was caught breaking the law with their children by reckless endangerment in a car, DUI, or any number of things... they don't put their children in jail with them. 

 

Bingo.

[Shady]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

"

Special Rapporteur exposes torture in Russia as a tool for repression at home and aggression abroad

29 October 2024

NEW YORK — In her first thematic report to the General Assembly, the UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Russian Federation, Mariana Katzarova, revealed the State’s complicity and encouragement of widespread and systematic torture and ill-treatment.

“Since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, torture has become a State-sanctioned tool of systematic oppression, used to control and to stifle dissent, and attack the foundations of human rights and civic space in Russia,” the UN expert said.

Key findings highlighted the lack of a distinct criminal offense of torture in Russian law, with acts of torture prosecuted as lesser offences, thus failing to provide adequate penalties commensurate with the crime of torture and redress for victims.

“Russia’s law enforcement, security services, and military employ a wide range of methods of torture, many of which have notorious names that bring horror to survivors,” said Katzarova. “They include mock executions known as “Rasstrel”, cruel beatings called “Priyomka”, rape, prolonged solitary confinement, as well as punitive psychiatry. Victims endured lengthy bouts of electric shocks to sensitive areas, including the genitals, by using a modified field military telephone known as tapik, in methods dubbed a “Call to a friend” or “Call to Putin”. These are just a few examples of torture methods aimed at inflicting severe physical and psychological pain.”

The report emphasised the impact of torture on political prisoners, human rights and anti-war activists, conscientious objectors and mobilised men, lawyers, journalists, LGBT persons, migrants and asylum seekers, Indigenous Peoples and national minorities, as well as women and girls.

“The State’s complicity in crimes against women and girls, including honour killings and female genital mutilation, entrenches the violence they face, especially in Chechnya and North Caucasus region, where such practices are common. In Chechnya, LGBT persons face extreme violence, including enforced disappearances and State-sanctioned torture in secret detention facilities. On release, their families are asked to kill them with impunity in honour killings. These practices signal the Russian State’s disregard and violation of international human rights standards,” the expert said.

Courts routinely ignore credible reports of torture, siding with perpetrators rather than upholding justice. Such unchecked impunity has “normalized” torture within Russian society, where violence is tolerated and even encouraged, following the March 2024 terrorist attack in Moscow when the suspects were shown being tortured on national television."

Special Rapporteur exposes torture in Russia as a tool for repression at home and aggression abroad | OHCHR

It is very difficult for a Russian dissident to immigate to another country.

Russian anti-war activists reveal what it's like being 'de facto stateless' | News World | Metro News

Russia’s sick torture of Ukrainian POWs — including shocks to genitals, beatings, amputations — laid bare in ICC testimony

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They’re just randos with no significance at all, and regardless, you don’t need permission to leave Russia.  Defecting isn’t necessary.  They could have applied for citizenship anywhere the proper way and Putin wouldn’t have given a crap because he has no idea who they are.

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, Shady said:

How are they his political enemies?  They’re nobody’s.

Bingo.

He fled Russia with his son because his wife had been locked up for her political views. Read much?

Bottom line, if you are fleeing political persecution, don't go to the US. 

Edited August 6, 2025 by Aristides

[gatomontes99]

Here is the thing. Let's say everything in the OP is true. Then that wouldn't be good. The problem is, I just got done reading a different "ICE is bad" thread where the OP quoted a Democratic created report that omitted that most of the problems they listed were caused by inmates while implying ICE was sexually assaulting prisoners. So, you will have to forgive me if, in light of that and Russia gate, I don't believe a damn thing a democrat says. 

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

He fled Russia with his son because his wife had been locked up for her political views. Read much?

Yeah, I'd bet it is bullshit. 

 

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Bottom line, if you are fleeing political persecution, don't go to the US. 

Ok. 

[blackbird]

14 minutes ago, Shady said:

They could have applied for citizenship anywhere the proper way

Did you bother to read the article?  He applied for asylum in the U.S. and passed through the screening process.  So he did apply the proper way.  Why can't you understand a simple article?

 

4 hours ago, Shady said:

This story doesn’t make any sense.

Nothing complicated about it, unless you have problems comprehending a simple article.

[Aristides]

22 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

 

 

Ok. 

Yup

[blackbird]

50 minutes ago, Shady said:

They’re just randos with no significance at all, and regardless, you don’t need permission to leave Russia.  Defecting isn’t necessary.  They could have applied for citizenship anywhere the proper way and Putin wouldn’t have given a crap because he has no idea who they are.

Are you dense?  The article says clearly his wife was locked up for her political views.  There is no freedom or justice system in Russia.  Obviously he believed he could be next to be arrested and possibly tortured and had to flee from Russia.  He did apply for asylum in the U.S. and cleared the screening process.

Now ICE is arresting many who are not American citizens and deporting them.  ICE apparently are almost all private contractors and they must be getting paid according to the number of people they arrest and deport.

He has a legitimate fear about going back to Russia.  How is it you don't understand that?   He came to America to escape being imprisoned and possibly losing his son in the first place.  That should not be too difficult to understand.

Do you even bother to read articles and understand them before commenting?  I don't think so.

Edited August 6, 2025 by blackbird

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

How are they his political enemies?  They’re nobody’s.

Like Navalny, they gain a following  with speeches and revelations about Putin's KLEPTOCRACY.

You know, PICTURES of Putin's and his oligarchs' palaces and dachas.

You never heard about that? LMAO

Edited August 6, 2025 by robosmith

[herbie]

In Trump's USA all immigrant children get TWO Christmas presents.
One for each parent they turn in to ICE.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

In Trump's USA all immigrant children get TWO Christmas presents.
One for each parent they turn in to ICE.

Sounds like Stalin.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, User said:

They had due process, they had orders of deportation, they refused to deport. 

Children are seperated from parents because we don't put children in detention. 

It is no different than if a parent was caught breaking the law with their children by reckless endangerment in a car, DUI, or any number of things... they don't put their children in jail with them. 

Your deportation Czar say there would no need to break up families or take away kids, you could just deport them too.

[User]

53 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Your deportation Czar say there would no need to break up families or take away kids, you could just deport them too.

Thanks for posting something that has nothing to do with anything here. 

1 hour ago, herbie said:

In Trump's USA all immigrant children get TWO Christmas presents.
One for each parent they turn in to ICE.

Why isn't your country opening the borders for these people?

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, User said:

Thanks for posting something that has nothing to do with anything here. 

 Just run away why don't you? 

[User]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

 Just run away why don't you? 

From what?

[Deluge]

16 hours ago, blackbird said:

President Donald Trump is trying to deport a Russian man who passed the U.S. screening process for asylum.

He broke into the country in the first place, so all bets are off. 

Do it the right way, or don't do it at all.