EU Trade Deal

[Boges]

21 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Well says there on the tweet those are the terms. I don't think there's much of a choice, you can either balk at being the same and equal to the quebecois or become Haiti. Your patchwork of hatred is not sustainable , you're all aging into obsolescence.

States have districts and you get to allocate a larger portion of the electoral college as the second largest state. 

Canada is simply not being annexed by the US unless it's done under military force. 

And doing that would tell the world exactly the time of fascist imperialistic regime the US would have become. 

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, Boges said:

Canada is simply not being annexed by the US unless it's done under military force. 

And doing that would tell the world exactly the time of fascist imperialistic regime the US would have become. 

They tried, didn't work out well. Wouldn't work out any better this time.

[paxamericana]

33 minutes ago, Boges said:

Canada is simply not being annexed

I don’t think Canada realizes how much leverage the United States has to make that happen. 

Tariff is just one of the many tools in the tool bag. But all this is to say that you should get over this idea of Canada being a sovereign country. It simply has never been an independent nation. America has been paying for you to stay as a cohesive country until now. Before then it was the British empire.

If I was interested in conquering Canada which I am, I would annex Alberta first, split the country into two cutting off your oil access then I would back the Quebec secessionist and forcing the Ontario to capitulate as they would be completely cutoff from the sea and land. All without a shot fired.

 

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They tried, didn't work out well. Wouldn't work out any better this time.

By the way, it wasn’t Canada that burnt the White House, it was the Brits stationed in Canada. Need to get your history lessons from the unbiased source. 

Edited July 28, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

I don’t think Canada realizes how much leverage the United States has to make that happen. 

They do. You severely overestimate that leverage.

 

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By the way, it wasn’t Canada that burnt the White House, it was the Brits stationed in Canada. Need to get your history lessons from the unbiased source. 

It was Canada. Everybody in the territories was a British citizen at that point, Canada hadn't formally organized into a country yet and we're just a series of British territories so the vast majority of people living in Canada were British. But the British forces were made up of British regulars and british volunteers, but they were all Canadian

Don't make us do it again

[gatomontes99]

As more comes out about the deal:

$1.3T in new investments in the US

15% tariff on all EU imports

Opened the market to US made cars and eliminated tariffs on those cars

And the big one: EU will buy US LNG in lieu of Russian gas. That could help end the war in Ukraine. 

[paxamericana]

24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Don't make us do it again

My wet dream. Canadians attacking the US. 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

My wet dream. Canadians attacking the US. 

Yeah that's basically what they said last time

Go ask the germans about it. The germans hated the British in the american forces, but they feared the Canadians. We are the nicest people in the world right up until we aren't. Then we're the devil.

[paxamericana]

43 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

We are the nicest people in the world

My American translation says NATO deadbeat. 

[gatomontes99]

Brandon is usually pretty good. Sometimes he's great. But this was another level. 

 

[Aristides]

I really don't see much of a market for US cars in Europe. They will sell a few more but not that many. Not only do they not build vehicles Europeans want (not much of a market for full size pickups) Trump tariffing the crap out of the materials required to build them sure won't help them compete on price.

[Aristides]

One more thing. While the agreement can be implemented provisionally, it doesn't become official until it is ratified by every EU member, which could be years or not at all. Meaning the EU isn't really binding itself to anything until that happens.

Canada's agreement was implemented provisionally in 2017 but still hasn't been ratified by every member so the EU could back out at any time.

Edited July 31, 2025 by Aristides

[Boges]

Today Trump posted that Carney's decision to recognize Palestinian statehood will make a trade deal difficult. 

As if most of Europe won't do the same. 

More evidence that Trump is not considering public safety for these tariffs, they're completely ideological. 

[Legato]

34 minutes ago, Boges said:

Today Trump posted that Carney's decision to recognize Palestinian statehood will make a trade deal difficult. 

As if most of Europe won't do the same. 

More evidence that Trump is not considering public safety for these tariffs, they're completely ideological. 

That was a convoluted example of ct's.

How do you go from Palestine to tariffs to public safety and then ideology?

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Today Trump posted that Carney's decision to recognize Palestinian statehood will make a trade deal difficult. 

As if most of Europe won't do the same. 

More evidence that Trump is not considering public safety for these tariffs, they're completely ideological. 

Recognizing a terrorist group as an official country is pretty stupid.

[Boges]

5 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Recognizing a terrorist group as an official country is pretty stupid.

A Palestinian state is not a terrorist organization. 

[Nationalist]

Canada is not being annexed by the US. They'd have to deal with Quebec and nobody really wants that mess.

Contrary to popular Libbie howling, and much to their chagrin, Trump's plans are working.

[Deluge]

On 7/27/2025 at 5:44 PM, herbie said:

You mean lower their standards. No they won't, but they'll allow the 12 US built cars you sell in the EU to not meet theirs.

Yes, herpes does have a point here. His dumbf*ck secret lovers, the democrats, have been slowly choking the life out of the auto industry here, but I believe we'll bounce back. Once we purge the democrat party of its woke infection and TDS, the US auto industry will be on top.  

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

Today Trump posted that Carney's decision to recognize Palestinian statehood will make a trade deal difficult. 

As if most of Europe won't do the same. 

More evidence that Trump is not considering public safety for these tariffs, they're completely ideological. 

And? 

Will that knowledge change anything anywhere?  No?

 Then maybe we should be conducting our selves and our negotiations appropriately and NOT effing around with palestine till AFTER the negotiations!!!!! 

Carney is the WORST negotiator on the PLANET! EVERYONE could have guessed this was going to p*ss trump off for no benefit, and to do it on the evening of the new tariff deadline....  that's like olympic levels of stupid. 

[Boges]

Just now, CdnFox said:

And? 

Will that knowledge change anything anywhere?  No?

 Then maybe we should be conducting our selves and our negotiations appropriately and NOT effing around with palestine till AFTER the negotiations!!!!! 

Carney is the WORST negotiator on the PLANET! EVERYONE could have guessed this was going to p*ss trump off for no benefit, and to do it on the evening of the new tariff deadline....  that's like olympic levels of stupid. 

He just broke bread with Starmer and he did the same thing. It looks like the entire Western world, short of the US is looking to call Israel out for their treatment of Palestine. 

Would a deal similar to what the EU "agreed" to satisfy you? 

These announcements Trump is making aren't even really deals. They're just new tariff numbers and stretch goals for foreign investment. 

[CdnFox]

Just now, Boges said:

He just broke bread with Starmer and he did the same thing. It looks like the entire Western world, short of the US is looking to call Israel out for their treatment of Palestine. 

Starmer already has a deal. Stormer isn't about to watch their economy trash into the ground because of the whims of Donald Trump.

And Carney who is the consummate boot licker is doing what Europe is telling him because that's where his heart has been for the last 15 years or so. The very first thing he did when he was appointed to be prime minister (before being elected) was run over to europe to show off his robes and party a bit. 

This is going to wind up shooting us in the foot, Why the hell is he selling out Canada to give some fake credentials to a bunch of terrorists? Trying to shore up the terrorist vote here in Canada again?

What about our own people who are now going to suffer as a result of this because trump will be less likely to do a deal? Why doesn't he care about them

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

These announcements Trump is making aren't even really deals. They're just new tariff numbers and stretch goals for foreign investment. 

The new tariff numbers are all lower! It brings an element of stability, it allows people to invest with at least some confidence, and it sets the rate at something that the countries can live with.

We don't have that. Our steel industry and our aluminum industry and our forestry industry and our copper and a few others are about to get wiped out and they represent huge portions of our economy. That will drag down every other sector of our economy.

Go search the internet find me a single economist who says that these higher tariff rates are going to be good for Canada

You people are far worse than maga, you will follow your dear leader right into the ground and watch Canada burn. But he'll always be able to leave and will have millions of dollars in 'thank you' board positions to keep him happy. 

 

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The new tariff numbers are all lower! It brings an element of stability, it allows people to invest with at least some confidence, and it sets the rate at something that the countries can live with

15% is not lower than 0%. Even if this deadline passes without a deal. A majority of Canadian exports still fall under the USMCA. 

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We don't have that. Our steel industry and our aluminum industry and our forestry industry and our copper and a few others are about to get wiped out and they represent huge portions of our economy. That will drag down every other sector of our economy.

None of these "deals" have had those tariffs removed. These tariffs aren't targeted they're on all imports from any country. 

 

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Go search the internet find me a single economist who says that these higher tariff rates are going to be good for Canada

I think the consensus is that no deal is better than a bad deal.  

 

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You people are far worse than maga, you will follow your dear leader right into the ground and watch Canada burn. But he'll always be able to leave and will have millions of dollars in 'thank you' board positions to keep him happy. 

He's been leader for all of three months. But Ok. 

 

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, Boges said:

15% is not lower than 0%.

 

It's lower than 30.

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Even if this deadline passes without a deal. A majority of Canadian exports still fall under the USMCA. 

And number but not necessarily dollars. Ontario cannot afford to have his auto industry wiped out. It cannot afford to lose its steel industry. Losing its copper would be devastating. And our forestry Industries cannot take the hit, it will cause many mills to close down and investment to flee.

And all of that trickles down to the rest of the economy. We will go into a strong recession, there's no avoiding it if those tariffs come into place.

Do you notice how there's not a lot of economists running around saying what a great thing it'll be for Canada to have tariffs?

And then NAFTA comes up to negotiation next in 2026. And if this deal has gone badly how do you think that's going to go? What do you think's going to happen to our supply management? Do you think some items may be taken out of NAFTA and subject to tariffs?

If you're trying to delude yourself into thinking that things are going good for us right now you need to smack your head on something hard and wake up. We are in trouble and carney is not helping

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, Boges said:

He's been leader for all of three months. But Ok. 

 

He's been part of the liberal government since 2020, and has made millions doing so. Now that he's prime minister he has doubled the amount of money we spend on independent consultants almost all of whom are single sourced. In other words he's funneling billions of dollars into the hands of his buddies. They will repay him when he gets out, that's how this works.

And you're just fine with that. Thanks to the liberals of which he was a big part the average Canadian can barely afford food in a house and the younger generation won't even be able to afford that and the IMF says that we're going to underperform for the next 40 years at least and their assessments are getting worse.

Now carney is going to drive us into a recession through his bad negotiations and things will get worse again

And you're cheering and clapping for these people. While the number of Canadian homeless skyrockets

[Boges]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It's lower than 30.

And number but not necessarily dollars. Ontario cannot afford to have his auto industry wiped out. It cannot afford to lose its steel industry. Losing its copper would be devastating. And our forestry Industries cannot take the hit, it will cause many mills to close down and investment to flee.

Those are under different tariffs Trump hasn't carved out of any of the deals he's made so far. I'm sure this is what Carney and team is pushing for but it may not come off because Trump is that dumb. 

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And all of that trickles down to the rest of the economy. We will go into a strong recession, there's no avoiding it if those tariffs come into place.

Do you notice how there's not a lot of economists running around saying what a great thing it'll be for Canada to have tariffs?

 

No Shit. But that's what the idea the US elected wants to do. I'm curious how you think PP would have strong-armed Trump to drop his Tariff obsession. 

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And then NAFTA comes up to negotiation next in 2026. And if this deal has gone badly how do you think that's going to go? What do you think's going to happen to our supply management? Do you think some items may be taken out of NAFTA and subject to tariffs?

I've mentioned this, but I suspect Trump will be in a much different political position in a year and far less able to simply do away with the USMCA. 

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If you're trying to delude yourself into thinking that things are going good for us right now you need to smack your head on something hard and wake up. We are in trouble and carney is not helping

I am not suggesting such a thing. These are very uncertain times for Canada. I just think that, at this point, no deal is better than agreeing to one of these embarrassing "deals" the likes of the EU, UK and Japan have "agreed" to. It seems, for now, Trump is sticking with the USMCA. I think these Steel and Auto tariffs will end up hurting the US as much as it hurts Canada. 

I all that in quotes because I don't think any of the terms have actually been put in writing beyond a crazy social media screed from Trump. 

Edited July 31, 2025 by Boges

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Those are under different tariffs Trump hasn't carved out of any of the deals he's made so far. I'm sure this is what Carney and team is pushing for but it may not come off because Trump is that dumb. 

It has nothing to do with whether or not trump is that dumb.It's Carney's job to find a way to make it happen. Trump is fairly easy to manipulate if you know what you're doing in your talented. But carney has been blowing it since day one and now we're getting tariffs at a rate that's exceptionally High

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No Shit. But that's what the idea the US elected wants to do. I'm curious how you think PP would have strong-armed Trump to drop his Tariff obsession. 

There are several ways he could have made that happen a lot better. Virtually every other country has managed IT. And I could sit here and explain it to you but then you would turn around and claim that for some reason you don't think it would work. But here's the bottom line, Carney said he could do it. He said that he knew how to handle trump, and he said he could deal with the guy. He knows the guy, he already deals with the kushners, etc.  He's the super incredible international banker that knows how to handle businessmen. 

I pointed out during the election that this is a job for politicians. But, you and your kind insisted carney was telling the truth and he was the best choice. 

And he's failing completely. Others are doing better, he's doing worse. 

 

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I've mentioned this, but I suspect Trump will be in a much different political position in a year and far less able to simply do away with the USMCA. 

We'll be in a worse position too. If these tariffs stick we will officially be in a recession. This hasn't hit canada TOO hard yet but it will shortly.

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I am not suggesting such a thing. These are very uncertain times for Canada. I just think that, at this point, no deal is better than agreeing to one of these embarrassing "deals" the likes of the EU, UK and Japan have "agreed" to. It seems, for now, Trump is sticking with the USMCA. I think these Steel and Auto tariffs will end up hurting the US as much as it hurts Canada. 

That doesn't really help us.

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I all that in quotes because I don't think any of the terms have actually been put in writing beyond a crazy social media screed from Trump. 

It's easy to dismiss what others have gotten when you haven't got anything. Obviously carney is out there hoping to get one of these deals that you're poo pooing as being useless and putting a lot of energy into it so obviously he thinks they have some value Even if you don't.

No matter how you want to spend it we are failing. Carney is failing. Canada is going to suffer for his failure. And the liberal party which carney has been an active participant in for the last 5 years are the ones that left us in this weekend state in the first place.

Carney's going to wind up having to run 100 billion dollar deficits while at the same time cutting services because of his failures, and that has permanent long term consequences. 

Are you getting this yet? Are you at least beginning to see how badly he's letting us down? We're going to be screwed.