The Age of America is OVER

[User]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It doesn't matter, you're still coming through loud and clear.

Great

[eyeball]

On 7/1/2025 at 5:59 PM, Legato said:

we still have a carbon tax so when will it stop the climate a changin?

It won't, the climate changes all the time or didn't you know that?

[SpankyMcFarland]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And? That's utterly meaningless.

For something that's actually relevant there's no question as to which country is leading in the production of greenhouse gases

China is a rapidly industrializing country with a lot of people. I presume you are taking all that into account? 

By the tenor of this debate, I presume I am talking to mainly older people here who won’t have to face the consequences of these decisions by the US. 
 

[SpankyMcFarland]

The Chinese political system is ghastly but they do think long-term and have been setting the stage for what is happening now with battery technology for decades. They can see the world is heading for a renewable energy future. If we deny that reality in North America and take the easy route with fossil fuels we will be left behind. On this occasion Mr. Musk is correct. 

[User]

4 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

By the tenor of this debate, I presume I am talking to mainly older people here who won’t have to face the consequences of these decisions by the US. 

What are the consequences of China continuing to produce more and more coal?

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Granted, China is dragging it's heels on controlling it's CO2 emissions but so are we. That said we agreed to let developing countries produce more emissions for longer so they could catch up to developed countries who were supposed to have started making better progress by now.

That right there tells me that you guys don't really think that this is a climate emergency. In a real emergency we don't have time for Political correctness are being "fair to developing nations'. If it was a real emergency things would have to happen right now and that's obviously not the case

At the end of the day nothing Canada does we'll have the slightest impact. Even if we could eliminate our entire output and bring output down to absolute zero it would not matter.

Clearly we're going to have to set some money aside for adapting to new climateswithout a doubt when opportunity presents itself we should try and limit emissions especially as the technology becomes available to actually do something about it.

But the idea of destroying our economy or even impacting it in order to fight climate change anymore is obviously a complete joke.

40 minutes ago, eyeball said:

As far as human or labour rights go...it's unfortunate that wheeling and dealing with China has made us more like them than the other way around as we were assured would happen

That only works if our government is also willing to stand up to them. As it is they basically owned the liberals bought and paid for so there was never any threat of them losing market share.

Seriously, things were getting slightly better under harper but justin had his elections bought and paid for by the Chinese. They had zero fear so there was no pressure for them to make any changes.

So while we were destroying our economy under the liberals, china advanced its economy and because they bought and paid for the liberals there was no need for them to worry about improving worker conditions or the like well Justin was taking their money.

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 minute ago, User said:

What are the consequences of China continuing to produce more and more coal?

More global warming, of course, but you would have to possess a neck as tough as a jockey’s scrotum to pretend outrage at that after what we have done to the planet. At least they are charting a new course for the world in that regard. 

[User]

1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

More global warming, of course, but you would have to possess a neck as tough as a jockey’s scrotum to pretend outrage at that after what we have done to the planet. At least they are charting a new course for the world in that regard. 

Yes, consuming more coal than the world combined and continuing to build and use more... a new course indeed!

[CdnFox]

Just now, SpankyMcFarland said:

More global warming, of course, but you would have to possess a neck as tough as a jockey’s scrotum to pretend outrage at that after what we have done to the planet. At least they are charting a new course for the world in that regard. 

Canada hasn't done anything to the planet. It's not doing anything to the planet now. In the last 10 years alone china has polluted more greenhouse gases then Canada has in its entire history.

So I don't know what you thought you were talking about but basically that's completely full of crap. China has done more to harm The planet than we ever have, and they benefit is usually as well. Very fact that you would give the largest producer of greenhouse gases on the planet a free walk tells me you know it's not a serious issue

[SpankyMcFarland]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Canada hasn't done anything to the planet. It's not doing anything to the planet now. In the last 10 years alone china has polluted more greenhouse gases then Canada has in its entire history.

So I don't know what you thought you were talking about but basically that's completely full of crap. China has done more to harm The planet than we ever have, and they benefit is usually as well. Very fact that you would give the largest producer of greenhouse gases on the planet a free walk tells me you know it's not a serious issue

The US and Canada are far more advanced and wealthy per capita than China. When our emissions are lower per capita then we can lecture the Chinese. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Canada hasn't done anything to the planet. It's not doing anything to the planet now. In the last 10 years alone china has polluted more greenhouse gases then Canada has in its entire history.

So I don't know what you thought you were talking about but basically that's completely full of crap. China has done more to harm The planet than we ever have, and they benefit is usually as well. Very fact that you would give the largest producer of greenhouse gases on the planet a free walk tells me you know it's not a serious issue

This is the only place we know of where our species can survive and we humans, among whom I take the liberty to include Canadians, are dramatically altering its atmosphere. 

Edited July 3, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

12 minutes ago, User said:

Yes, consuming more coal than the world combined and continuing to build and use more... a new course indeed!

So you’re suddenly outraged by coal plants when other people are building them. 

This forum is beyond hope. 

Edited July 3, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

China is a rapidly industrializing country with a lot of people. I presume you are taking all that into account? 

 

So you think global warming will go slower for their carbon output on principle?

Either there's a climate emergency or crisis.... or there isn't. What i CAN tell you is that nothing we do will make the slightest difference in the face of that. 

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By the tenor of this debate, I presume I am talking to mainly older people here who won’t have to face the consequences of these decisions by the US. 

We're facing the consequences of these decisions right now, carbon tax has badly damaged our economy and pretending to 'fight' it has not only been expensive and a waste of time but it as taken away from things that really WOULD have helped, like adaptation or tech development. 

Those are real.  Carbon tax to fight climate change is not real. Destroying our oil industry to pretend like some how we'll have fewer forest fires was a complete fiction, and it left us poorer and vunerable not just to climate change but to trump. 

If you're young what should be scaring the bejeezuz out of you is that we're on track to hit a 100 billion dollar deficit this year, and that'll probably stay at around 70 billion a year for the rest of Carney's term if he isn't brought down early. And that's not including provincial debt. If we'd built our oil and gas industries we'd have a hell of a lot more revenue to deal with that and you know what? THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF GAS AND OIL WOULD HAVE BEEN BURNED.  It just wouldn't have been sold by russia etc. 

our economic situation is going to collapse like greece long before climate change gets you. Yet you voted liberal - the same liberals who ALSO missed our paris targets by miles (and kyoto and every other climate target they set) AND who's racked up the MAJORITY of our entire debt at this point, just in the last 10 years. 

The liberals who knew that carbon tax was such an ineffective way to fight climate change that they didn't even BOTHER to set targets for how much it would reduce emissions and didn't bother to track how it was doing. They just didn't see a point. 

Sorry but it's just impossible to take you seriously given all of that. 
 

[User]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

So you’re suddenly outraged by coal plants when other people are building them. 

This forum is beyond hope. 

Just pointing out what you are cheering on. 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

China is a rapidly industrializing country with a lot of people. I presume you are taking all that into account? 

By the tenor of this debate, I presume I am talking to mainly older people here who won’t have to face the consequences of these decisions by the US. 
 

People familiar with China and their economy think that China is in trouble due to their aging population and lack of youth. 

But who knows, maybe AI/bots can take over a lot of that workload. 

I definitely lack the knowledge to foresee what will happen to China's economy over the next 2, 5, 10, 50 years, but I do know that they're scary AF right now, and that having the Chinese as overlords is a dreadful prospect.

Thank God for nukes (talk about a statement with the potential to become the most ironic statement ever made). 

Edited July 4, 2025 by WestCanMan

[Legato]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

It won't, the climate changes all the time or didn't you know that?

Duffle bags are handy when collecting acorns, or didn't you know that?

[Barquentine]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

For something that's actually relevant there's no question as to which country is leading in the production of greenhouse gases

Yes but at the same time:

https://www.climatecouncil.org.au

"Wondering how the world’s largest carbon emitter can also be a leader in renewable energy? It may seem counter-intuitive, but China is the global renewable energy leader hosting nearly half of the world’s total operating wind and solar capacity. China is on track to double its utility-scale solar and wind power capacity, shattering the central government’s ambitious 2030 target of 1,200 GW five years ahead of schedule.  They’re also the biggest investor in renewable energy worldwide, where nearly half of the world’s low-carbon spending took place in China in 2022 (US$546 billion)."

Ay least they recognize the problem and are moving in the right direction, unlike the US who are proudly marching backwards to the 1950's.

On 7/1/2025 at 11:42 PM, CdnFox said:

we were going to be destroyed if we didn't do something

We will be if we don't do something. Taxing carbon emissions is just one tool in the box. But it will take international cooperation. The problem took many decades to evolve and will take decades to solve, but it can be done. (Without you and the rest of your backward looking  tribe.)

[LinkSoul60]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Ay least they recognize the problem and are moving in the right direction, unlike the US who are proudly marching backwards to the 1950's.

We will be if we don't do something. Taxing carbon emissions is just one tool in the box. But it will take international cooperation. The problem took many decades to evolve and will take decades to solve, but it can be done. (Without you and the rest of your backward looking  tribe.)

Exactly,  China is still a developing country but investments in clean energy tech outpaces all other countries by quite a lot.  Trump on the other hand doesn't give a damn about the environment and prefers to go backwards with his megabill that ends tax credits for solar and wind tech and opens federal land and water for fossil fuel exploration and tax credits.  That is backwards thinking...

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Exactly,  China is still a developing country but investments in clean energy tech outpaces all other countries by quite a lot.  

They're not even close.

Google ai:

In Canada, approximately 66% of the electricity generated comes from renewable sources. 

n 2024, Germany achieved a significant milestone by generating 62.7% of its electricity from renewable sources.

In 2024, renewable sources generated 50.8% of the UK's electricity, marking a new record and the first time renewables have surpassed 50% of the total.

In 2024, renewable energy sources accounted for approximately 32.33% of China's total electricity generation

 

China Isn't leading the way at all. In fact they're behind a lot of countries. They're ahead of the US on paper but remember that the US buys a lot of its power from canada so while their own generation is actually not all that renewable their actual power consumption comes from even higher percentage of Renewables than china

 

You should really take a few minutes to look this stuff up before you actually post. China is actually way behind the pack when it comes to renewable energy.

Worse, a higher percentage of its non-renewable energy is from very carbon heavy sources like coal-fired plants, whereas canada for example uses considerably more natural gas and nuclear power, which reduce emissions tremendously, especially nuclear which produces no emissions.

I know you guys on the left love to worship china but they're really not doing that great. And there is nothing emerging about their market or economy, they didn't modern economy since the seventies

[LinkSoul60]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They're not even close.

Google ai:

In Canada, approximately 66% of the electricity generated comes from renewable sources. 

n 2024, Germany achieved a significant milestone by generating 62.7% of its electricity from renewable sources.

In 2024, renewable sources generated 50.8% of the UK's electricity, marking a new record and the first time renewables have surpassed 50% of the total.

In 2024, renewable energy sources accounted for approximately 32.33% of China's total electricity generation

 

China Isn't leading the way at all. In fact they're behind a lot of countries. They're ahead of the US on paper but remember that the US buys a lot of its power from canada so while their own generation is actually not all that renewable their actual power consumption comes from even higher percentage of Renewables than china

 

You should really take a few minutes to look this stuff up before you actually post. China is actually way behind the pack when it comes to renewable energy.

Worse, a higher percentage of its non-renewable energy is from very carbon heavy sources like coal-fired plants, whereas canada for example uses considerably more natural gas and nuclear power, which reduce emissions tremendously, especially nuclear which produces no emissions.

I know you guys on the left love to worship china but they're really not doing that great. And there is nothing emerging about their market or economy, they didn't modern economy since the seventies

Think twice, type once....   Look up what the word 'investments' means

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Think twice, type once....   Look up what the word 'investments' means

On a per capita basis they're still behind

Look at any of the countries I mentioned and look at their investment in clean energy over the last 10 years and look at china's. Even if you look over the last five years per capita everyone else is pulling ahead. 

In fact in 2024 china still put more money into global carbon energy than it did renewables and that even includes electric cars and batteries and such which have nothing to do with energy production. 

Sadly you can't think it all it would seem.    You got it wrong the first time, then you doubled down and got it wrong the second time. Wrong twice think never?

 

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

On a per capita basis they're still behind

Look at any of the countries I mentioned and look at their investment in clean energy over the last 10 years and look at china's. Even if you look over the last five years per capita everyone else is pulling ahead. 

In fact in 2024 china still put more money into global carbon energy than it did renewables and that even includes electric cars and batteries and such which have nothing to do with energy production. 

Sadly you can't think it all it would seem.    You got it wrong the first time, then you doubled down and got it wrong the second time. Wrong twice think never?

 

The comment was 'investments"....  You're not capable of digesting anything except for what your little mind chooses.

China leads the global cleantech race

While many of the world’s biggest GHG emitters are among the leading markets for cleantech investment, China is by far the largest country for funding. In 2024, the world’s biggest carbon polluter invested almost 820 billion U.S. dollars in energy transition technologies, accounting for 40 percent of the global total. Additionally, China accounted for nearly 90 percent of the global investment in factories for manufacturing energy transition-related equipment between 2020 and 2024. Surging investments have seen China become the undisputed leader in the cleantech race, with the country dominating global cleantech manufacturing capacities across the majority of segments, particularly for solar PV components.

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

The comment was 'investments"....  You're not capable of digesting anything except for what your little mind chooses.

And I address that. You have this weird habit of just utterly ignoring any evidence or facts that are proven that you don't like

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China leads the global cleantech race

They just don't

 

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While many of the world’s biggest GHG emitters are among the leading markets for cleantech investment, China is by far the largest country for funding. In 2024, the world’s biggest carbon polluter invested almost 820 billion U.S. dollars in energy transition technologies, accounting for 40 percent of the global total. Additionally, China accounted for nearly 90 percent of the global investment in factories for manufacturing energy transition-related equipment between 2020 and 2024. Surging investments have seen China become the undisputed leader in the cleantech race, with the country dominating global cleantech manufacturing capacities across the majority of segments, particularly for solar PV components.

In one year. The previous year they didn't they were at only 7%. And this year it looks like they're down again.

But the real kick in the teeth is you obviously didn't read what you quoted. In that figure they included things like factories for building electric cars. Electric cars have nothing to do with renewable energy creation. They include battery factories which have nothing to do with creation of green energy

So in the section you're actually quoting it points out that what you're saying is not accurate. It's only accurate if you include things like car factories. Car Factories do not generate any power

Not to mention that investment in a single year is not representative of what they're doing

Which is why I specifically said if you spread it over 10 years or even 5 years you see the truth.

In addition I pointed out that per capita they're still underfunding compared to many others. And their funding as a percentage of their total energy funding is still  below 50% for renewals whereas in Canada for example Renewables or a higher percentage of the energy investment spending

So your problem is you read one paragraph in one aI search and thought it made you correct when it absolutely does not. And I tried to tell you that and once again following your now traditional methodology you doubled down on the stupid without actually doing your research.

Tons of other countries spend more of their energy budgets on Renewables then china does, and if you look at it over any period of time china legs behind

So no matter how you want to look at it you're wrong. China invests a lower percentage of its energy investing on Renewables than many other countries, it has a much lower percentage of Renewables as part of it's overall power than many other countries, it invests less per capita than many other countries and if taken over a reasonable time frame legs behind tons of other countries

The only thing they're taking a lead in is making !diots like you convinced that somehow they're doing a good thing while they dump more greenhouse gas into the atmosphere by far than any other land mass on the planet

Edited July 4, 2025 by CdnFox

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

And I address that. You have this weird habit of just utterly ignoring any evidence or facts that are proven that you don't like

They just don't

 

In one year. The previous year they didn't they were at only 7%. And this year it looks like they're down again.

But the real kick in the teeth is you obviously didn't read what you quoted. In that figure they included things like factories for building electric cars. Electric cars have nothing to do with renewable energy creation. They include battery factories which have nothing to do with creation of green energy

So in the section you're actually quoting it points out that what you're saying is not accurate. It's only accurate if you include things like car factories. Car Factories do not generate any power

Not to mention that investment in a single year is not representative of what they're doing

Which is why I specifically said if you spread it over 10 years or even 5 years you see the truth.

In addition I pointed out that per capita they're still underfunding compared to many others. And their funding as a percentage of their total energy funding is still  below 50% for renewals whereas in Canada for example Renewables or a higher percentage of the energy investment spending

So your problem is you read one paragraph in one aI search and thought it made you correct when it absolutely does not. And I tried to tell you that and once again following your now traditional methodology you doubled down on the stupid without actually doing your research.

Tons of other countries spend more of their energy budgets on Renewables then china does, and if you look at it over any period of time china legs behind

So no matter how you want to look at it you're wrong. China invests a lower percentage of its energy investing on Renewables than many other countries, it has a much lower percentage of Renewables as part of it's overall power than many other countries, it invests less per capita than many other countries and if taken over a reasonable time frame legs behind tons of other countries

The only thing they're taking a lead in is making !diots like you convinced that somehow they're doing a good thing while they dump more greenhouse gas into the atmosphere by far than any other land mass on the planet

Done with you loser....

[CdnFox]

49 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Done with you loser....

Awwwww, all those facts make you sad little guy  

And again like most lefties, you can't answer the simple facts and information provided so now your big mad and it's my fault 🤣🤣😂😂😁