What do you think about " Canada promises to spend 5% of GDP on defence by 2035 in pact with NATO leaders "?

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Don't forget about him not updating you daily on the trade negotiation conversations and embellishing that he listen to ACDC during Jr hockey warm ups.  I'm surprised the nation isn't in an absolute uproar over this....

I think I said it earlier...?  But f*ck, you are stunned.....

Why do you keep talking about Thunderstruck, stunned f-tard? 

Can you at least tell us all what that's about, or is it a cultist secret? 

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOLOL  I literally just had to explain that to you. You were the one that was unable to understand that concept that if the percentage stays the same the numbers are going to change. Congratulations, I'm happy you now understand this concept even though you're pretending to explain it to me after you just learned it    

Yes. Which is why your claim that maybe will be doing better in the future doesn't make any sense. If we are doing better then we are still going to have to pay a higher amount of money so the fact that we're doing better will not help us because it would still be that much in new spending

What kind of Twat needs this explain to them and then turns around and pretends they're explaining it to someone else   I love that you're doubling down on the stupid

It takes about 5 minutes to see the level of stupid that you've got going on. It's not hard to extrapolate the rest. Go read my sig line  

 

So let's recap. As I said initially it doesn't matter if we're doing better or worse, this scales with us. So it's unaffordability is going to be the same no matter what happens.

And we can't afford it. The only way we could possibly afford it other than borrowing insane amounts of money would be to Massively slash a lot of programs that are extremely popular with people on the left. I'm probably a number of them that are popular even with those on the right. 100 billion dollars and you spending, not total spending mind you but new spending, is just not something we're going to be able to put on the table in the next 5 years

So what that leads me to believe is we're going to not achieve what he's promising. And that has problems.

Now can you stop pretending that the stuff I just taught you 5 minutes ago is actually something you're trying to teach me and address that issue? You've been dodging it like a madman so far

lol... f*ck you're hopeless 😂  I highly doubt you can teach me anything except stupidity, which I have no interest in.  If I do I'll just read yours or westcanman's posts if I want a laugh and dose of stupid.

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

 if I want a dose of stupid.

You're maxed out on stupidity, missing link.

You're at the final stage of left4rdedness, where all that's left to do is smear feces on some Teslas, steal some TVs and scalp a mentally handicapped white kid in the name of social justice, get your 8-yr-old a sex change, and either rack up some abortions or read some books to small children while wearing a miniskirt, depending on whether you identify as a woman or a shemale. 

[LinkSoul60]

4 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

True we have already paid for 16 F-35, of which Canada does produce parts for as part of the contract we signed to become a partner. 

The Gripen has been involved in 3 competitions to replace our F-18's, and has placed last in all 3 of them, behind the super hornet, Eurofighter, french rafale, F-35. on the last competition it placed second only because the Euro fighters dropped out because we wanted to much in offsets, and their price tags were eye watering.....and Justin was pissed at Boeing because of a dispute with bombardier. 

Grippen does not have many of the capabilities the F-35 has, it is great in a knife fight , but modern air combat is happening at range, and with stealth, 2 of the things the gripen lacks...F-35 excels at stealth, EW, long range radar, sensors that allow it to engage at range, or drop weapons on target without waking up enemy radar. Historically look at the missions our F-18 have been asked to do over the last 20 years including those missions we were not able to do, and the F-35 covers it all...not to mention the airforce and all it's expertise has said it is the one they want to strap themselves into to go into combat 3 times in a row.......something Carney and other MP won't be doing....he may excell at banking , but i think he lacks the expertise of a fighter jock... 

Again hard to blame the US when we have allowed our own defence industry to wither on the vine due to lack of any interest in our own military. in the meantime the US defense industry build the best in most weapon systems. nobody can produce Aircraft or ships like the US does, some of our Army kits is built by the Europeans. like our leopards, Carl Gustafs anti tank,and a few others, but the rest all built in the US because it was the best at the time...It is one thing to have a lip on for the US or trump to be more correct....but not to buy our own soldiers the best equipment available is to let our soldiers down because of a grudge that will be gone in 3 years...and whatever equipment we do end up purchasing we will have for 40 years...or more...

Absolutely....don't blame the US at all for pressing on the NATO spend, and ours in particular.  We've been nothing but complacent for too many years doing little to nothing while our military and its equipment became antiquated. With my limited knowledge of the defence industry I do know that the US is the best with their weapons and technology systems.  Again, agree with Carney though that we spend too much of every defence dollar with the US and need to diversify that, which can also help trade agreements with other countries. End of the day though our geographic location is what it is and we're always going to be lock step with the US economically and what looks to be militarily now as well.  Either way....hopefully Carney will learn from the past and engage the appropriate people to make the best decisions for today and tomorrow.

 

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You're maxed out on stupidity, missing link.

You're at the final stage of left4rdedness, where all that's left to do is smear feces on some Teslas, steal some TVs and scalp a mentally handicapped white kid in the name of social justice, get your 8-yr-old a sex change, and either rack up some abortions or read some books to small children while wearing a miniskirt, depending on whether you identify as a woman or a shemale. 

You must need to wear a helmet when you go outside....don't you?

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Don't forget about him not updating you daily on the trade negotiation conversations and embellishing that he listen to ACDC during Jr hockey warm ups.  I'm surprised the nation isn't in an absolute uproar over this....

I think I said it earlier...?  But f*ck, you are stunned.....

Pretty common theme emerging here. Whenever someone points out that you're wrong you immediately turn around and attack the person and then try and explain things to them that they have already explained to you and pretend that you've known it all along

I'm sure you're a terror on the elementary school debate club but here you just kind of look stupid. Maybe try addressing people's points

4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You must need to wear a helmet when you go outside....don't you?

This from someone who clearly knows what all of the colors in the crayon box taste like

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You must need to wear a helmet when you go outside....don't you?

Sorry, that's not normal, missing link. You'll have a hard time finding a conservative who wears a "social justice warrior hat 😉" like you. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

If the $100B was for Ukraine, Gazans, to fight global warming in a muslim country, or to relocate some vampire death cult here we'd find it, but because it's for Canada's benefit, just consider this another LPOC promise that's doomed to remain unfulfilled.

It's yet another fake silverback moment from Mr tits-down, arse up. 

We'll spend hundreds of millions on consultations, there will be fights in the HoC about what to spend it on, cronies of the LPOC's down-sawth cuzzins - Demmies - will have some money showered on them for nothing but no one will care and CBC will ignore it, and at the end of the day we'll get a handful of 2nd-rate fighters and some used equipment from countries like France and Britain that's right at the end of its combat viability, with ongoing issues that will keep it on the sidelines most of the time. 

What we need is at least 1 good ice-breaker.

[Army Guy]

There is a lot Carney can do to spend money here in Canada, if he does it wisely, we could order new LAV 6 mk2 built in ontario with a whole slew of add ons and capabilities....it's a win win....once into the european markets, we could purchase systems and have them built here in Canada...just European orders for arms have locked up most manufactures up for at least 5 years, with long delivery times....and this is only going to get worse as more orders come in...take the Leopard II there are only 2 places that produce new hulls, for thousands of already built tanks and for all the new orders...it would be a win win for Canada replacing some of our lost auto sector jobs...

We should also be looking cutting back on our new Irving frigates, and looking at say south Korea, of Japan, to build destroyers or cruisers for half the price and 10 times the capability....Same as subs...Use Canadian ship building to build more naval support ships, that we don't have right now, like under sea infrastructure protection or repair ships, deep diving / research ships, or sub rescue ships...or more armed icebreakers. or armed coast guard cutters... 

[LinkSoul60]

49 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Why do you keep talking about Thunderstruck, stunned f-tard? 

Can you at least tell us all what that's about, or is it a cultist secret? 

Because it was a sore point for the minions on the Toronto Sun video you latched onto.  Is your memory that limited, or was that laugh just another piece of minutia nobody cares about...?  PS....it's the latter

[Shady]

It’s truly amazing how much money Carney spends without producing any kind of budget.

[Barquentine]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

What kind of Twat needs this explain to them and then turns around and pretends they're explaining it to someone else

You, as I recall. You know you can go back and get your GED, don't you?

[CdnFox]

27 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

You, as I recall.

LOL your recollection is a little off.     Given how often YOU need to be corrected i'd say i wouldn't be bringing up going back to school if i were you  

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Because it was a sore point for the minions on the Toronto Sun video you latched onto.  Is your memory that limited, or was that laugh just another piece of minutia nobody cares about...?  PS....it's the latter

It must have been a small part of it. You can't blame me for not sifting through his laundry-list of lies. 

I get that Carney lies about everything, but I don't care about everything that he lies about. 

Trivial lies like what song was played during his hockey warmup are irrelevant. 

I care about the serious lies that he makes, and he makes them with metronome consistency.

No leader of a major party in Canada has lied as often or to the extent that Carney does. His lies were at times complete fabrications, and at others he just told the exact opposite of the truth, and these lies were central to his qualifications and intentions.  

5 hours ago, Shady said:

It’s truly amazing how much money Carney spends without producing any kind of budget.

Budgets? We don't need no stinking budgets!

 

[herbie]

Committing to that 5% is absolutely insane. We don't have 5% of any budget to waste appeasing the fool who's going out of his way to wreck the economies of all the other nations.

Tying each nation's NATO contribution strictly to a financial figure is simply an idea dreamed up by a demented bean counter. Other nations are actually under military threat and combined with the economic and threats from a supposed main allie led by an oaf that won't even commit to Article 5 and if he "likes you" or not - they have to.

FFS we can do it, let's subsidize Bombardier to built our own 6th Gen Avro Arrow.
 

[WestCanMan]

22 minutes ago, herbie said:

Committing to that 5% is absolutely insane. We don't have 5% of any budget to waste appeasing the fool who's going out of his way to wreck the economies of all the other nations.

Theoretically Carney's increasing of the budget isn't to appease Trump, it's to spite him. "We can't rely on the US as an ally anymore, so now we're forming an alliance with the Europeans and Twumpo isn't in it!!!" 

I don't remember the exact quote. 

[LinkSoul60]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It must have been a small part of it. You can't blame me for not sifting through his laundry-list of lies. 

I get that Carney lies about everything, but I don't care about everything that he lies about. 

Trivial lies like what song was played during his hockey warmup are irrelevant. 

I care about the serious lies that he makes, and he makes them with metronome consistency.

No leader of a major party in Canada has lied as often or to the extent that Carney does. His lies were at times complete fabrications, and at others he just told the exact opposite of the truth, and these lies were central to his qualifications and intentions.  

Budgets? We don't need no stinking budgets!

 

lol....  There's no lies coming from him that are of any consequence one way or another, except to those who wanted PP.

Budget will come when he knows what the landscape is after getting the tariff agreement is done. Hard to give fiscal guidance when you don't know the immediate future. A large number of companies in Corporate America have done the same thing and pulled their earning guidance because they don't know what's going on with the sh*t show known as Trump. No big deal. Until then it doesn't affect our credit rating or affect the credibility of why Carney got elected.  Gives the opposition something to chirp is about it....

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

lol....  There's no lies coming from him that are of any consequence one way or another, except to those who wanted PP.

Right there you just lost ALL credibility. 

Only a true cultist could deny any of the lies that have been mentioned here several times. 

Carney actually played a large role in moving Brookfield's HQ, and that's undeniable. Not up for debate. He said the EXACT opposite of the truth, and the fact that he also may have lied about music at a hockey practice doesn't change anything. 

He also pretended to be the "elbows up" guy at the debates after rolling over in the WH and dropping almost all of his punitive tariffs.  

He wasn't part of Martin's gov't when he balanced the budget.

He didn't play the lead role in averting the '08 recession, etc, etc, etc.

I don't have to litigate any of those Carney whoppers anymore. They were 100% false, and they were a big part of his campaign. 

You just have to live with it, like we have to live with this shitty, dishonest, feckless loser in the PMO. 

[herbie]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Theoretically Carney's increasing of the budget isn't to appease Trump, it's to spite him. "We can't rely on the US as an ally

Yes you are correct in that. So seldom we tend to agree.

Count in the $$ to build up the shipyards here to build more ships and build faster. No more of this ferries from China shit.

[LinkSoul60]

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Right there you just lost ALL credibility. 

Only a true cultist could deny any of the lies that have been mentioned here several times. 

Carney actually played a large role in moving Brookfield's HQ, and that's undeniable. Not up for debate. He said the EXACT opposite of the truth, and the fact that he also may have lied about music at a hockey practice doesn't change anything. 

He also pretended to be the "elbows up" guy at the debates after rolling over in the WH and dropping almost all of his punitive tariffs.  

He wasn't part of Martin's gov't when he balanced the budget.

He didn't play the lead role in averting the '08 recession, etc, etc, etc.

I don't have to litigate any of those Carney whoppers anymore. They were 100% false, and they were a big part of his campaign. 

You just have to live with it, like we have to live with this shitty, dishonest, feckless loser in the PMO. 

Don't give me that Brookfield thing....who cares. He was in private business and doing what's best for the business and shareholders.  

Don't care if they played music before his old-timer hockey or worked for Martin either.  You shouldn't either, get over it.

Have an apple....

[CdnFox]

36 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Don't give me that Brookfield thing....who cares. He was in private business and doing what's best for the business and shareholders.  

But he lied to Canadians about it.

If it was such a good thing and absolutely nothing to be ashamed of why not tell the truth? It is universally accepted even by his own people that he lied.

You're the kind of person that would excuse a rapist. There's nothing that this guy could do that is so bad that you would condemn it. You can't even own the things he's already done and just be honest about it.

Today's liberal voters. This is why we can't have nice things.

[ExFlyer]

19 hours ago, Shady said:

It’s truly amazing how much money Carney spends without producing any kind of budget.

Harper waited 7 months before his first budget.
"Stephen Harper’s first budget was delivered about 7 months after his party formed a minority government on February 6, 2006. The budget was tabled in Parliament on September 25, 2006.."

[LinkSoul60]

13 hours ago, herbie said:

Committing to that 5% is absolutely insane. We don't have 5% of any budget to waste appeasing the fool who's going out of his way to wreck the economies of all the other nations.

Tying each nation's NATO contribution strictly to a financial figure is simply an idea dreamed up by a demented bean counter. Other nations are actually under military threat and combined with the economic and threats from a supposed main allie led by an oaf that won't even commit to Article 5 and if he "likes you" or not - they have to.

FFS we can do it, let's subsidize Bombardier to built our own 6th Gen Avro Arrow.
 

We have little to no choice...   Commit with ally partners or be on our own little island which isn't sustainable.  To say we're not going to upgrade our antiquated military, but expect big brother and other allies to protect us if needed doesn't fly.  If we want to be a sovereign nation we need to act like it and be able to protect ourselves. 

5% is not insane....  Far less annually than what we spent on covid pandemic. 1.5% of the 5% is for infrastructure but both spends will create business, jobs and revenue.  

Still have 4 years before NATO review.  The world will also look a lot different in 4 years so 5% might become 3% or 7% by then.

[LinkSoul60]

9 hours ago, herbie said:

Yes you are correct in that. So seldom we tend to agree.

Count in the $$ to build up the shipyards here to build more ships and build faster. No more of this ferries from China shit.

lol.... except for the $1B federal bank loan to BC ferries for the 4 ships from China.

Part of the problem we have now with being so f*cking stagnant over the years....  no Canadian shipyard bid on BC ferry tender because they don't have capacity.  If we'd been investing in our military and infrastructure over the years the ship building industry might be in a spot with manpower and scale that they could produce for BC ferries.

[LinkSoul60]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But he lied to Canadians about it.

If it was such a good thing and absolutely nothing to be ashamed of why not tell the truth? It is universally accepted even by his own people that he lied.

You're the kind of person that would excuse a rapist. There's nothing that this guy could do that is so bad that you would condemn it. You can't even own the things he's already done and just be honest about it.

Today's liberal voters. This is why we can't have nice things.

Hopefully those supposed lies don't keep you up at night.  If they do, drinking some warm wine to sleep better....

Go have an apple with westcanman and pool your money to buy some Brookfield shares. You won't regret....

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But he lied to Canadians about it.

It's not even that he lied about it. It's everything about that lie that matters...

• It was in no way beneficial to Canadians - he did it purely to advance himself
• It was the exact opposite of the truth and not a mere omission or inaccuracy
• Our bought-and-paid-for-with-taxpayer-dollars MSM obediently ignored it, and focused attention on blowing sunshine his ass when they had no choice but briefly write about it
• The sheer arrogance that he could lie so blatantly to Canadians should be setting off alarm bells for everyone. The frequency with which he tells these whoppers and the CBC's consistency in ignoring them just proves that he wasn't wrong to think that he could get away with it

A person could over being lied to by their spouse on an inconsequential matter if their intentions were reasonable. "They didn't have that brand so I got these instead." Maybe the new ones were half price, organic, had less sugar or more protein, someone told them the new ones were great, they were easier to serve, looked nicer when they were served, etc...

If your partner says "I couldn't get you a birthday card because I got called in to work" but you know that they were having lunch with someone they flirt with, and they knew that you'd find out but they didn't care, it's time to move on. This is the kind of liar Carney is.

Carney's a slimy liar, but he's a slimy liar that gave the CBC a billion dollars, so he's our scumbag.