Have Trump and his ICE agents become a terrifying Fascist state?

[Aristides]

10 minutes ago, User said:

You don't compete at all in Canada with dairy products; that was the point. No joke there. 

What exactly is it you think I am believing here?

You assured us that you do support immigration laws and deportations of those here illegally. Right?

Why do you keep running from this question?

Bullshit. Canada imports over twice as much dairy from the US than it exports to the US.

I support due process. You and other MAGAT's don't. 

Edited Friday at 02:08 PM by Aristides

[User]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

I support due process. You and other MAGAT's don't. 

LOL, why do you keep running and hiding from this simple question?

"due process" is nothing but a vague and meaningless term being thrown around by folks like you. 

[Aristides]

Just now, User said:

LOL, why do you keep running and hiding from this simple question?

"due process" is nothing but a vague and meaningless term being thrown around by folks like you. 

Due process means you get to go in front of a judge, not get arrested and deported when you show up at the appointed time.

 

[User]

30 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Due process means you get to go in front of a judge, not get arrested and deported when you show up at the appointed time.

 

The illegal immigrants getting arrested and deported are here illegally. This has been explained to you and others many times now, that the Biden administration chose to ignore the law and just let people "check in" even though they are here illegally. 

They are now arrested and going through the lawful deportation process with all the due process that affords. 

 

[Matthew]

 

41 minutes ago, User said:

"due process" is nothing but a vague and meaningless term

Maybe the stupidest thing you've ever said, which is a mighty high bar. 

Edited Friday at 02:50 PM by Matthew

[User]

5 minutes ago, Matthew said:

 

Maybe the stupidest thing you've ever said, which is a mighty high bar. 

No, it is an accurate description of the dishonest use of the phrase. 

"Due process" != years of court battles and ACLU law suits for each of every 20 million + illegal immigrants here. 

We have laws, we have due process, when someone is literally observed jumping the border wall, Border Patrol agents do not have to spend the next 2 years of their lives in court to deport someone with endless lawsuits and appeals. 

They get expedited removal, which IS due process. We have immigration courts where judges do review these cases and quickly send people on their way back to where they came from. 

 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, User said:

"due process" is nothing but a vague and meaningless term being thrown around by folks like you.

That is the stupidest thing I think I have ever heard from you.

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What is due process?

A core principle of the U.S. government is that all people have the right to fair treatment under the law. Due process of law, enshrined in the Fifth and 14th Amendments, requires the government to provide a person with notice and an opportunity to make their case in court before depriving them of life, liberty, or property.

Due process protects us from the arbitrary exercise of government power. It is the reason that police and prosecutors must prove that they had probable cause to arrest a person, that the government cannot arbitrarily cut off someone’s public housing or food assistance, and that civil court processes must be followed before the state can terminate a parent’s rights.

Are immigrants entitled to due process when facing deportation?

Yes. The Fifth and 14th Amendments’ due process clauses protect every person within U.S. borders, regardless of immigration status. The Supreme Court recently reaffirmed this, ruling that immigrants facing deportation under the Alien Enemies Act are entitled to the opportunity to challenge the legality of their detention before removal. The Court cited its ruling in Reno v. Flores, a 1993 case where Justice Antonin Scalia wrote, “it is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles [immigrants] to due process of law.”

This means that a person accused of being in the country without authorization should have the right to a fair trial in immigration court. People should have a chance to see and challenge the evidence against them. This can prevent harmful injustices and the unchecked use of government power to detain, deport, and disappear people—many of whom are seeking safety and may have the right to stay rooted in their community.

Has the immigration system ever ensured immigrants due process?

Unfortunately, in practice, deprivations of due process have long been routine and have occurred on a massive scale in our immigration legal system—leading to many examples of gross miscarriages of justice.

People facing deportation are not entitled to a court-appointed attorney if they cannot afford one. This differs from criminal court, where the Sixth Amendment of the Constitution guarantees all people the right to an attorney whether they can afford one or not. Legal representation is expensive, and far too many people in immigration court face deportation proceedings without an attorney to protect their rights. In fact, an estimated 70 percent of people held in immigration detention on deportation cases opened in the past three years are unrepresented in their proceedings. Because immigration law is notoriously complex, many people who could have established a legal right to remain in the United States with the help of an attorney are instead deported to countries where they face real danger.

Legal representation is fundamental to delivering due process. Lawyers serve as a critical check on claims made by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), ensuring that the government is following the rules and accurately interpreting the law. For example, lawyers frequently find that U.S. citizens have been unlawfully detained by ICE or that green card holders may face detention based on ICE’s erroneous application of the law. They identify when someone has legal relief from deportation and help people—including children, people who have mental health conditions, and Indigenous language speakers with limited translators available—present complex claims for the judge to consider.

In a new threat to due process, the Trump administration is bypassing immigration courts to deport people without a fair hearing.

President Trump’s mass detention and deportation agenda significantly escalates threats to due process by claiming that immigrants are not entitled to due process or a hearing at all. Trump has gone so far as to say that “you can’t have a trial for all of these people,” referring to immigrants facing separation from their families and expulsion to countries where they may face dangerous circumstances.

President Trump issued executive orders early in his second term that bypass immigration courts in many instances by expanding expedited removal, a process that allows the Department of Homeland Security to detain and deport someone without a hearing before an immigration judge. Although past administrations also used this policy, the Trump administration has supercharged the harm by expanding who is subjected to it and deploying significant resources to deport people without going through the court system.

In mid-March, President Trump invoked the wartime Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to allow his administration to deport people who are accused—oftentimes with little or no evidence—of being associated with the Venezuela-based Tren de Aragua gang without giving them the opportunity to appear before a judge. Hundreds of people, most with no criminal record, have been sent to Centro de Confinamiento del Terrorismo (CECOT)— a Salvadoran prison with a history of human rights abuses—without the opportunity to defend themselves against the accusations or to prove they have the legal right to remain in the United States. In many cases, the government’s accusations rest on nothing beyond innocuous tattoos honoring family and soccer. Andry Hernandez Romero, an asylum seeker from Venezuela whose tattoos depict crowns over the words “mom” and “dad,” was deported to CECOT with no chance to defend himself in court. Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, a Maryland father with protected legal status, was also wrongfully deported and placed in CECOT.

Although the Trump administration has since admitted Abrego Garcia’s deportation was an “administrative error,” it has made no effort to return him to his family. Frustrated by the Supreme Court’s affirmation that immigrants targeted under the Alien Enemies Act have a right to challenge their detention through a writ of habeas corpus, the Trump administration is reportedly considering suspending access to habeas corpus—an extraordinary measure that is only permitted “in cases of rebellion or invasion.”

For those in immigration court, the Trump administration has made it even harder to access legal counsel.

Even people who are not subjected to expedited removal will face an immigration court system with a significantly undermined ability to provide even a minimum of due process. The Trump administration’s expanded use of detention and rapid deportations will drastically reduce the likelihood that people will be able to secure legal representation to help them navigate their case.

Lawyers and the immigrant defense infrastructure that has grown over decades to protect immigrants’ rights has also come under attack. Trump has issued an executive order accusing immigration attorneys of fraud and threatening them with investigations and sanctions. He has also gutted funding for critical legal services that help people facing detention and deportation. The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) ordered legal service providers to cease work on critical programs including the Legal Orientation Program, the Immigration Court Helpdesk, the Family Group Legal Orientation Program, the Counsel for Children Initiative, and the National Qualified Representative Program—which represents people in detention who a judge has determined cannot competently represent themselves because of mental illness. The Office of Refugee Resettlement has also canceled the Unaccompanied Children Program, which was representing 26,000 children who arrived to the United States without a parent.

The cancellation of these bipartisan-supported, longstanding, and successful programs is being contested in litigation. Nevertheless, threats to these programs leave hundreds of thousands of people—including children—without access to the basic legal information and representation necessary to navigate complex court processes. It has also forced layoffs of hundreds of committed and experienced nonprofit legal services staff, weakening a growing field that has already struggled to meet the overwhelming demand for services.

The Trump administration has further proposed record funding for an unprecedented expansion of immigration detention by using federal prisons, military bases, the detention facility in Guantánamo Bay. None of these facilities are set up to house people who need routine access to counsel to prepare for court proceedings, adding even greater barriers for people targeted for deportation to find and communicate with an attorney.

Finally, Trump has fired or laid off dozens of immigration judges and court staff at a time when the immigration court backlog is at historic highs and he seeks to put even more people through deportation hearings. The remaining judges face even larger dockets, with directives from DOJ requiring them to terminate certain asylum claims without a hearing and consider more cases at a faster pace, resulting in an expedited process that deprives people of a meaningful opportunity to be heard.

Due process is essential.

The Constitution and our constitutional system apply to all people in the United States, regardless of where they were born. At a bare minimum, people facing deportation should be able to understand what they are accused of and be able to examine and challenge evidence, in a language they understand, alongside a trained advocate who can decipher complex immigration laws. Due process is essential to safeguard our country’s fundamental democratic values as we work to advance immigration policies that respect fairness, family unity, and human dignity.

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What Does “Due Process” Mean for Immigrants and Why Is It Important? | Vera Institute

 

[User]

Just now, blackbird said:

That is the stupidest thing I think I have ever heard from you.

Can you stop spamming the forum and are you ever going to respond and own up to your lies from yesterday?

 

[Matthew]

15 minutes ago, User said:

We have immigration courts where judges do review these cases

If you've been paying attention you'd know that Trump has been chipping away at immigration courts and trying to bypass them entirely. The whole point of due process in a law-based society is to prevent capricious behavior by those in power. If person can be arrested, declared illegal, declared a gang member etc and then immediately sent off to a concentation camp in a foreign puppet dictatorship, that's what no due process looks like and is fairly close to the current situation. 

[User]

2 minutes ago, Matthew said:

If you've been paying attention you'd know that Trump has been chipping away at immigration courts and trying to bypass them entirely. The whole point of due process in a law-based society is to prevent capricious behavior by those in power. If person can be arrested, declared illegal, declared a gang member etc and then immediately sent off to a concentation camp in a foreign puppet dictatorship, that's what no due process looks like and is fairly close to the current situation. 

Well... when we have an administration like the Biden administration and other local entities and states that are engaged in caprisious behavior to subvert our immigration laws, I am all for Trump finding every legal way to fix the mess and madness the Democrats have created. 

Which is exactly why your screaming for "due process" is little more than a ruse to keep this madness in place, speaking of capricious behavior. 

The Alien Enemies Act was created for extreme circumstances, like these, that are tantamount to invasion, which is exactly why Trump used it as he did. 

 

[Nationalist]

Libbies...this is very simple.

The law surrounding illegal entry to the USA is grounds for immediate deportation. THAT is the law.

It is also true that "asylum seekers" need apply for asylum in the first nation they "escape" to. That would not be the USA...in most cases...

Edited Friday at 04:24 PM by Nationalist

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

That’s all you got?

That's my line. 

What exactly was your point? What are you trying to say?

There are fewer things more low brow and ignorant than just posting a story and saying "HERE! READ THIS AND SOMEWHERE IN THERE IF YOU LOOK HARD ENOUGH IS MY POINT,  I READ THE WHOLE THING AND SO SHUD YOO DERP!!!"

Why don't you learn to use your OWN words, and other people's words can be something you refer to instead of being your argument. We're all capable of looking things up to read, if all you're excited about is you found an article on the internet then congrats, you've achieved the skill levels of a 7 year old.  If there was some POINT you wanted to make... try making your point and linking to documents that support your point. At least we'd know what the hell you're trying to say 

Some ídiot somewhere said something once.  That's nice. Shall i start posting random links to random articles for you and you can guess what i was thinking? or in your case NOT thinking at all?

[CdnFox]

59 minutes ago, Matthew said:

If you've been paying attention you'd know that Trump has been chipping away at immigration courts and trying to bypass them entirely. The whole point of due process in a law-based society is to prevent capricious behavior by those in power. If person can be arrested, declared illegal, declared a gang member etc and then immediately sent off to a concentation camp in a foreign puppet dictatorship, that's what no due process looks like and is fairly close to the current situation. 

You're grossly exaggerating. The law and due process does allow for this for those who are less than 2 years in the country. And while trump has been pushing the limits he's not bypassing the law entirely at all.

The judges have said in cases where you know the person is going to be deported back to a prison or the like then the process needs to be longer but generally speaking they haven't had a problem with the vast majority of the deportations.

You guys are waving around the term due process like you just heard it yesterday and you're so excited to have a new term to play with. But you must remember the deportation is not punishment. If the government punishes somebody the processes must be different, if the government seeks to imprison somebody then the process must be different, but if all they're doing is escorting them off the property then they still absolutely have access to do process from their country of origin and they can apply to either be admitted or to make a case as to why they are already legal or whatever they want to do.

There can be no doubt that trump is trying to give the absolute minimum amount of due process that he possibly can and still be lawful and sometimes he's put a foot over that line with certain individual cases, but by and large there are no mass examples of people being denied due process at all if you understand what due process is

[Matthew]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You're grossly exaggerating. The law and due process does allow for this for those who are less than 2 years in the country.

If trump is allowed to bypass the immigration courts entirely, as he has been trying to do for months, then who is to know how long someone has been in the country? With no judicial oversight of their process, what's to stop them from next sending US citizens to these foreign concentration camps? 

[taxme]

On 6/7/2025 at 4:28 PM, blackbird said:

He's being charged for something.  Trump says he will deport him.  That should make you happy.   You sound like a MAGA guy.

"Jong-Fast, who frequently comments about Trump, was asked by the host about the "indiscriminate nature" of Trump's second-term immigration raids, which have resulted in several protests.

"Look, there are unintended consequences are going to be sort of, I hope not, but I think there are a lot of unintended consequences for every Trump action, right," she replied. "Like for example, I mean, I was just listening to your block before this about the steel tariffs. So the steel tariffs are actually cutting American manufacturing, right. The due process stuff. They say they can't bring a Garcia back. Well now they brought him back. So you know this administration keeps sort of having... it kind of can't get itself together."

She added, "And so it does things like this which ultimately end up having tons of unintended consequences."

Jong-Fast then suggested voters could turn on the GOP over the backfires."

Trump put on notice over 'tons of unintended consequences' from his latest moves

He seems irrational and extremely unpredictable.  Lots of what he does has resulted in court action against what he is doing.  A court just ruled against him prohibiting foreign students from attending Harvard University.

 

Garcia is a criminal pos. This is just another prime example of judicial lieberal/democrat communist activism. Trump has every right to do what he is doing to rid the country of all illegals, good and bad. Unfortunately for Canada. many thousands of those illegals are now coming to Canada for asylum. It is our turn to get screwed. Gawd dam liberalism. 👎

[blackbird]

19 minutes ago, taxme said:

Trump has every right to do what he is doing to rid the country of all illegals, good and bad.

Unfortunately it seems you don't understand that people, documented or undocumented, have certain rights in the U.S. and Canada.  Those are Constitutional rights and legal rights.  What you are supporting is something like Hitler's Naziism or Stalin's Communism.  Those systems did not recognize human rights of any kind and just crushed everyone they wished.  BE CAREFUL FOR WHAT YOU WISH FOR.  Loss of human rights and Constitutional rights may be coming sooner than you think.

 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Matthew said:

If trump is allowed to bypass the immigration courts entirely, as he has been trying to do for months, then who is to know how long someone has been in the country?

Immigration system is not bypassed, there may be a fast track here but it's still a process. They don't pick them up today in the morning and drop them off in their original country in the evening. 

But if they are put outside the country while they actually do have absolute lawful excuse to be in the country then they still have recourse. They can re-enter the country by using the courts and they can sue for any damages.

But the reality is that so far of all of the people that have actually been deported I haven't heard of a single case of anyone claiming that they were actually entirely lawfully in the US at the time they were deported.

Again you're kind of sounding like there's no process and that is not accurate. There is a very fast process that I believe takes like a month or less but there is still a process.

And to spend that out of control and suggest that this means that American citizens will be sent to foreign concentration camps it's just silly.

 

[taxme]

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Unfortunately it seems you don't understand that people, documented or undocumented, have certain rights in the U.S. and Canada.  Those are Constitutional rights and legal rights.  What you are supporting is something like Hitler's Naziism or Stalin's Communism.  Those systems did not recognize human rights of any kind and just crushed everyone they wished.  BE CAREFUL FOR WHAT YOU WISH FOR.  Loss of human rights and Constitutional rights may be coming sooner than you think.

 

 

All Illegals have no rights. They are not citizen's, they are illegals and they have committed and violated the American immigration policies which is a crime to do so. No one who enters Canada or America illegally have any rights because they are not citizen's of either countries. They have committed a crime. Why can't you not figure that one out? 

The democrats/lieberals have committed an act of treason by allowing those millions of illegals to have rights and freedoms that they do not deserve or have a right too. By you supporting illegals to enter the country illegally shows that you could careless about our Canadian or American immigration laws. Just let the whole world walk right on in and spend hundreds of billions of our tax dollars on illegals who should not be here in the first bloody place. 

You should be careful of what you are trying to support here and wish for. In Canada our Charter of Rights and freedoms and even our constitution does not really exist anymore. It is liberalism and socialism that have removed any and all rights and freedoms that we use to have. We may just end up with living in a Stalinist like country where you will have no more rights and freedoms. Just more big government, more taxes and less freedom. It's time for American and Canadian people to care more about their country than the rest of the world. Let the rest of the world solve their own problems and stop trying to blow my tax dollars on people who do not belong here. It's time for some tough love, baby. 🤗

[User]

2 hours ago, Matthew said:

If trump is allowed to bypass the immigration courts entirely, as he has been trying to do for months, then who is to know how long someone has been in the country? With no judicial oversight of their process, what's to stop them from next sending US citizens to these foreign concentration camps? 

What does this even mean?

This is such absurd nonsense. The US has already long been able to use expedited removals without having to go before a judge. If the border patrol watches someone jump the fence at the border, they deport the person right back. 

They don't get an immigration hearing. 

Trump doesn't have to try to bypass the immigration courts. This mechanism already exists. 

 

 

[herbie]

Kill them graveyard dead..... good old fashioned PIG speaks

 

[User]

54 minutes ago, herbie said:

Kill them graveyard dead..... good old fashioned PIG speaks

Did you support the Officer at the Capitol shooting Ashli Babbitt?

 

 

[Matthew]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

All Illegals have no rights. They are not citizen's

"nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."  (14th Amendment)

[blackbird]

What we have are people that post nonsense about arbitrarily depriving other people of their basic human rights.  But if that ever happened to them, they would be the first to cry fowl.   That would be ironic ...and hypocritical.    Isn't it strange how everyone expects their own rights to be respected, but if there is an issue involving blue and red politics, they forget about human rights to try to win an argument.   Respect for individual rights is not a party thing or a left versus right thing.  It is pure respect for other people's lives and rights.

[Aristides]

10 hours ago, User said:

The illegal immigrants getting arrested and deported are here illegally. This has been explained to you and others many times now, that the Biden administration chose to ignore the law and just let people "check in" even though they are here illegally. 

They are now arrested and going through the lawful deportation process with all the due process that affords. 

 

The law says they have the right to request asylum before a judge. MAGAT's have no use for laws that might get in their way. A lot of these people are already in the immigration system and had actual court dates, It is MAGAT's who are ignoring the law.

[User]

14 hours ago, Aristides said:

The law says they have the right to request asylum before a judge. MAGAT's have no use for laws that might get in their way. A lot of these people are already in the immigration system and had actual court dates, It is MAGAT's who are ignoring the law.

No, that is not what the law says at all. 

If someone jumps the border fence in front of a Border Patrol agent and then screams asylum, there are asylum officers who will quickly screen them to determine if their request has any merit or not, and if not, quickly send them on their way back to deportation. 

There are also rules around the timing and location as well as interpretations on what Aslyum means. 

Once again, the folks being arrested at their court check ins, were not there with valid asylum claims to have their asylum hearings... these were known illegal immigrants Biden was ignoring and letting check in.