Conservatives (Canada) at the crossroads: Maga future or back to normality?

[CdnFox]

47 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I thought Biden was a globalist?  Kinda was...

It's hard to say. Looking back I don't think we have any idea what he was. I think he was what he was told to be by his handlers and he wasn't really the president for the vast majority of time if not all the time he was there. I guess we'll never know

[CdnFox]

45 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

If the CPC wants to lose again they'll keep Pierre as leader.  He was rejected by Canadian voters for his Maple MAGA schtick.. 

That is such a retarded thing to say. He got 41% of the vote versus the liberals that got 43. If you make a statement saying that he was rejected by Canadians with those numbers then you were either dishonest beyond belief or so stupid you shouldn't be allowed to vote, or drive, or walk very far un escorted

In fact he was widely accepted by a huge number of Canadians, and it was only the complete collapse of the NDP this time and the severe reduction of the block that allowed car need to win, and that was only because of trump

But it's hilarious to see every single leftist out there scrambling like mad desperately demanding and begging and pleading that we get rid of poilievre immediately!!!! For our own good, you see! Because they really do want us to win, so they're just trying to be helpful and give us good advice!!!  LOL

Will keep him thanks. He's earned the right to have one more kick at the can if you can't pull it off next time then he had a fair chance and we'll have to consider options

It's only the liberals who trash their leader no matter what if he loses. No other party does that

 

[Moonlight Graham]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That is such a retarded thing to say. He got 41% of the vote versus the liberals that got 43. If you make a statement saying that he was rejected by Canadians with those numbers then you were either dishonest beyond belief or so stupid you shouldn't be allowed to vote, or drive, or walk very far un escorted

In fact he was widely accepted by a huge number of Canadians, and it was only the complete collapse of the NDP this time and the severe reduction of the block that allowed car need to win, and that was only because of trump

But it's hilarious to see every single leftist out there scrambling like mad desperately demanding and begging and pleading that we get rid of poilievre immediately!!!! For our own good, you see! Because they really do want us to win, so they're just trying to be helpful and give us good advice!!!  LOL

Will keep him thanks. He's earned the right to have one more kick at the can if you can't pull it off next time then he had a fair chance and we'll have to consider options

It's only the liberals who trash their leader no matter what if he loses. No other party does that

If a more moderate or center-right candidate was leading the CPC the CPC probably would have won.  The CPC have lost 4 elections in a row, clearly their strategy isn't working and key changes need to be made.  Losing to probably the worst government in our history 4 straight times is embarrassing for them.

The previous 2 elections the CPC actually had the most votes of any party but still lost.

The CPC needs to decide if they want to be conservative or if they want to win.  If you and they like PP as leader that's fine but they'll probably just keep losing.  Most Canadians just aren't very conservative, and they don't appeal to urban voters which is where most of the seats are.  I wish we had a moderate party, or even the PC's.

[myata]

31 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I wish we had a moderate party, or even the PC's.

That would be the dilemma of a) a modern parliamentary party or b) maga-style power hungry authoritarian cult. Eventually but not too far from here. As clear and polar contrast as can be.

[Barquentine]

15 hours ago, blackbird said:

As Justin Trudeau’s time as Prime Minister finally comes to an end, it’s worth reflecting on his tarnished legacy.

That's not what I asked you.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

That's not what I asked you.

You asked for examples of how Liberal and NDP politicians created division and hate, correct?

I gave you a summary of the legacy of Trudeau.  If you understand that, you will see how Liberals and NDP created a lot of division and hate. 

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

If a more moderate or center-right candidate was leading the CPC the CPC probably would have won. 

Bullshit.

Erin O'Toole was a much more moderate and center right candidate. 

This happened because of trump. And the fact that jag meat was so absolutely horrible at running his party and basically sold them out for a pension

There's some tweaking and tuning that can help even improve things further but I'm sorry we did very well and there's a good chance we will do this well again next time, and a very good chance the liberals won't

[Barquentine]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

You asked for examples of how Liberal and NDP politicians created division and hate, correct?

I gave you a summary of the legacy of Trudeau.

You gave us your political speech, about the Liberals you hate. Not even close to answering my question. Care to try again? No? Because you can't answer the original question.

[Hodad]

On 5/4/2025 at 9:31 AM, blackbird said:

The King James Bible is one good way to find sanity.  Get saved by our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, and learn about why the world is the way it is and you will be delivered from the madness of the world.  Make sense?   Any questions on how to do that, just let me know.  I am willing to share it.  It is simply God's grace by faith.  Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

This is the Lord's Day;  we will rejoice and be glad in it.

Sanity? If you believe in some claim for which there is neither reasonable argument nor supporting evidence, then an all-powerful being will make your future amazing--just trust!

The MAGA correlation kinda just writes itself... 

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

There's some tweaking and tuning that can help even improve things further but I'm sorry we did very well and there's a good chance we will do this well again next time, and a very good chance the liberals won't

2nd place.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said:

2nd place.

Maybe, that will be up to the people.

But probably first. And probably with a majority

We'll see what happens then won't we  

[taxme]

On 5/2/2025 at 9:02 PM, myata said:

This is of course, the point. If the party keeps him, it's no longer a normal parliamentary party, but an idol worship club. Any Conservative having reservations and doubts about it has no outs these days: the result, the outcome is playing out right before our eyes. There will be no magical fixes and cures, everything will go down the drain: dignity, self-respect, integrity, principles, loyalty to the country. Everything. This is the defining point: either the party ditches this stuff; or you cannot stay in it and respect yourself.

Pick one: with no excuses and in full knowledge.

Go, Alberta go. 🤣

[Moonlight Graham]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Maybe, that will be up to the people.

But probably first. And probably with a majority

We'll see what happens then won't we  

We just saw.  2nd place.

[Zeitgeist]

I don’t understand the point of this thread.  Canadian conservatism isn’t MAGA, which is a specific brand of American populism that’s not even especially Republican.  Trump’s movement may have some momentum left in it, but it lacks vision because it’s so blatantly centred around greed.

Other countries know it and America is losing hearts and minds.

Canada’s conservatism is mostly about creating opportunity and lowering home and energy costs.  It’s not anti-free trade.

[myata]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canadian conservatism isn’t MAGA, which is a specific brand of American populism that’s not even especially Republican.

That would be trying to deny the reality and it's never a great idea, in the long run for obvious reasons.

1. Republicans are maga now, they gave in and were completely consumed by it. An objective fact that cannot be denied.

2. Canadian CPC is exhibiting the same worrying trends and traits as were observed in the Republican party at the time it was playing with and eventually, consumed by maga.

[Zeitgeist]

7 hours ago, myata said:

That would be trying to deny the reality and it's never a great idea, in the long run for obvious reasons.

1. Republicans are maga now, they gave in and were completely consumed by it. An objective fact that cannot be denied.

2. Canadian CPC is exhibiting the same worrying trends and traits as were observed in the Republican party at the time it was playing with and eventually, consumed by maga.

Don’t you see that by discrediting the Conservatives, you’re basically upholding the status quo Liberals who have done more damage to this country in 9 years than any Canadian government in my lifetime?  The stats speak for themselves: significantly increased size of government and debt, weaker dollar, low productivity and wage growth, weakened international stature.

No rational objective individual could choose more of the same, which makes me think that Canada is heavily influenced by government-funded media and foreign interference.

To believe that one can simply change the leader but keep the team and turn the country around seems delusional.  Somehow Carney has had a conversion from wanting to slam on the brakes on our oil and gas sector? He wants to keep the regulations and identity politics of Trudeau yet somehow make Canada stronger at the same time?

Okay, he’ll get his kick at the can.  Let’s see what happens today in Washington. Let’s see what policies he backs and how he manages the economy.

Edited May 6 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

12 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

We just saw.  2nd place.

Ahhhh so the reason you're so frequently wrong is that you can't read  

You've seen the results of the next election have you?   Maybe lay off the cough syrup

[myata]

4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Don’t you see that by discrediting the Conservatives, you’re basically upholding the status quo Liberals who have done more damage to this country in 9 years than any Canadian government in my lifetime?  The stats speak for themselves: significantly increased size of government and debt, weaker dollar, low productivity and wage growth, weakened international stature.

No I don't want to discredit anybody. But we cannot deny objective facts, the reality either. So what's the out, where? I think there's only one option: for CPC to look at itself, objectively and honestly; see and admit what went wrong. Understand that the path of division, rage and hate doesn't get them to any good ending, cannot do that. On that path, they will either keep losing time after time because it's a losing path. Or else, they'll become maga and cease to be a normal party. No wins, on that path. Only reason and logic.

Edited May 6 by myata

[Moonlight Graham]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Ahhhh so the reason you're so frequently wrong is that you can't read  

You've seen the results of the next election have you?   Maybe lay off the cough syrup

When you can't think of an actual reply you just use insults like a toddler throwing a little tantrum, which is an indication of someone with a small brain, not to mention very embarrassing for you.  And lay off the fake smileys file you're at it unless you're not man enough to mean what you say.

Edited Wednesday at 04:49 AM by Moonlight Graham

[Goddess]

On 5/4/2025 at 2:43 PM, herbie said:

Trudeau, Trudeau, Trudeau, Trudeau
IS F*CKING GONE!!!

And now we have to deal with the destruction he wrought.

And the people you elected to do it are the same people who facilitated it and stuffed themselves at the taxpayer money trough, while impoverishing the country.

Brilliant. Just brilliant.

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

When you can't think of an actual reply you just use insults like a toddler throwing a little tantrum, which is an indication of someone with a small brain, not to mention very embarrassing for you.  And lay off the fake smileys file you're at it unless you're not man enough to mean what you say.

That wasn't actual reply. I specifically said we'll see you at the next election and you said well we've already seen those results!

And now because you said something stupid and I mocked you for it you want to blame me for the fact that you said something stupid in the first place

The fact that you are dumber than a stamp hammer and can't understand what's being said to you is not my fault and you really have to stop blaming others

[blackbird]

On 4/30/2025 at 9:09 PM, myata said:

So that's maga and the Conservatives today have come to its threshold

That sounds bizarre.  I don't think you understand Canadian politics or Conservatives at all.   Conservatives in Canada have nothing to do with MAGA and their ideology.  

Conservatives around the world simply believe in free enterprise, less government, lower taxes, and respect for individual freedom versus big brother control of everyone's life.  

There is a fraction of conservatives that believe in respect for the lives of pre-born babies, respect for the sanctity of life, and oppose sexual orientation and gender identity ideology.

Those beliefs are just historic Judeo-Christian beliefs common in the western world.  MAGA did not originate those beliefs and has no patent on them.   So to allege conservatives in Canada or anywhere else are MAGA doesn't make sense.

Trump's ideas are contrary to what conservatives in Canada or elsewhere believe.  Trump believes that trade must always be one-sided, i.e. benefit mainly his country.  He thinks that is the "art of the deal".  Canadian conservatives believe in a negotiated, fair, free trade deal that benefits both sides.  Trump's ideas are totally alien to Canadian conservatives. 

Edited Wednesday at 04:35 PM by blackbird

[blackbird]

On 5/6/2025 at 9:47 AM, myata said:

Understand that the path of division, rage and hate doesn't get them to any good ending,

I am not sure why you say Conservatives are on the "path of division, rage and hate".   Maybe you have been believing everything the mainstream media says which tries to paint the Conservatives that way. 

Conservatives simply state their position which is disagreement with the Liberals and NDP.  Stating those facts succinctly is not rage or hate.  It is simply stating the facts.  In politics there will always be divisions, because that is what democracy means.  Everyone has the right to their own beliefs.  Liberals believe in liberalism and progressivism.  NDP believe in Socialism, and Conservatives believe in conservatism.  Every party speaks out against the other party.  Some lie, some tell the truth as they see it.  But your claim that the party you oppose is on the path of division, rage and hate is a false claim.  They simply state their position and what they oppose about the other parties.  All parties do the same thing.

Edited Wednesday at 04:50 PM by blackbird

[myata]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Conservatives around the world simply believe in free enterprise, less government, lower taxes, and respect for individual freedom versus big brother control of everyone's life.

Have you heard the joke about "ear - eye"? In communist Russia (or any such place) a patient asks the doctor, I have a strange ear-eye syndrome, I hear one thing but see something entirely different. What is it my ears or my eyes.

This is what you would like to hear, and perhaps make yourself hear. But there eyes too - and they tell us quite a different story. Now, why would that be? Why should the Conservative story, and the reality be so different?

[Moonlight Graham]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That wasn't actual reply. I specifically said we'll see you at the next election and you said well we've already seen those results!

And now because you said something stupid and I mocked you for it you want to blame me for the fact that you said something stupid in the first place

The fact that you are dumber than a stamp hammer and can't understand what's being said to you is not my fault and you really have to stop blaming others

You have low intelligence and need to use insults to make yourself feeling better while embarrassing yourself in front of everyone here.  I can't fix that.