ExFlyer Posted June 28, 2025 Report Posted June 28, 2025 (edited) 13 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It's not even a little bit true and the fact Yeah OK?? LOL. Suck it up buttercup LOL Harper sold us out to China.... That’s the way the Harper government, by way of a release quoting Trade Minister Ed Fast, announced that it had decided to ignore widespread public opposition, parliamentary opposition from the NDP, Greens and ... an ongoing First Nations legal challenge, and even division at its own cabinet table and grassroots membership and proceed with the ratification of the Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA). Canada’s ratification of the deal means it will enter into force on October 1. And once that happens, we’ll be locked into the terms of FIPA for a minimum of 31 years. https://canadians.org/analysis/harper-sneaks-through-canada-china-fipa-locks-canada-31-years/ "Prime Minister Stephen Harper ended months of market uncertainty by approving the foreign takeovers of Calgary-based Nexen Inc. and Progress Energy Resources Corp." https://globalnews.ca/news/317050/harper-government-gives-approval-to-nexen-and-progress-takeover-deals-2/ "Harper government cuts secret deal to renege on job and production commitments, The Conservative government has betrayed working families in Hamilton and Nanticoke" https://www.sootoday.com/local-news/harper-government-betrays-canadians-steelworkers-157085 "list of companies sold includes nickel giants Inco and Falconbridge, acquired by Brazil’s CVRD and Switzerland’s Xstrata for $17.6 billion and $17.3 billion, respectively; and steelmakers such as Dofasco, Algoma, AltaSteel and Stelco, swallowed up by Luxembourg’s Arcelor, India’s Essar Global, Sweden’s SCAW and US Steel." https://gfmag.com/news/features-canada-for-sale/ Edited June 28, 2025 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted June 28, 2025 Report Posted June 28, 2025 4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Yeah OK?? LOL Glad you admit you were lying it's the first step to healing Kid I already pointed out a number of the things which are just absolutely fake. And harper did not sell us out to china in the slightest, and that's pretty rich coming from a guy who supports people who very literally sold us out to china to win elections I mean I get it, the thesis reports show that the liberals actually literally sold us out to china so you like to try and lie about harper to cover their tracks. But no, we did not get sold out to china by harper. And I've already pointed out why most of your other crap is a lie Your first clue should have been that the only source you could quote was a liberal fundraising site By the way the current liberal government just provided British Columbia with a multibillion dollar loan to buy new ferries from the Chinese. Comment? And why hasn't Carnie talked about the trade war with china? They have tariffs on us just like America and it hurts us just as bad but silence. That would be the same carney that negotiated a massive 3/4 of a billion dollar loan for his company from the Chinese while he was over there doing business for Trudeau Comment? 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted June 28, 2025 Report Posted June 28, 2025 11 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Glad you admit ... Comment? Dolt...don't like the media links and facts Ha Ha Ha 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted June 28, 2025 Report Posted June 28, 2025 Just now, ExFlyer said: Dolt...don't like the media links and facts Ha Ha Ha You didn't post anything relevant so not really anything to like or dislike As always you need to lie desperately to try and make your point. If you would just use the truth you wouldn't have to go through this. Your original claim was that the conservative sold nex gen. Now you Post-proof that in fact they didn't. The shareholders did. They just didn't block the sale that the shareholders approved. So your claim that they sold NexGen is absolutely a lie Which i didn't need you to post a link to prove but thanks! 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted June 28, 2025 Report Posted June 28, 2025 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: You didn't post anything relevant so not really anything to like or dislike A her are some facts...read em and weep LOSER LOL Harper sold us out to China.... That’s the way the Harper government, by way of a release quoting Trade Minister Ed Fast, announced that it had decided to ignore widespread public opposition, parliamentary opposition from the NDP, Greens and ... an ongoing First Nations legal challenge, and even division at its own cabinet table and grassroots membership and proceed with the ratification of the Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA). Canada’s ratification of the deal means it will enter into force on October 1. And once that happens, we’ll be locked into the terms of FIPA for a minimum of 31 years. https://canadians.org/analysis/harper-sneaks-through-canada-china-fipa-locks-canada-31-years/ "Prime Minister Stephen Harper ended months of market uncertainty by approving the foreign takeovers of Calgary-based Nexen Inc. and Progress Energy Resources Corp." https://globalnews.ca/news/317050/harper-government-gives-approval-to-nexen-and-progress-takeover-deals-2/ "Harper government cuts secret deal to renege on job and production commitments, The Conservative government has betrayed working families in Hamilton and Nanticoke" https://www.sootoday.com/local-news/harper-government-betrays-canadians-steelworkers-157085 "list of companies sold includes nickel giants Inco and Falconbridge, acquired by Brazil’s CVRD and Switzerland’s Xstrata for $17.6 billion and $17.3 billion, respectively; and steelmakers such as Dofasco, Algoma, AltaSteel and Stelco, swallowed up by Luxembourg’s Arcelor, India’s Essar Global, Sweden’s SCAW and US Steel." https://gfmag.com/news/features-canada-for-sale/ 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Army Guy Posted June 28, 2025 Report Posted June 28, 2025 7 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Lets be real. No government ever spent the required money on NATO. Chances of hitting 5% by most NATO countries is unrealistic and all are agreeing only to appease Trump. He will be gone and so will the 5% requirement. They all said they would comply but long after the Trump presidency is over Well right now there are 8 countries already spending north of 3 % and only one country right now not spending 2 %...I think what NATO is doing is looking at the current state of NATO's armys and most of NATO has cashed in peace bonds pretty hard...take germany for example,used to have 2500 main battle tanks, not that long ago.... today has less than 296 and has plans to double that number...you can do that with every NATO member including the US... 5% is the number NATO figures to get NATO back in line . i highly doubt this is going to be the long term number...NATO intel has said Russia will have recouped it's numbers within 5 years, and is already boasting numbers along NATO border countries... I think we miss a huge point here...Europe is preparing for war right now...and are panic mode, low troop and equipment numbers, combined with the US threatening to not come to their aid, and withdrawals of US troop levels across europe has them second guess their abilities....not to mention US has dumped Ukraine support and europe has picked up that ball...A lot of european countries are talking about bring back mandatory serve to bring troops numbers back up..recalling those members that just retired....mean while here in Canada , We have signed onto a new Europe defence pact making more military taskings.......And our military strength is a joke right now...it will take decades to fix our military issues...even at 3.5 %, with creative accounting making up the other 1.5 %.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted June 28, 2025 Report Posted June 28, 2025 5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: 5% of GDP is excessive. Not even the U.S. spends that much of their GDP on defence. 2% was reasonable and Canada needs to meet that goal asap. NATO countries shouldn’t be propping up the US defence welfare complex. We’re getting the fleet of ice breakers. The 88 F-35’s or something comparable like the Grippen is coming. My understanding is that we’re getting ships but they’re dependent on US communication systems. We need a proper compliment of subs and they should be nuclear. Canada does need a significant military boost. I do question the value of some of this heavier conventional tech given that wars seem to be fought increasingly with unmanned drones operated by video game whizzes in command centres. Canada needs to play this smart and do enough to placate Trump until he’s run out of town. Canada doesn’t have as many enemies as the U.S., nor do we seek to manipulate geopolitics as much as the U.S. Having said that, we have benefited from U.S. hegemony. We need to up our game for our own independence, so that we really can defend ourselves with or without NATO and the U.S. The reality is that once a country has the power to nuke the world once over and defend its borders, the rest is just about supporting allied missions. Canada has to be prepared for the U.S. to close the door and be self-reliant. That also means making enough of our own military stuff that we can close the door too, export gear, trade it, etc. Canada needs to start acting like a Britain as our population closes in on 50 million over the next 15-20 years. Most of the posters on this forum has said 5 % is way to much....3.5 % is the target, while the other 1.5 % is going to be made up with creative accounting, costing new roads, or build up of ports etc etc....And that target is 10 years from now... What you have forgotten is the golden dome, there is 70 plus bil...not to mention there has been no costing of subs...est at 90 bil...want to go Nuclear,ask Australia what it is costing them 368 bil plus an addition 8 bil on infrastructure...of course thats not rounded out to include 40 years of upkeep....like canada does...Ya hello defending yourselves is expensive.... Our military is in deep trouble and if your going to just placate the donald...then we should stop right now...our objective should be taking a look at our current military status...which is crap...and where do we want it to go...and look at it from this point , it will be our sons and daughters manning this equipment, do you want to cheap out or send them into battle and have them sent back in bags if thats ok well so be it......but historically we have gone into crises before completely unready, the cost of that is people,yup lots of people , lots of bags....people are cheap,government pays out less than 500 k per person if you died in combat, way less if it was non combat related... IF you apply and jump through all the veterans affairs hoops...on the plus side you will get a funeral with aluminum casket, and get to keep the flag that drapes it, someone will salute you and your family, shake your hand, thank you for your sacrifice, and that will be that....a few weeks later you will get a box in the mail with their personal effects...so you can live through all of that again...dont worry your not going to be alone it will be happening all across the country every day...That's the cost of being cheap... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted June 28, 2025 Report Posted June 28, 2025 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: her are some facts...read em and weep LOSER LOL Harper sold us out to China.... That’s the way the Harper government, by way of a release quoting Trade Minister Ed Fast, announced that it had decided to ignore widespread public opposition, parliamentary opposition from the NDP, Greens and ... an ongoing First Nations legal challenge, and even division at its own cabinet table and grassroots membership and proceed with the ratification of the Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA). Canada’s ratification of the deal means it will enter into force on October 1. And once that happens, we’ll be locked into the terms of FIPA for a minimum of 31 years. https://canadians.org/analysis/harper-sneaks-through-canada-china-fipa-locks-canada-31-years/ "Prime Minister Stephen Harper ended months of market uncertainty by approving the foreign takeovers of Calgary-based Nexen Inc. and Progress Energy Resources Corp." https://globalnews.ca/news/317050/harper-government-gives-approval-to-nexen-and-progress-takeover-deals-2/ "Harper government cuts secret deal to renege on job and production commitments, The Conservative government has betrayed working families in Hamilton and Nanticoke" https://www.sootoday.com/local-news/harper-government-betrays-canadians-steelworkers-157085 "list of companies sold includes nickel giants Inco and Falconbridge, acquired by Brazil’s CVRD and Switzerland’s Xstrata for $17.6 billion and $17.3 billion, respectively; and steelmakers such as Dofasco, Algoma, AltaSteel and Stelco, swallowed up by Luxembourg’s Arcelor, India’s Essar Global, Sweden’s SCAW and US Steel." https://gfmag.com/news/features-canada-for-sale/ Uhhh no. That's not a fact in the slightest. THat's an opinion. And no, pipa can be cancelled at any time with 1 year's notice at this point. That's a fact. And the agreement did not sell out canada anyway. And that's a fact. And your own sources agree that your claim that harper sold nexgen etc are false. The shareholders sold it. THat would be a fact. Harper had nothing to do with the sales other than to not get in the way of the shareholders. Are you saying people shouldn't be allowed to sell things they own? You're such a communist Again, all you do is lie. No, harper didn't sell out canada, no the trade deal didn't last 31 years unless we want it to, no harper didn't sell privately owned companies. If you didn't have dishonesty you wouldn't have any honesty at all 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
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