Say hello to the new boss (Carney), same as the old boss.

[WestCanMan]

14 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If people don't buy US products there is no need for tariffs. Carney is putting a hold on tariffs for the same reason as Trump, they damage the economy. The power of the PMO has been a problem for a long time, It didn't just start now or with this PM. I'm in a wait an see mode, it's only been a month since the election and parliament hasn't even sat yet.

How long has it been now? I honestly do't even know. That seems like a foreign concept now. 

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If people don't buy US products there is no need for tariffs. Carney is putting a hold on tariffs for the same reason as Trump, they damage the economy. The power of the PMO has been a problem for a long time, It didn't just start now or with this PM. I'm in a wait an see mode, it's only been a month since the election and parliament hasn't even sat yet.

Then why did he campaign on reciprocal tariffs?

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

How long has it been now? I honestly do't even know. That seems like a foreign concept now. 

Parliament dissolves when an election is called and resumes after a new government is formed. Nothing different here. As a matter of fact it is resuming earlier than normal after an election because the campaign only lasted the minimum time allowed by law.

After Harper was elected in late January 2006, Parliament didn't sit until early April.

If you look back, a month between an election and parliament's first sitting is pretty standard.

Edited Monday at 07:43 PM by Aristides

[CdnFox]

Just now, Aristides said:

Parliament dissolves when an election is called and resumes after a new government is formed. 

It was prorogued, it did NOT dissolve when the election was called. 

Amazing how quickly we forget. 

[herbie]

12 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

This has been the basis for human rights in our country for a long time.  Equity in this case is discriminatory.

bullshit, it's the typical right wing snivelling that equity is discrimination and favours the less qualified. Which in this case means women are less qualified, in your opinion as you don't even know squat about the ones you're griping about.

MOF any political party that doesn't feel a need for equity can FOAD - AFAIC.

Heard the same shit cuz the kid who just finished night school didn't get a job cuz he was 'more qualified' than a guy doing it for 20 years cuz the place was union and the white kid who graduated that lost out the concession job to the native one that worked 3 summers at Wendys.

Typical right wing perpetual victim nonsense that any consideration towards someone else is discrimination against me blubbering.

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, herbie said:

bullshit, it's the typical right wing snivelling that equity is discrimination and favours the less qualified.

"it's Right wing sniveling that people should be valued for who they are and what they can accomplish instead of just the colour of their skin or their sex"

LOL well i guess you got us there... 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It was prorogued, it did NOT dissolve when the election was called. 

Amazing how quickly we forget. 

Conveniently...

1 hour ago, herbie said:

bullshit, it's the typical right wing snivelling that equity is discrimination and favours the less qualified.

Your illiteracy is proof enough of your lack of qualifications. 

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It was prorogued, it did NOT dissolve when the election was called. 

Amazing how quickly we forget.

The point is, it's behind us. The future is that way 👉

[CdnFox]

43 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The point is, it's behind us. The future is that way 👉

With this gov't, the past IS the future. 

[Moonlight Graham]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

1.  bullshit, it's the typical right wing snivelling that equity is discrimination and favours the less qualified.  

2.  Which in this case means women are less qualified, in your opinion as you don't even know squat about the ones you're griping about.

3.  MOF any political party that doesn't feel a need for equity can FOAD - AFAIC.

4.  Heard the same shit cuz the kid who just finished night school didn't get a job cuz he was 'more qualified' than a guy doing it for 20 years cuz the place was union and the white kid who graduated that lost out the concession job to the native one that worked 3 summers at Wendys.

5.  Typical right wing perpetual victim nonsense that any consideration towards someone else is discrimination against me blubbering.

1.  That's literally what equity in hiring is by very definition LOL.

2.  I'm not saying women in general are less qualified than men.  I'm saying if Liberal PM's are going to enforce gender parity in cabinet selection then obviously some MP's will almost certainly be discriminated against on the basis of their gender while less qualified candidates get their jobs based on their gender and not on merit.  Since around only 30% of Liberal MP's are women that logically means that it's almost certain that men are being discriminated against here.

3.  Why?

4.  I can't understand this incoherent babbling.

5.  Are you claiming that men cannot be victims of hiring discrimination?  If so, please explain why not.  Also, there's no issue with hiring women or anyone from any other identity group for any job if they're the most qualified for the position.  This is called "equal rights" and "equality of opportunity".  Equity in hiring by definition gives people in certain groups preferential treatment on the basis of sex, race etc.

[Aristides]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It was prorogued, it did NOT dissolve when the election was called. 

Amazing how quickly we forget. 

Parliament is dissolved whenever an election is called. 

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, Aristides said:

Parliament is dissolved whenever an election is called. 

Parliament was prorogued before the election was called. What part of that do you not understand? 

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, Aristides said:

Parliament is dissolved whenever an election is called. 

But that is not why parliament hadn't sat in that time which is what you suggested. There is nothing remotely "normal" about what happened. 

Don't make your error worse by doubling down on the stupid.  Parliament hasn't met in half a year because the libearls prorogued it and used that time to hold a leadership race and then parade carney around without calling parliament back and then went to an election. 

then instead of calling parliament back when he won he buggered off on vacation for a month, will now have parliament for a week or so and then will be off on vaycay again on the public dime without producing a budget. 

No budget no parliament.... all during the 'greatest crisis of our time'. 

[Aristides]

On 5/27/2025 at 7:44 AM, WestCanMan said:

Parliament was prorogued before the election was called. What part of that do you not understand? 

So what? Parliament's are prorogued regularly and this was a better reason than most. Harper prorogued Parliament to stop the Liberals and NDP forming a coalition which would have overthrown his government. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

So what? Parliament's are prorogued regularly and this was a better reason than most. . 

This was the worst of all reasons.  This was terrible. 

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Harper prorogued Parliament to stop the Liberals and NDP forming a coalition which would have overthrown his government

And forced them to go to an election if they wanted to do that.  Which is the right thing to do. Bypassing the will of the public and trying to steal the election from the party that won was the crime. 

Harper just said "if you're bound and determined fine, after 6 months if you bring me down to form a coalition we go back to the polls, if you think the voters want that you go right ahead."

That's democracy. 

The liberals prorogued to hold a leadership convinetion they could have held AT ANY TIME for the SOLE BENEFIT OF THEM and then installed an unelected prime minister who'd never even run for office or won a seat in his life, and then used the time to promote him and call an election on their own time. 

The fact you would say that is legit shows what a horribly morally bankrupt person you are. 

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, Aristides said:

So what? Parliament's are prorogued regularly and this was a better reason than most. Harper prorogued Parliament to stop the Liberals and NDP forming a coalition which would have overthrown his government. 

It's not prorogued regularly, and our government was down for almost 6 months. That's atrocious, and the Libs were spending money like drunk sailors that whole time, now Carney doesn't think he even has to put out a budget.

It's absolutely insane what the LPOC has gotten away with in the last ten years when you consider beating peaceful protesters, trampling them, freezing people's bank accounts, forcing people to take a useless but harmful injection, the sole-source contract of $900M to Trudeau's cronies, forcing the AG to thwart our legal system at the PM's bidding, Carney's massive lying spree which wasn't mentioned by our MSM because they were bought off with over $2B in the last 4 election cycles...

We have the worst economy in the developed world now, partly because of the Libs' attack on our own energy sector, and this wasteful government just declared that it's no one's business what they spend or where. 

This country is f-cked, dude, it's not even close to being a real democracy anymore, and you don't want to acknowledge it because you've been celebrating it for the past ten years. 

Can you name me another democracy where the ruling party just blatantly gives several hundred million taxpayer dollars directly to the media before every election? 

Sure, the MSM in the US runs propaganda for the Dems 24/7, but at least they didn't just take money right outta the public purse to pay for it all, or if they did they at least had the decency to hide it by funnelling it through USAID and other NGO's. In Canada the Libs just say "We need more propaganda and fake polling data, here's $600M free to you from our taxpayers." 

Edited yesterday at 02:30 PM by WestCanMan

[ExFlyer]

On 5/26/2025 at 11:46 AM, CdnFox said:

Then why did he campaign on reciprocal tariffs?

Duhh, because Trump was going to impose and then Trump backed down. 

They are calling Trump Chicken Taco nowadays, too chicken to go through with it. LOL

https://financialpost.com/news/what-trump-tariff-ruling-means-canada

 

Also, realizing putting tariffs on imported goods from the US we need will cost Canadians out of pocket so why impose them. It saves us all money.

[ExFlyer]

On 5/27/2025 at 10:44 AM, WestCanMan said:

Parliament was prorogued before the election was called. What part of that do you not understand? 

"if Parliament is prorogued, it is not dissolved before an election. Prorogation marks the end of a session, but it's not the end of the Parliament itself; it doesn't trigger an election. Dissolution, on the other hand, is the act of ending a Parliament and is followed by a general election. 

"

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

It's not prorogued regularly, and our government was down for almost 6 months. That's atrocious, and the Libs were spending money like drunk sailors that whole time, now Carney doesn't think he even has to put out a budget.

It's absolutely insane what the LPOC has gotten away with in the last ten years when you consider beating peaceful protesters, trampling them, freezing people's bank accounts, forcing people to take a useless but harmful injection, the sole-source contract of $900M to Trudeau's cronies, forcing the AG to thwart our legal system at the PM's bidding, Carney's massive lying spree which wasn't mentioned by our MSM because they were bought off with over $2B in the last 4 election cycles...

We have the worst economy in the developed world now, partly because of the Libs' attack on our own energy sector, and this wasteful government just declared that it's no one's business what they spend or where. 

This country is f-cked, dude, it's not even close to being a real democracy anymore, and you don't want to acknowledge it because you've been celebrating it for the past ten years. 

Can you name me another democracy where the ruling party just blatantly gives several hundred million taxpayer dollars directly to the media before every election? 

Sure, the MSM in the US runs propaganda for the Dems 24/7, but at least they didn't just take money right outta the public purse to pay for it all, or if they did they at least had the decency to hide it by funnelling it through USAID and other NGO's. In Canada the Libs just say "We need more propaganda and fake polling data, here's $600M free to you from our taxpayers." 

Harper prorogued parliament twice and Trudeau did it twice.

[Moonbox]

18 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Harper prorogued parliament twice and Trudeau did it twice.

yeah but if the Conservatives do something it is GOOD, and if the Liberals do something it's BAD.  It doesn't matter what IT is.  

[Aristides]

25 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

yeah but if the Conservatives do something it is GOOD, and if the Liberals do something it's BAD.  It doesn't matter what IT is.  

Both did it for political reasons. I don't see any difference.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Duhh, because Trump was going to impose and then Trump backed down. 

 

Trump did impose tariffs and they are still in place. We are paying those tariffs today.

Duhh indeed  LOLOLOL  man you just dream up your own little world to live in don't you  

Carney put in his policy budget that he would collect about 20 billion in tariffs. And he released that AFTER he quietly killed those same tariffs.  He promised that money to help ontario workers who were laid off due to tariffs and now it's gone, and workers are still laid off and plants are cutting shifts or closing expansion plans.  And the us is still tariffing us. 

Go eat another crayon and try again. 

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Trump did impose tariffs ...

So, you are OK if Canada puts tariffs on American products, fruits, vegetables and other needs?

Canada smartly removed them so we don't have to pay more .....but sounds like you think they should be put back on so we can pay more???

Stay with the program (if anyone can LOL) of Trumps tariffs.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/a-timeline-of-trumps-tariff-actions-so-far

Now the Supreme court says Trump does not have the authority and all his tariffs must be cancelled. https://globalnews.ca/news/11202103/donald-trump-tariffs-blocked-court/

Then appeals says on again. https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/29/blocked-trump-tariffs-trade-court-appeal.html

Burt remember...there is someone rent free in your head and that confuses you LOL

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

So, you are OK if Canada puts tariffs on American products, fruits, vegetables and other needs?

Ummm... we've ALWAYS had some of those.  eggs, milk cheese and now some raw products as well unless they're being used in ingredients. 

Sooooo... you're suddenly upset by something we've been doing since the 70s....  why exactly? 

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Canada smartly removed them so we don't have to pay more

Well firstly if it was smart why didn't carney campaign on that? Why did he include tariffs in his revenue projections? Hmmmm?  Maybe not so "smart", maybe just making trump happy because he's an appeaser and collaborator. 

Second off,  stupid move.  The point of counter tariffs is to cause pain to americans who then force the president to back down.  As he did on china, as he's done on others but as he has NOT done on us. In fact he's considering MOAR tariffs for us.  But now we have NO leverage. He keeps tariffing us forever and americans don't buy our products 

We're already seeing work layoffs and closures with more to come

68,000 job losses possible in Ontario this year due to U.S. trade war: report | CBC News

that's JUST ontario. 

And you're worried about paying an extra buck for an orange?

This is devastating our economy and your big "elbows up" plan is to take it like a baitch?  That's "Smart'? 

Please. He did a deal with trump to screw canada. Trump will make it up to him, they already do business together, 

[ExFlyer]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Ummm... we've ALWAYS had some of those.  eggs, milk cheese and now some raw products as well unless they're being used in ingredients. 

Sooooo... you're suddenly upset by something we've been doing since the 70s....  why exactly? 

Well firstly if it was smart why didn't carney campaign on that? Why did he include tariffs in his revenue projections? Hmmmm?  Maybe not so "smart", maybe just making trump happy because he's an appeaser and collaborator. 

Second off,  stupid move.  The point of counter tariffs is to cause pain to americans who then force the president to back down.  As he did on china, as he's done on others but as he has NOT done on us. In fact he's considering MOAR tariffs for us.  But now we have NO leverage. He keeps tariffing us forever and americans don't buy our products 

We're already seeing work layoffs and closures with more to come

68,000 job losses possible in Ontario this year due to U.S. trade war: report | CBC News

that's JUST ontario. 

And you're worried about paying an extra buck for an orange?

This is devastating our economy and your big "elbows up" plan is to take it like a baitch?  That's "Smart'? 

Please. He did a deal with trump to screw canada. Trump will make it up to him, they already do business together, 

Hey LOSER, you seem to think tariffs on americian products are a good idea....that way it will cost us all money.

Carney issued a threat, Canada united and a buy Canadian effort began and then he took them off to save Canadians money.

I know this is hard for you to comprehend but hey, you do have comprehension issue anyway LO

LOSER