We got sold out boys: Canada’s New Tariffs on US Drop to ‘Nearly Zero’ With Exemptions

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If we were intelligent we could have started doing this decades ago

It wasn't possible Decades ago. Which you would have known if you were intelligent  

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

We need to be getting there at least 10 years

well that's your liberal friends that prevented that from happening. 

In any case, now is all we've got to work with. And now we should be getting more pipelines built, and getting our products to as many markets as possible. 

[Army Guy]

On 5/14/2025 at 8:15 PM, herbie said:

Tariffs are a tax your own people pay, dummies! Until alternate sources are there, you're cutting off your own nose to spite your face.
YOU benefit and it signals Canada's position that we don't want to engage in a Trade War.

Or you'd rather pay 25%+ more for every other damn thing you buy just to own the Yanks?

Your man, told Canadians this would be a tit for tat on tariffs.....and we find out he lied again....i know you like that part about him,

Canadian tariffs are to deter Canadians from buy US products by making them more expensive....it allows our government to take taxes from Canadians who would rather buy US products....So yes lets buy Canadian products and tax the sh!t our of Canadians who don't support Canada....

[betsy]

On 5/14/2025 at 5:12 PM, CdnFox said:

Canada’s New Tariffs on US Drop to ‘Nearly Zero’ With Exemptions, Oxford Says - Bloomberg

Short version, carney has just announced a bunch of new exemptions that wipe out almost all of the tariffs. The US has not reciprocated and our tariffs from them stay in place.

Remember all that tariff money that Connie said was going to go to help workers who were displaced by the US tariffs?

Carney basically just sold us out and took all our tariffs off Without any deal in place for the Americans to do the same.

"elbows up" his ass it would seem.

 

 

Lol - and it's only been two weeks!   

 

Hahahaha - kinda like he's competing with Trump as to how much he can accomplish in his first 100 days!   I noticed, he's mimicking Trump with signing orders and showing his signature!  Camaraderie between the two?

 

We're getting there - to being sold out - as in, being annexed. 😁

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, betsy said:

 

 

Lol - and it's only been two weeks!   

 

Hahahaha - kinda like he's competing with Trump as to how much he can accomplish in his first 100 days!   I noticed, he's mimicking Trump with signing orders and showing his signature!  Camaraderie between the two?

 

We're getting there - to being sold out - as in, being annexed. 😁

Yeah. Honestly i think he sold out before he ever won the election. 

And i hear that we're now mirroring some of trump's entry rules for people from places like iran. And some of them don't make a lot of sense. 

He's doing what he's told. There's no elbows. 

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, betsy said:

 

 

Lol - and it's only been two weeks!   

 

Hahahaha - kinda like he's competing with Trump as to how much he can accomplish in his first 100 days!   I noticed, he's mimicking Trump with signing orders and showing his signature!  Camaraderie between the two?

 

We're getting there - to being sold out - as in, being annexed. 😁

Someone should tell him he's the one looking like trump...and his staff should have filled him in on how things work in parliament, we don't have presidential orders, we have a parliament that we pass things that require expenditures... 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Someone should tell him he's the one looking like trump...and his staff should have filled him in on how things work in parliament, we don't have presidential orders, we have a parliament that we pass things that require expenditures... 

you mean how he's been signing things and then holding them up to show his signature just like trump does? Yeah, what the hell is up with that?

And you can bet that if a conservative did it they would be all over him about how he's just like trump.

I'm getting the sense that the shine might come off of carney a lot faster than anyone thought. At this rate if the NDP can get their act together carney's first budget might very well wind up in his government falling when it finally comes out next year

[CdnFox]

Some more information has come out;

Carney dropped most American tariffs day after Trump meeting | Toronto Sun

He did it THE DAY AFTER he met with trump. 

He met with trump, the NEXT DAY almost all american tariffs came off, and the us ones remained on us. 

That's mr 'elbows up'

[eyeball]

From the article...

“It’s a very strategic approach from a new prime minister to really say, ‘We’re not going to have a retaliation,'” Tony Stillo, Oxford’s director of Canada economics, said in an interview with Bloomberg this week.

“It’s a strategic play on the government’s part to not damage the Canadian economy.”

And it underscores the fact that tariffs are ultimately a tax on importers. You'd rather Carney increase our taxes?

I say let America shoot itself in the foot... head...whatever.

[Army Guy]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

From the article...

“It’s a very strategic approach from a new prime minister to really say, ‘We’re not going to have a retaliation,'” Tony Stillo, Oxford’s director of Canada economics, said in an interview with Bloomberg this week.

“It’s a strategic play on the government’s part to not damage the Canadian economy.”

And it underscores the fact that tariffs are ultimately a tax on importers. You'd rather Carney increase our taxes?

I say let America shoot itself in the foot... head...whatever.

Tariffs are designed to tax the hell out of something to force Canadians to find another product not made or imported from the states....Canadians are still buying American products....tariff the shit out of them....force Canadians to find new products...

Just weeks ago we hated everything to do with Americans, Now the liberals have changed their mind....now it's hey we will have to pay more i'm out...kind of like the whole climate change thing once Canadians had to pay they wanted out....Money is the driving force here, nothing more...

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Tariffs are designed to tax the hell out of something

Yeah, Canadian consumption when we apply tariffs on other nations.

3 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

....force Canadians to find new products...

You mean like forcing Canadians to vaccinate or stay 6 feet away from one another? Suddenly you like being forced by the government?

4 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Just weeks ago we hated everything to do with Americans, 

And now that we've had time to settle down a little it's more obvious we simply can't stand Trump.

7 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Money is the driving force here, nothing more...

Sure it is and Trump is forcing his own people to spend more not us.

[eyeball]

If we really wanted to punish Americans we'd jack up the cost of oil they say they don't need.

We could put the lie to that little delusion in a couple of weeks.

[herbie]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

If we really wanted to punish Americans we'd jack up the cost of oil they say they don't need.

We could put the lie to that little delusion in a couple of weeks.

Which would mean $3.00/L for people in Vancouver that sell Alberta oil to the USA, refine it and bring it back.
The object of 'Elbows Up' retaliations should be to hurt them as much as possible while hurting us as little as possible.

The govt doesn't build pipelines, refineries or houses, regardless of what some lying sacks of shit politicians tell you. They can only offer incentives for companiea and individuals to do so. Unless you're one of those completely blind to what a 'conservative' backbone is.

Edited yesterday at 12:02 AM by herbie

[blackbird]

On 5/14/2025 at 2:12 PM, CdnFox said:

.... carney has just announced a bunch of new exemptions that wipe out almost all of the tariffs. The US has not reciprocated and our tariffs from them stay in place.

I know it sounded good to fight back with tariffs on imported goods when Trump first started his threats of tariffs.  But in reality it makes no sense to punish Canadians in a useless effort to stop Trump's tariffs.  Canada just doesn't have the economic clout and has no chance to make any difference that way.

Glad the feds wiped out the idea to put tariffs on most incoming goods.  Incoming tariffs will do absolutely nothing to stop Trumps tariffs on goods moving from Canada to U.S.  Canada is just too small a country compared with the U.S.  Tariffs on incoming goods would hurt Canadians by driving up the price of goods.  Where's the sense in that?  It would do nothing to stop Trump's trade war but would hurt Canadians, especially those who are already trying to make ends meet.

I trust the economic experts who likely advised Carney not to follow through with all the tariffs on Canadians.  It is the one bit of good news.  Let Canadians decide to avoid buying imported goods from the U.S. when possible and avoid holiday travel to the U.S.  Let's not punish those who can least afford it.

Edited yesterday at 01:20 AM by blackbird

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Which would mean $3.00/L for people in Vancouver that sell Alberta oil to the USA, refine it and bring it back.

I'm sure we could live with that for a couple of weeks. Americans OTOH would lose their shit within a couple days.

[eyeball]

I think it's important to demonstrate we're committed to free trade - not total unmitigated carte blanche but certainly free of outright bullshit to the greatest extent possible.

There's no need to smear it all over ourselves too.

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[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

I know it sounded good to fight back with tariffs on imported goods when Trump first started his threats of tariffs.  But in reality it makes no sense to punish Canadians in a useless effort to stop Trump's tariffs.  Canada just doesn't have the economic clout and has no chance to make any difference that way.

Glad the feds wiped out the idea to put tariffs on most incoming goods.  Incoming tariffs will do absolutely nothing to stop Trumps tariffs on goods moving from Canada to U.S.  Canada is just too small a country compared with the U.S.  Tariffs on incoming goods would hurt Canadians by driving up the price of goods.  Where's the sense in that?  It would do nothing to stop Trump's trade war but would hurt Canadians, especially those who are already trying to make ends meet.

I trust the economic experts who likely advised Carney not to follow through with all the tariffs on Canadians.  It is the one bit of good news.  Let Canadians decide to avoid buying imported goods from the U.S. when possible and avoid holiday travel to the U.S.  Let's not punish those who can least afford it.

Dude he did it the day after he talked to trump. 

This wasn't our idea. And trump wanted it stopped BECAUSE it was hurting him. 

And if carney didn't intend to do it, why did he cancel them DURING THE ELECTION but continue to run on the idea for the rest of the election?

There's no way to spin this into a good thing.  If he thought that it was wise he should have said so and run on that. He ran on 'elbows up', which he claimed included equal reciprocal tarrifs. 

Now we're still being hurt by trump and he has NO reason to ever take them off of us, and has said he won't and that they're permanent. 

Is that your plan? We just watch our automotive industry and our ohter industries wither and die with no fight?

[August1991]

On 5/14/2025 at 5:12 PM, CdnFox said:

Canada’s New Tariffs on US Drop to ‘Nearly Zero’ With Exemptions, Oxford Says - Bloomberg

Short version, carney has just announced a bunch of new exemptions that wipe out almost all of the tariffs. The US has not reciprocated and our tariffs from them stay in place.

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If true, we are like Singapore.

Foreigners can sell anything here - whatever they do to us.

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But what about dairy quotas?

Edited yesterday at 03:01 AM by August1991

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, August1991 said:

If true, we are like Singapore.

Foreigners can sell anything here - whatever they do to us.

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But what about dairy quotas?

Dairy quote it won't come up until the free trade talks next year. I suspect we're going to lose ground there too

[blackbird]

49 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Now we're still being hurt by trump and he has NO reason to ever take them off of us, and has said he won't and that they're permanent. 

I don't agree.   We all know Trump is doing it for possibly two reasons.

1.  He believes auto industries and possibly others will move their industries to the U.S.  He believes tariffs will encourage more things to be produced by American instead of importing them.

2.  It is also very likely one of Trump's bargain ploys to try to get a better deal for the U.S. in a new free trade agreement.  He thinks he is a master of "the art of the deal".  

So I doubt they are permanent.  When Americans see that the tariffs are costing them a lot of money and not a real benefit, he might be forced to start dropping the tariffs.   But whether they are permanent or not, punishing Canadians with tariffs is not going to solve anything.  

56 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Is that your plan? We just watch our automotive industry and our ohter industries wither and die with no fight?

No, it is not my plan.   I just don't believe putting tariffs on Canadians will force Trump to drop the tariffs.  It will not help the auto industry.  

It is quite likely Carney was advised by top government financial and economists that putting tariffs on Canadians won't help but it would actually hurt Canadians, especially those who are already struggling to make ends meet.  I believe that is what experts probably told Carney.  I trust them more than ordinary Canadians who just think somehow tariffs is going to be the solution when it's not.  We are a much smaller country compared with America's and they have many other markets they can sell to.  Putting tariffs on Canadians would hurt us far more than hurt them.  That's the problem.

[BlahTheCanuck]

As expected. Maple MAGA Carney caved to Trump.

[Army Guy]

21 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yeah, Canadian consumption when we apply tariffs on other nations.

You mean like forcing Canadians to vaccinate or stay 6 feet away from one another? Suddenly you like being forced by the government?

And now that we've had time to settle down a little it's more obvious we simply can't stand Trump.

Sure it is and Trump is forcing his own people to spend more not us.

Yes,thats what it is designed to do, make products more expensive , forcing consumers to a) find other similar products preferably made in Canada, b) pay the tax man and enjoy you made in american products...

Can't stand trump , but still willing to buy American products...ya baby thats going to show trump you mean business...

You still don't get it trump do you....Americans will just find new non canadian cheaper products to buy....While Canadian lose out on sales, , ...........and Canadian still buy American products keeping them in business... who is losing out... he is also forcing manufactures to move back to the states to build stuff because of the tariffs take a look at Canadas auto industry for instance. 

[Army Guy]

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Dairy quote it won't come up until the free trade talks next year. I suspect we're going to lose ground there too

Be a lot of pissed off dairy farmers , in quebec and ontario, i thought these were sacred markets, carney has already said he would not trade that away....then again these guys are liberal...lots of votes that would go to either the block, or conservatives...

[CdnFox]

17 hours ago, blackbird said:

I don't agree.   We all know Trump is doing it for possibly two reasons.

1.  He believes auto industries and possibly others will move their industries to the U.S.  He believes tariffs will encourage more things to be produced by American instead of importing them.

2.  It is also very likely one of Trump's bargain ploys to try to get a better deal for the U.S. in a new free trade agreement.  He thinks he is a master of "the art of the deal".  

So I doubt they are permanent.  When Americans see that the tariffs are costing them a lot of money and not a real benefit, he might be forced to start dropping the tariffs.   But whether they are permanent or not, punishing Canadians with tariffs is not going to solve anything.  

Trump says they're permanent. Have we received any indication or any possible reason to believe that he will take them off as part of NAFTA? Now that he knows carney will cave at the drop of a hat when ordered all he has to do to get his way is threatened to raise them, there's no need for him to take them off ever as a negotiating chip. If anything this puts us in a position to get a much worse deal

And seeing is the free trade agreement negotiations don't begin for a year and that's just when they begin, we're going to be living with these tariffs for a long time and they will be trashing our economy during that time

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No, it is not my plan.   I just don't believe putting tariffs on Canadians will force Trump to drop the tariffs.  It will not help the auto industry.  

Well then what is your plan? Cave like a biatch like carney And fall on your knees and pray that trump has mercy on us at some point in the future? 

If you can't offer a better plan than that I think that tariffs are worth a try

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Trump says they're permanent. Have we received any indication or any possible reason to believe that he will take them off as part of NAFTA? Now that he knows carney will cave at the drop of a hat when ordered all he has to do to get his way is threatened to raise them, there's no need for him to take them off ever as a negotiating chip. If anything this puts us in a position to get a much worse deal

And seeing is the free trade agreement negotiations don't begin for a year and that's just when they begin, we're going to be living with these tariffs for a long time and they will be trashing our economy during that time

Well then what is your plan? Cave like a biatch like carney And fall on your knees and pray that trump has mercy on us at some point in the future? 

If you can't offer a better plan than that I think that tariffs are worth a try

We will have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.   I don't believe punishing Canadians with tariffs and making life more expensive for everyone will solve the tariff crisis or tariff war with Trump.  Why make life more miserable for millions of Canadians?  We have to pursue other solutions the main one being changes in our economy to build a strong economy.  Build, built, build, drill, drill, drill kind of thing and find other markets than the U.S.

Edited 6 hours ago by blackbird

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

We will have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.   I don't believe punishing Canadians with tariffs and making life more expensive for everyone will solve the tariff crisis or tariff war with Trump.  Why make life more miserable for millions of Canadians?  We have to pursue other solutions the main one being changes in our economy to build a strong economy.  Build, built, build, drill, drill, drill king of thing and find other markets than the U.S.

But you then have to suggest what other solutions we might pursue. If there are no other practical solutions with reasonable chances of success then we are stuck with what we are stuck with

.It makes things more expensive for Canadians when we don't have jobs or economy. Trump's tariffs are creating that effect so you need to say how you will entice him to stop doing that if you don't like this method.

Otherwise you're dooming a generation of kids to having a shitty life because you don't want to pay any more for your jam at the grocery store.