EU Trade Deal

[Boges]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It has nothing to do with whether or not trump is that dumb.It's Carney's job to find a way to make it happen. Trump is fairly easy to manipulate if you know what you're doing in your talented. But carney has been blowing it since day one and now we're getting tariffs at a rate that's exceptionally High

There are several ways he could have made that happen a lot better. Virtually every other country has managed IT. And I could sit here and explain it to you but then you would turn around and claim that for some reason you don't think it would work. But here's the bottom line, Carney said he could do it. He said that he knew how to handle trump, and he said he could deal with the guy. He knows the guy, he already deals with the kushners, etc.  He's the super incredible international banker that knows how to handle businessmen. 

I pointed out during the election that this is a job for politicians. But, you and your kind insisted carney was telling the truth and he was the best choice. 

And he's failing completely. Others are doing better, he's doing worse. 

 

We'll be in a worse position too. If these tariffs stick we will officially be in a recession. This hasn't hit canada TOO hard yet but it will shortly.

That doesn't really help us.

It's easy to dismiss what others have gotten when you haven't got anything. Obviously carney is out there hoping to get one of these deals that you're poo pooing as being useless and putting a lot of energy into it so obviously he thinks they have some value Even if you don't.

No matter how you want to spend it we are failing. Carney is failing. Canada is going to suffer for his failure. And the liberal party which carney has been an active participant in for the last 5 years are the ones that left us in this weekend state in the first place.

Carney's going to wind up having to run 100 billion dollar deficits while at the same time cutting services because of his failures, and that has permanent long term consequences. 

Are you getting this yet? Are you at least beginning to see how badly he's letting us down? We're going to be screwed.

So just to be clear. You would be OK with us agreeing to a 15% tariff, doing away with the USMCA and not touching the Auto, Steel and Aluminum tariffs the entire world is subject to and agreeing not to implement any counter tariffs or trade barriers on the US? 

That's akin to cutting a deal today inorder to avoid the 35% threatened tariffs that aren't covered by the USMCA. If it looked like the UK, EU and Japan's "deal". 

I'd be more comfortable with the status quo, if I'm being honest. 

I know you think Carney should be able to do what WE WANT him to to. But perhaps Trump is just obstinate and won't back off on these tariffs until the lag indicators prove they've done what we expect they will. We see that the Big 3's profits have been erased due to tariffs. Trump's cutting off his country's nose to spite its face. 

What I want Carney to do is bolster Canada's portfolio so we don't have to worry about what the US wants from us. 

[gatomontes99]

5 hours ago, Boges said:

A Palestinian state is not a terrorist organization. 

Tell that to the kids playing in underground bunkers that cant have playgrounds above ground because the terrorists keep shooting rockets at them or might parachute in to kill them just because it's Wednesday.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Boges said:

So just to be clear. You would be OK with us agreeing to a 15% tariff, doing away with the USMCA and not touching the Auto, Steel and Aluminum tariffs the entire world is subject to and agreeing not to implement any counter tariffs or trade barriers on the US? 

That's akin to cutting a deal today inorder to avoid the 35% threatened tariffs that aren't covered by the USMCA. If it looked like the UK, EU and Japan's "deal". 

I'd be more comfortable with the status quo, if I'm being honest. 

I know you think Carney should be able to do what WE WANT him to to. But perhaps Trump is just obstinate and won't back off on these tariffs until the lag indicators prove they've done what we expect they will. We see that the Big 3's profits have been erased due to tariffs. Trump's cutting off his country's nose to spite its face. 

 

So just to be clear, rather than address my points you're going to make up a bunch of stuff I never said or claimed and argue with that instead because you realize you were wrong.

That's akin to being a twat.

And the status quo buries us. We cannot afford the current status as it will be on August 1. 

Now did you feel like addressing my points or are you going to continue to pretend carney is doing a great job with these negotiations?

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What I want Carney to do is bolster Canada's portfolio so we don't have to worry about what the US wants from us. 

Well he's failing there as well isn't he.  He promised an end to interprovincial trade barriers by July - the vast majority are still in place and appear to be staying there. He said he wanted pipeline projects but kept the bill that prevents them and managed to p*ss off the first nations who will now be fighting anything proposed. 

And he's spending us into oblivion so we're not going to be getting a lot of investment. 

So where's this new 'portfolio' activity coming from? 

 

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Now did you feel like addressing my points or are you going to continue to pretend carney is doing a great job with these negotiations?

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There are several ways he could have made that happen a lot better. Virtually every other country has managed IT. And I could sit here and explain it to you but then you would turn around and claim that for some reason you don't think it would work. But here's the bottom line, Carney said he could do it. He said that he knew how to handle trump, and he said he could deal with the guy. He knows the guy, he already deals with the kushners, etc.  He's the super incredible international banker that knows how to handle businessmen. 

Managed what? folding to Trump by agreeing to baseline tariffs and not getting industry tariffs to be taken off? 

Cite where Carney said they convince Trump not to be a reckless baffoon? 

The fact the the US is sticking to the USMCA is a big advantage because it keep much of our goods tariff free. 

Carney is not negotiating in public. So you have no flipping clue what he's saying or doing. 

I'm just saying to you, I'm glad we haven't seen Carney fold like a cheap tent like Japan, EU, UK and Korea have. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Managed what? folding to Trump by agreeing to baseline tariffs and not getting industry tariffs to be taken off? 

By having their tariffs reduced and a stable agreement in place you mean? Or are you claiming that Carney will be able to get our baseline tariffs removed? Because he says he can't. 

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Cite where Carney said they convince Trump not to be a reckless baffoon? 

What? Speak english boy.

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The fact the the US is sticking to the USMCA is a big advantage because it keep much of our goods tariff free. 

That's nice but that's not Carney's doing.  And we're stuck with 30 percent tariffs on the rest if we don't come up with something by tomorrow, and worse on our steel and other critical sectors.

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Carney is not negotiating in public. So you have no flipping clue what he's saying or doing. 

I know exactly what he's doing. Failing. 

He said he'd have a deal before the g7. Then at the G7.  Then after the g7. Then by September 20. Then by August 1. 

He's given into trump a half dozen times now, giving trump whatever he's asked for and getting nothing at all in return. 

Trump is INCREASING tariffs on us.  We are doing WORSE as the negotiations go on. 

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I'm just saying to you, I'm glad we haven't seen Carney fold like a cheap tent like Japan, EU, UK and Korea have. 

You think we're going to get away without having tariffs? You think we're not going to wind up taking a similar deal?

We're ALREADY being crippled. He has ALREADY failed.  And in the end we're probably going to wind up having a deal very similar to everyone else's outside of the USMCA stuff which we already had before this started. in which case what was the point of suffering through these heavier tariffs?

We have already agreed to over 100 billion in new spending and tax breaks -  england got to keep their DST btw-  and we're getting tariffed to death. Explain how this is anything OTHER than a loss for us?

If this ends with us having tariffs in place at a similar level as other countries outside the usmca agreement with no extra benefits, will you at that point admit he's failed completely? 

 

[CdnFox]

Well here we go, 

https://x.com/Tablesalt13/status/1951026741214060719

So it's 35 percent tariffs, the americans are calling carney 'tone deaf' and carney is trashing the rest of the economy to protect supply management because he knows it'll cost him quebec and screw the rest of us. 

This guy is the WORST NEGOTIATOR IN HISTORY!

Ya happy now? What will he have to do before you admit he's no good at the job?!?!

[paxamericana]

6 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Tell that to the kids playing in underground bunkers that cant have playgrounds above ground because the terrorists keep shooting rockets at them or might parachute in to kill them just because it's Wednesday.

Hamas school education consist of killing one Jew plus another Jew equals two Jews.

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well here we go, 

https://x.com/Tablesalt13/status/1951026741214060719

So it's 35 percent tariffs, the americans are calling carney 'tone deaf' and carney is trashing the rest of the economy to protect supply management because he knows it'll cost him quebec and screw the rest of us. 

This guy is the WORST NEGOTIATOR IN HISTORY!

Ya happy now? What will he have to do before you admit he's no good at the job?!?!

You are just pissed because Carney won't bend the knee to Trump, which is what you really want so you can shit on him for doing it.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

You are just pissed because Carney won't bend the knee to Trump,

He already bended his knee to trump. He canceled the digital services tax, he boosted military spending, then he boosted military spending again, he cut a reciprocal tariffs to nothing, he got forward to back off on his provincial tariffs, he got the provinces to put American booze back on the shelves, 

He gushed over trump at the G7 saying that the G7 couldn't possibly function without trump's guidance

And we never got anything for this, in fact trump has increased the tariffs substantially. So we've given up tons and got nothing

He's already hit the ground with his knees so hard I'm a little worried that he'll never be able to get back up again

It's because he's shown such weakness and caved so many times that trump is bending him over the table now, which is exactly what I predicted when he canceled the DST without getting anything for it.

 

[gatomontes99]

You know, everyone plays that game "If I could go back in time" and someone always says they'd kill Hitler. Right now, there are a lot of Hitlers and the left is absolutely trying to save them. Let's be clear, the Iranian regime and the Palestinian leadership want nothing else out of their existence than to kill jews. Thats all they want. There is nothing else in life for them. Why wont the left condone stopping that?

 

Edited August 1, 2025 by gatomontes99

[Aristides]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

He already bended his knee to trump. He canceled the digital services tax, he boosted military spending, then he boosted military spending again, he cut a reciprocal tariffs to nothing, he got forward to back off on his provincial tariffs, he got the provinces to put American booze back on the shelves, 

He gushed over trump at the G7 saying that the G7 couldn't possibly function without trump's guidance

And we never got anything for this, in fact trump has increased the tariffs substantially. So we've given up tons and got nothing

He's already hit the ground with his knees so hard I'm a little worried that he'll never be able to get back up again

It's because he's shown such weakness and caved so many times that trump is bending him over the table now, which is exactly what I predicted when he canceled the DST without getting anything for it.

 

You are so transparent it's pathetic. 

[Legato]

30 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You are so transparent it's pathetic. 

So you made no attempt refute any of the points and instead replied with a derogatory statement

That's a much better definition of pathetic.

You are just pissed because the Carney showed his true form, again. Trump walked all over him, again.

He always seems to snatch first place in the losing race.

[Boges]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

He already bended his knee to trump. He canceled the digital services tax, he boosted military spending, then he boosted military spending again, he cut a reciprocal tariffs to nothing, he got forward to back off on his provincial tariffs, he got the provinces to put American booze back on the shelves, 

He gushed over trump at the G7 saying that the G7 couldn't possibly function without trump's guidance

And we never got anything for this, in fact trump has increased the tariffs substantially. So we've given up tons and got nothing

He's already hit the ground with his knees so hard I'm a little worried that he'll never be able to get back up again

It's because he's shown such weakness and caved so many times that trump is bending him over the table now, which is exactly what I predicted when he canceled the DST without getting anything for it.

 

Why should he have to raise taxes on Canadians to make a point. Canadians are already boycotting American goods. 

Again this 35% is just a headline. What major goods are not USMCA compliant?!?!?!? 

The 50% on Steel, Aluminum and Copper are worldwide, none of these fake deals Trump made remove any of those tariffs. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

You are so transparent it's pathetic. 

I'm sure that's what you tell yourself when you cry yourself to sleep thinking about how horrible the guy you stood up for is doing.

And yes, it's true that facts are fairly transparent. Everything i've said is easily verifiably true. 

And now you're butthurt because it turns out that I  and many like me were 100 percent correct when we said  A BANKER IS NOT A GODDAMN POLITICIAN, AND WE NEED POLITICIANS TO DEAL WITH TRUMP!!!!

At this point in time the banks have all said that if the terrorists remain in place for any length of time at all then we're going to be into a recession.

And now carney, who's already racking up 100 billion dollars in deficit which we cannot afford any way you look at it, is going to have to borrow more money to cover the industries which are about to get slaughtered including Automotive, steel, copper, lumber, etc

And the only way out of it is to give up supply management, which he can't do because it will cost him Quebec.

We are screwed and it's because of Dumb twats like you who put their ideology ahead of their common sense and voted in a government that has already spent the last 10 years trashing our country.

And somehow you want it to be my fault.

You're an ignorant pig who's blind obsession to your political cult has helped to destroy our country for at least the next 40 years (according to the IMF)

[Aristides]

Geeze, out of one side of your mouth you go on about how screwed we are and out of the other telling paxamericana it would be a blood bath for Americans if they invaded. It’s no wonder he laughs his ass of at you.

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Geeze, out of one side of your mouth you go on about how screwed we are and out of the other telling paxamericana it would be a blood bath for Americans if they invaded.

How are the two related in your mind? What is a statement about our economic circumstances and the other is a comment on the likelihood of guerrilla warfare creating violent instability over Time.

I can just picture you as a young child and your quizzical look as they played the "One of these things is not like the other" song

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It’s no wonder he laughs his ass of at you.

Uh huh.  

Well it's the long weekend, i guess you're allowed to drink if you want. 

[Aristides]

On 8/1/2025 at 6:21 AM, Boges said:

Why should he have to raise taxes on Canadians to make a point. Canadians are already boycotting American goods. 

Again this 35% is just a headline. What major goods are not USMCA compliant?!?!?!? 

The 50% on Steel, Aluminum and Copper are worldwide, none of these fake deals Trump made remove any of those tariffs. 

Trump wants manufacturing to return to the US so he charges a 50% tariff on the materials required to make them. Stable Genius at work.

[CdnFox]

47 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Trump wants manufacturing to return to the US so he charges a 50% tariff on the materials required to make them. Stable Genius at work.

He wants mining and resources to go up in the states too.

But also he wants us weaker so that we have to accept a worse deal. Which appears to be the way things are going

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

He wants mining and resources to go up in the states too.

But also he wants us weaker so that we have to accept a worse deal. Which appears to be the way things are going

So what if they can’t turn it into usable metals at competitive prices. The reason they import most of their aluminum is they don’t have the large amounts of cheap electricity needed to produce it. Also, the US must import the bauxite to produce it.

Edited August 2, 2025 by Aristides

[herbie]

Trade Deal means you remove tariffs and barriers between the partners. Donnie Dumdum has redefined the very word and his collaborators convinced you m0rons to believe it.

[gatomontes99]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So what if they can’t turn it into usable metals at competitive prices. The reason they import most of their aluminum is they don’t have the large amounts of cheap electricity needed to produce it.

And that is the fault of Democrats. They refuse to allow cheaper nuclear or coal powered plants.

[Aristides]

16 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

And that is the fault of Democrats. They refuse to allow cheaper nuclear or coal powered plants.

Hydro is a third of the cost of nuclear or coal.

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, herbie said:

Trade Deal means you remove tariffs and barriers between the partners. Donnie Dumdum has redefined the very word and his collaborators convinced you m0rons to believe it.

Herbie! it's all up to you bud, whip out that magic credit card of yours and triple our trade value!!!    

[gatomontes99]

28 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Hydro is a third of the cost of nuclear or coal.

Hydro isn't practical given the regulations for water flow. 

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Hydro isn't practical given the regulations for water flow. 

It’s the reason you buy over 40% of your aluminum from Canada alone.