Have Trump and his ICE agents become a terrifying Fascist state?

[blackbird]

6 minutes ago, User said:

This is another lie. 

Only one person died that day because of the violence, and it was Ashli Babbitt who the Capitol Police shot. 

No, wrong.  This Snopes report says it appears four died as a result of the Jan. 6th riot.

"

After order was restored to the Capitol, D.C. Police Chief Robert Conte held a news conference providing a first report on the day's casualties. Four people, including the woman who was shot, had died. This number would rise to five by the week's end.

"One adult female and two adult males appear to have suffered from separate medical emergencies, which resulted in their deaths," Conte said.

At the time of this reporting, the identities of these four individuals has been publicly confirmed by law enforcement. 

The Washington Post and other outlets had previously identified the woman who was shot as 35-year-old Ashli Babbitt, describing her as "a California native and Air Force veteran [who] had used her social media to express fervent support for President Trump and echo many of the president's conspiracy theories and false claims of mass voter fraud." This fact was confirmed by Conte during a press conference the following day.

At that second press conference, Conte identified the other three fatalities as well: Benjamin Phillips, 50, from Greentown, Pennsylvania; Kevin Greeson, 55, from Athens, Alabama; and Roseanne Boyland, 34 of Kennesaw, Georgia. According to reporting from Alabama.com, Greeson's son said his father died of a heart attack. 

There were unconfirmed reports, echoed by at least one journalist who was on the ground (who later deleted the tweet), that one of the adult males included in this tally died of a heart attack after accidentally tasing himself. Snopes has determined that although one man did die of a heart attack, reports that a taser was involved were false.  

On Jan. 8, 2021, the Associated Press confirmed a fifth death: that of Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick, who died "from injuries suffered during the riot," AP reported. However, a medical examiner's report released in April 2021 said Sicknick suffered strokes and died of natural causes."

Did 5 People Die During Jan. 6 Capitol Riot? | Snopes.com

9 minutes ago, User said:

Yes, I can believe you completely ignored the facts like you typically do on here. 

Here you go again:

"The smaller estimates are that around 50,000 people went to WDC on the 6th and listened to Trump. Of those about 10,000 then marched to the Capitol. Of those, only about 2,000 went inside the Capitol. Of those only about 700 were engaged in any level of violenec, which includes merely touching law enforcement. Only a couple hundred were engaged in any real levels of violence. 

So, enough of your stupid bullshit lies. 

Jan 6th was "mostly peaceful"

This is another lie. 

Only one person died that day because of the violence, and it was Ashli Babbitt who the Capitol Police shot. 

 

I corrected that from another Snopes fact check article.  Four people died as result of the riot.

[blackbird]

8 minutes ago, User said:

You are nothing but a lousy pathetic liar. YOU brought it up:

"Unlike the January 6 riots at the Capitol, the protests in Los Angeles were largely peaceful. "

That was in a news article I quote.  It is likely a fact that the number of people protesting, which is likely in the thousands, were peaceful.  Likely it meant the percentage of people that protested were a large percentage were peaceful.

It says "largely peaceful".     No lie in that.

[User]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

No, wrong.  This Snopes report says it appears four died as a result of the Jan. 6th riot.

Learn how to read. 

Snopes is merely saying 5 people died there, not that 5 people died as you claimed: "Five people died as a result"

The mere fact that someone had a heart attack while there that day doesn't mean it was "as a result" of what happened. 

They would just as much had a heart attack walking to their fridge to get some more shit food while home. 

You are trying to dishonestly argue as if they died because of the violence. 

At the end of the day, you are just a fundamentally dishonest person. 

 

Just now, blackbird said:

That was in a news article I quote.  It is likely a fact that the number of people protesting, which is likely in the thousands, were peaceful.  Likely it meant the percentage of people that protested were a large percentage were peaceful.

It says "largely peaceful".     No lie in that.

Can you ever be honest? Ever?

You just got done saying I brought up J6 when it was YOU who did. 

 

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, blackbird said:

No I haven't.   I don't support fascism.  Why do you?  You may lose democratic rights and human rights if you go that route.  

Everyone's rights have to be respected and defended otherwise everyone's rights may be lost.

You're a day late and a dollar short, blackbird. We already had fascism here, and it was far worse form of it than anything that criminals in the US are facing.

The majority of Canadians didn't care. 

16 hours ago, blackbird said:

No, 270 were sent to CECOT torture / death prison.

That doesn't count how many others were arbitrary just deported to other places without due process.

How many of them belonged there? 269?

How many came form prisons? Or should have been headed there, but were offered the chance to leave for America instead? 

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

That is misinformation you are spreading.  Claiming Biden let in 10M people is fake news, which has been debunked by Meta-PolitiFact

1) Politifaked DOES NOT DEBUNK, blackbird, it's a propaganda outlet. It is 100% propaganda, period. 

2) 10M is a rough estimate because no one knows how many people got in illegally. Maybe it's 8.6, maybe 11.2. No one knows because a lot of people get in undetected. 

[gatomontes99]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Another lie.  I never said anywhere I support violence in LA or anywhere else.  You falsely accuse me of using inflammatory rhetoric.   I never did.  Saying that deportation without due process is fascism is reasonable comment.  Quit lying.

Have you denounced the riots? Because later in this post you went on to make excuses for them.

Yes, calling Trump a fascist is inflammatory rhetoric. Trump exhibits zero traits of a fascist regime. As was pointed out in other threads fascists don't: 

• Cut taxes
• Reduce the size of government
• End wars
• Create new trade agreements with friendly and adversarial regimes
• Hold fair elections
• Abide by elections that are clearly flawed
• Promote small business
• Reduce penalties for minorities

You are the one that is lying. You are the one using fascism as if it is defined by the emotion it elicits in you rather than the true definition. 

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Unlike the January 6 riots at the Capitol, the protests in Los Angeles were largely peaceful.

You want to call me a liar and the  post this? That is rich!

Is this just a peaceful bonfire?

And they were just helping these cops collect bricks and broken scooters by throwing them off a bridge at them?

And these fireworks are just in celebration of their successful demonstration?

The admin isn't breaking the law. I posted the law. Expedited removal is acceptable for aliens here without papers for up to two years. You posted that the administration can have hearings in absentia and that that was an Obama era policy. Every time you say that Trump is breaking the law, you are knowingly misrepresenting reality. That is the true definition of lying. Not the emotional definition of "I dont like what you said" that you are using. 

 

 

 

Edited June 11, 2025 by gatomontes99

[gatomontes99]

Oh look. They are here remodeling a delivery van.

 

 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Have you denounced the riots? Because later in this post you went on to make excuses for them.

Lying again.  I never condoned any riots and never made excuses for them.

People have the right to peaceful protests and most of the people are likely peaceful protesters.

Rioters may have moved in now and causing mayhem.  But I never condoned that.  A small number of rioters can cause a lot of trouble.  That has always been the case.

  The subject was not about the riots.  Why try to shift to a different topic?   

The subject is the deportation without due process.  That was the topic.  The fact there are rioters causing mayhem does not detract or prove that many people are not being deported without due process.  The rioting does not mean what Trump is doing is right.

Edited June 11, 2025 by blackbird

[robosmith]

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The Dems let in 10M people, and "270 of them were kicked out without due process". That's 0.0027% of them. One in every 37,000 people.

How many of those 270 people have gang tattoos on their face or neck?

257?

You've become an old lady now blackbird. 

Who was the OFFICALLY LEGAL determiner of whether tattoos were "gang tattoos"?

Was that like when Trump held up a photoshop of Garcia's knuckles with the perfectly printed "MS13"? LMAO 

[robosmith]

17 hours ago, blackbird said:

You apparently don't know what is going on or are pretending you don't know.

 

Several reporters on the scene were shot with rubber bullets and one lost a lot of blood.

[robosmith]

17 hours ago, blackbird said:

"

On Wednesday, January 29th the Laken Riley Act was signed into law after the House approved the bill the same day. The act in question allows undocumented immigrants accused of certain crimes to be detained and deported prior to conviction or any legal process. Once in effect, it will permanently change the legal traditions of the U.S.

Both citizens and non-citizens residing in the United States, regardless of legal status, have rights by law for a timely and fair trial or review as per the fifth and sixth amendments of the Constitution. This law takes that right away from undocumented immigrants accused of specific crimes. The law represents the first legislative victory of President Trump’s second term in office."

Undocumented Immigrants to be Deported Without Due Process Per Laken Riley Act » ImmigrationUSA

It is likely a violation of Habeas Corpus rights guaranteed by the Constitution to "all persons."

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

@blackbird...

As you have learned, this whole argument about "due process" is garbage. Sh1t flung at the wall in hopes it sticks...which it hasn't.

I understand your feelings on the subject. But the relevant laws are being adhered to. And you are going to have to accept that big problems require big solutions. This is not "fascist"...it's "common sense".

You don't know CRAP about what's going on here. The SCOTUS ruled 9-0 that Garcia be returned and that finally convinced TACO Trump.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Seriously???   Can't believe you would say that.   1270 people were convicted as a result of the Jan. 6th riots.   Five people died as a result and you say it was "mostly peaceful".  

There were probably 10,000 people at the Jan 6th riot and most of them were NOT CONVICTED.

But 8000 being peaceful DOES NOT justify the 2000 who committed FELONIES.

[gatomontes99]

36 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Lying again.  I never condoned any riots and never made excuses for them.

People have the right to peaceful protests and most of the people are likely peaceful protesters.

Rioters may have moved in now and causing mayhem.  But I never condoned that.  A small number of rioters can cause a lot of trouble.  That has always been the case.

  The subject was not about the riots.  Why try to shift to a different topic?   

The subject is the deportation without due process.  That was the topic.  The fact there are rioters causing mayhem does not detract or prove that many people are not being deported without due process.  The rioting does not mean what Trump is doing is right.

You keep trying to call them peaceful protestors. They are not peaceful. That is you, making excuses for them.

As for due process, I have proven you are wrong. I cant make you accept that. The law is what it is and you either accept it or you don't. 

The reality here is not that you are upset by the law or by people being deported. You are upset because "Orange Man Bad."

 

[User]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

There were probably 10,000 people at the Jan 6th riot and most of them were NOT CONVICTED.

But 8000 being peaceful DOES NOT justify the 2000 who committed FELONIES.

2,000 did not commit felonies. 

You. Are. A. Liar. 

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

You don't know CRAP about what's going on here. The SCOTUS ruled 9-0 that Garcia be returned and that finally convinced TACO Trump.

That was not the ruling, they ruled that the administration must facilitate his return, but not the methods as they punted that back down to the lower court to decide. 

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

It is likely a violation of Habeas Corpus rights guaranteed by the Constitution to "all persons."

How so? Just a baseless assertion. 

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Several reporters on the scene were shot with rubber bullets and one lost a lot of blood.

OK. And? 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The subject is the deportation without due process.  That was the topic.  The fact there are rioters causing mayhem does not detract or prove that many people are not being deported without due process.  The rioting does not mean what Trump is doing is right.

The only group you can point to that did not "really" get any due process were those couple hundred deported under the Alien Enemies Act. 

That is it. 

So, what do you base saying "many people" are being deported without due process? Who? What are your numbers?

 

[blackbird]

30 minutes ago, User said:

So, what do you base saying "many people" are being deported without due process? Who? What are your numbers?

I already gave you the information in a link.  You must not read what I post.  I will repeat it here.

"Since 2014, an unprecedented surge of in absentia removal orders has resulted in the deportation of tens of thousands of noncitizens, often at the expense of due process.[1] The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) permits an immigration judge to order a noncitizen removed in absentia—that is, “in the absence” of the noncitizen—if the government establishes by clear, unequivocal, and convincing evidence that a written notice, called a notice to appear (NTA), was provided to the noncitizen and that the noncitizen is removable.[2] Since the Obama Administration, the Executive Branch has ordered immigration officers and judges to initiate and adjudicate removal claims rapidly.[3] This pressure to close cases has led immigration judges to issue an endless amount of in absentia removal orders against noncitizens without due process: proper notice and the opportunity to participate in their hearings. [4] As one former immigration judge explained, “issuing a removal order in absentia can serve as a low-pressure way for immigration judges to meet quotas and for the immigration court system to chug along, hoping that due process failures in in absentia cases will not actually be challenged or exposed.”[5] The result: year after year, thousands of noncitizens are stunned to learn that they are being deported without ever having known that a hearing took place."

The ICE Trap: Deportation Without Due Process | UCLA Law Review

[User]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I already gave you the information in a link.  You must not read what I post.  I will repeat it here.

That doesn't provide any numbers for your claim and it is subjectively saying "often" at the expense of due process... after it goes on to outline the due process with judges involved. 

Once again, your notion of "due process" seems to be some kind of never ending appeals and court process, sorry, but that is not the definition of due process. 

 

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, User said:

That doesn't provide any numbers for your claim and it is subjectively saying "often" at the expense of due process... after it goes on to outline the due process with judges involved. 

Once again, your notion of "due process" seems to be some kind of never ending appeals and court process, sorry, but that is not the definition of due process. 

 

I do not have the actual numbers of people deprived of due process before being deported.  I think we can assume the numbers are huge under Trump if you read the information available.  Not sure why but you don't seem to do any searches or read anything that is available to anyone on the internet.  There are countless articles out there.  Maybe you can find how many are being deported without due process and tell me and give the source.

quote

In a new threat to due process, the Trump administration is bypassing immigration courts to deport people without a fair hearing.

President Trump’s mass detention and deportation agenda significantly escalates threats to due process by claiming that immigrants are not entitled to due process or a hearing at all. Trump has gone so far as to say that “you can’t have a trial for all of these people,” referring to immigrants facing separation from their families and expulsion to countries where they may face dangerous circumstances.

President Trump issued executive orders early in his second term that bypass immigration courts in many instances by expanding expedited removal, a process that allows the Department of Homeland Security to detain and deport someone without a hearing before an immigration judge. Although past administrations also used this policy, the Trump administration has supercharged the harm by expanding who is subjected to it and deploying significant resources to deport people without going through the court system.

In mid-March, President Trump invoked the wartime Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to allow his administration to deport people who are accused—oftentimes with little or no evidence—of being associated with the Venezuela-based Tren de Aragua gang without giving them the opportunity to appear before a judge. Hundreds of people, most with no criminal record, have been sent to Centro de Confinamiento del Terrorismo (CECOT)— a Salvadoran prison with a history of human rights abuses—without the opportunity to defend themselves against the accusations or to prove they have the legal right to remain in the United States. In many cases, the government’s accusations rest on nothing beyond innocuous tattoos honoring family and soccer. Andry Hernandez Romero, an asylum seeker from Venezuela whose tattoos depict crowns over the words “mom” and “dad,” was deported to CECOT with no chance to defend himself in court. Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, a Maryland father with protected legal status, was also wrongfully deported and placed in CECOT.

What Does “Due Process” Mean for Immigrants and Why Is It Important? | Vera Institute

Edited June 11, 2025 by blackbird

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

You don't know CRAP about what's going on here. The SCOTUS ruled 9-0 that Garcia be returned and that finally convinced TACO Trump.

And he'll b3 sent right back to jail.

[User]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I do not have the actual numbers of people deprived of due process before being deported.  I think we can assume the numbers are huge under Trump if you read the information available.  Not sure why but you don't seem to do any searches or read anything that is available to anyone on the internet.  There are countless articles out there.  Maybe you can find how many are being deported without due process and tell me and give the source.

The fact that you push baseless assertions here, and I don't believe them, is not a failure on my part to not read information available. These are your assertions; it is your job to support them. 

I also love how you will pretend like you are not an absolute LIAR from only a couple of hours ago here and not respond to the last comment then. 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

And he'll b3 sent right back to jail.

Only if they have solid evidence. And it will be domestic jail, not the ES gulag.

By the time he gets out, that gulag won't be taking any more prisoners from the US.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Only if they have solid evidence. And it will be domestic jail, not the ES gulag.

By the time he gets out, that gulag won't be taking any more prisoners from the US.

Sure he will. He'll be deported to his home...El Salvaor.

[robosmith]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Sure he will. He'll be deported to his home...El Salvaor.

Nope. A Federal judge has already prohibited his deportation to ES because he fled due to fear of the gangs there at 16 yo.

[gatomontes99]

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