Army Guy Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 3 hours ago, Barquentine said: Yet. It never did....Carbon tax alone was not going to meet even our goals....Canadians are not serious about climate change if they have to pay...seen any major investment into power generation, upgrading of our electrical grids.. we do not produce enough power to support 20 % of all vehicles to be EV, no current rebates, manufactures have out right said they can not support the 20 % of all vehs produced to be EV's they also said it would mean moving all production out of Canada into the states...i guess that will solve all the problems won't it...want to lose votes that would be the route to go... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: It never did....Carbon tax alone was not going to meet even our goals....Canadians are not serious about climate change if they have to pay...seen any major investment into power generation, upgrading of our electrical grids.. we do not produce enough power to support 20 % of all vehicles to be EV, no current rebates, manufactures have out right said they can not support the 20 % of all vehs produced to be EV's they also said it would mean moving all production out of Canada into the states...i guess that will solve all the problems won't it...want to lose votes that would be the route to go... perhaps he still thinks we might achieve our kyoto targets as well Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Barquentine Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 10 hours ago, CdnFox said: perhaps he still thinks we might achieve our kyoto targets as well I don't need you to tell me what I think. I'm married! 2 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 13 hours ago, Army Guy said: It never did....Carbon tax alone was not going to meet even our goals....Canadians are not serious about climate change if they have to pay...seen any major investment into power generation, upgrading of our electrical grids.. we do not produce enough power to support 20 % of all vehicles to be EV, no current rebates, manufactures have out right said they can not support the 20 % of all vehs produced to be EV's they also said it would mean moving all production out of Canada into the states...i guess that will solve all the problems won't it...want to lose votes that would be the route to go... It's changing, but North American's are generally not serious about the climate if they have to pay for it. Doesn't matter whether it's building materials, how we heat/cool our homes, or our choice of vehicles. Like most purchasing decisions we make the perceived value of that purchase and your financial position will influence those choices. Beyond the impact to our wallets and debatable concerns of what carbon tax does to an economy, there is little argument to not try and evolve to a cleaner society. Affordability for many is the reality though and is going to dictate the support for that. And for what it's worth.... our energy grid is probably a little more robust than the US's, but an infrastructure concern for both as the electrification of the world evolves. 1 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 20 hours ago, User said: Yeah, and putting a piece of paper over my head is "moving in the right direction" for protecting myself from a meteor... Done: " but also they're still a developing nation with 1.4B people" Yours, and other like minded peeps ongoing quest to tell people what they think or what they said so that it fits your narrative is commendable. Foolish, but the effort is there so commendable.... Quote
CdnFox Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 4 hours ago, Barquentine said: I don't need you to tell me what I think. I'm married! LOL ok, you win that one Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
User Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 53 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Yours, and other like minded peeps ongoing quest to tell people what they think or what they said so that it fits your narrative is commendable. Foolish, but the effort is there so commendable.... I literally quoted you after you asked me to... 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said: It's changing, but North American's are generally not serious about the climate if they have to pay for it They would be. But the problem is the solutions the liberals and the left put forward cost money but don't actually achieve anything. If the carbon tax had made some sort of actual difference then people might not mind paying it. But it is crystal clear that all it did was hurt our economy badly, take money out of the hands of people and put money in the hands of the liberal government which they then spent on their friends through single sourced contracts. I think they pay for it if they saw that they were getting something. But the whole thing is kind of a hoax, I mean if Canada eliminated every single ounce of output of greenhouse gases it would still change nothing. Until the big polluters get serious nothing we do matters. We would be vastly better off putting our money into research for energy storage, energy creation that's clean such as nuclear power, and similar technologies that would allow us to affordably move away from greenhouse gas energy production and would allow for true electric vehicle technology that actually made sense and worked for everybody. Developing technology to allow us to adapt to a new climate reality. Sadly we wasted 10 years doing something utterly useless so that Justin Trudeau can retire on $1,000 a plate suppers without doing a damn thing for the environment. Just now, User said: I literally quoted you after you asked me to... That's just going to make him angry. Proving your point and proving that he was dishonest is the height of being a Nazi as far as the left is concerned 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Army Guy Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: It's changing, but North American's are generally not serious about the climate if they have to pay for it. Doesn't matter whether it's building materials, how we heat/cool our homes, or our choice of vehicles. Like most purchasing decisions we make the perceived value of that purchase and your financial position will influence those choices. Beyond the impact to our wallets and debatable concerns of what carbon tax does to an economy, there is little argument to not try and evolve to a cleaner society. Affordability for many is the reality though and is going to dictate the support for that. And for what it's worth.... our energy grid is probably a little more robust than the US's, but an infrastructure concern for both as the electrification of the world evolves. Not as fast as the liberals want it, the 20 % ev production is not a well thought out policy, it's got the wacky old environment gibault all over it ....and as for the fines, for missing that goal...they will pass that on to the consumer, who we have already discussed just are not going to pay for that crap...and if they move production to the US, well donald wins, thousands of jobs lost, we pay more for a car/truck, and we are further behind... comparing our grid to theirs is a non starter, our grid is not going to be able to handle the increased demand....getting the provinces to agree on just lifting inter provincial tariffs is not gaining much traction, and getting an energy corridor is mission impossible, nobody wants to play on a team, they want to play for their province...It all boils down to this we need to be united if any of this is going to work...and this is Canada and we don't do that well, unless it is hockey... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
LinkSoul60 Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Not as fast as the liberals want it, the 20 % ev production is not a well thought out policy, it's got the wacky old environment gibault all over it ....and as for the fines, for missing that goal...they will pass that on to the consumer, who we have already discussed just are not going to pay for that crap...and if they move production to the US, well donald wins, thousands of jobs lost, we pay more for a car/truck, and we are further behind... comparing our grid to theirs is a non starter, our grid is not going to be able to handle the increased demand....getting the provinces to agree on just lifting inter provincial tariffs is not gaining much traction, and getting an energy corridor is mission impossible, nobody wants to play on a team, they want to play for their province...It all boils down to this we need to be united if any of this is going to work...and this is Canada and we don't do that well, unless it is hockey... Canada is seeing a faster rate of adoption to EV than the US but our goals as you note, are not achievable in the time frame laid out. Will be interesting to see what the government does with the new lobbying but can't imagine they'll willingly let auto jobs go to the US because of an unrealistic production target. Sure as hell hope not! There is more concern for the US grid than ours because of the aging infrastructure. Don't know exact status of inter-provincial trade talks but thought that essentially every level of governments were on-board to make it happen with lesser hurdles and are working toward. End of the day and even if the EV production goals are level set to today's reality, both countries need to upgrade our energy infrastructures to accommodate future demand....and that doesn't mean just a pipeline. 1 Quote
herbie Posted July 7, 2025 Author Report Posted July 7, 2025 Makers just can't meet those targets. With their usual pointing of fingers at the customers not buying them. Not because they simply will not make what the customers want. HINT - it's not $130,000 F150 Lightnings and GMC Hummers. Push the deadlines back 1 single year and add HYBRIDS into the EV percentage. We'll see if the return of the Chevy Bolt and some actual price reductions from volume production affect the mix. And offset EV incentives with a $1000 ICE only carbon tax. Quote
CdnFox Posted July 7, 2025 Report Posted July 7, 2025 29 minutes ago, herbie said: Makers just can't meet those targets. With their usual pointing of fingers at the customers not buying them. Not because they simply will not make what the customers want. HINT - it's not $130,000 F150 Lightnings and GMC Hummers. Push the deadlines back 1 single year and add HYBRIDS into the EV percentage. We'll see if the return of the Chevy Bolt and some actual price reductions from volume production affect the mix. And offset EV incentives with a $1000 ICE only carbon tax. Yeah automakers have said they don't want anything to do with this. And the customers are not buying new vehicles of any ev type these days In any number that would suggest that they should be building those Vehicles. This is just another failure on the left 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
SpankyMcFarland Posted July 13, 2025 Report Posted July 13, 2025 (edited) I’m not sure everybody grasps the scale of the challenge we face. For example, the Chinese car and battery maker BYD has a million, with an ‘m’, employees and more than 100,000 engineers. I’m seeing elegant-looking BYD cars in Europe already and they are a huge part of the South-East Asian market. Quote On December 29, Wang Chuanfu, Founder and Chairman of BYD, shared that BYDnow has nearly 1 million employees, 11 major research institutes, and 110,000 engineers, making it the automaker with the most R&D personnel in the world, at the first China Innovation and Technology Festival hosted by China Central Television. BYD applies for 32 patents on average per working day. https://carnewschina.com/2024/12/30/byd-has-the-most-rd-personnel-as-an-automaker-and-nearly-110000-engineers-ceo-says/ https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/26/cars/china-byd-profile-tesla-rival-intl-hnk Ditto in AI: Quote Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang said today that China is not behind the United States in artificial intelligence development, citing the large number of Chinese researchers contributing to the field. https://mlq.ai/news/jensen-huang-china-is-not-behind-the-us-in-ai-development/ Edited July 13, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
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