Tesla arsonists face 5 to 20 years for domestic terrorism

[User]

37 minutes ago, robosmith said:

But you don't care at all about all the laws that Muskrat is breaking as evident by all the court cases he's LOST.

Maybe you should check out The Impoundment Control Act, to understand most of the laws he's broken.

Hint: it's the law Trump broke, which was the basis for his first impeachment.

OK, lets play. Name the top case you are talking about here. Lets hear it. 

Because as these cases are playing out Trump is appealing them. 

38 minutes ago, robosmith said:

And why do they deserve "heavy handed" instead of just arson charges?

Again, lets play. 

If a white dude burns a cross on a black family's lawn... why should that be anything more than unlawful public burning, tresspassing?

If a white supremacist Nazi spray paints a swastika on a Jewish home... why should that be anything more than mere vandalism?

 

[herbie]

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

But you don't care at all about all the laws that Muskrat is breaking as evident by all the court cases he's LOST.

Maybe you should check out The Impoundment Control Act, to understand most of the laws he's broken.

Hint: it's the law Trump broke, which was the basis for his first impeachment.

And why do they deserve "heavy handed" instead of just arson charges?

To teach all you silly children a lesson.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

To teach all you silly children a lesson.

It's the MAGA CULT like you who's being taught what a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR Trump is and always has been.

I knew what we were getting, but you DEFEND HIM ad nauseum.

[Nationalist]

49 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It's the MAGA CULT like you who's being taught what a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR Trump is and always has been.

I knew what we were getting, but you DEFEND HIM ad nauseum.

I defend common sense.

You? Not so much.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I defend common sense.

You? Not so much.

Not true! He defends common sense all the time!!

well....  common cents actually. He wants them to bring back the penny.  He's sick of the slave mexican farmers he buys his zucchini from rounding up to a nickel. 

[User]

11 hours ago, robosmith said:

It's the MAGA CULT like you who's being taught what a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR Trump is and always has been.

I knew what we were getting, but you DEFEND HIM ad nauseum.

What do you care about him being a liar? You routinely lie here and then run away when called out. 

 

[Moonlight Graham]

On 3/20/2025 at 9:07 PM, User said:

Huh?

This makes no sense. What does J6 have to do with the attacks on Tesla property?

They're both politically-motivated property damage.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 3/21/2025 at 7:47 AM, Nationalist said:

I want to see those Libbie fcks punished.!

All people who break laws should be held accountable.  Put all the crooked politicians in jail.

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

All people who break laws should be held accountable.  Put all the crooked politicians in jail.

I can agree with that.

[User]

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

They're both politically-motivated property damage.

I did not ask why you think they are similar. I asked what one has to do with the other. 

Also, the vast majority of folks involved in J6 did little more than wander around and leave, the equivalent of trespassing. 

[Nationalist]

14 minutes ago, User said:

I did not ask why you think they are similar. I asked what one has to do with the other. 

Also, the vast majority of folks involved in J6 did little more than wander around and leave, the equivalent of trespassing. 

No Libbie can or will address your question because to do so blows their whole premise to smithereens. 

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

They're both politically-motivated property damage.

No, there is a major difference. 

The protesters on j6 were mad at the gov't. And the property they damaged and the place they protested were gov't locations. 

The people being attacked here have absolutely nothing to do with politics whatsoever. These people are destroying private property that has NOTHING to do with the person they're mad at other than he works for the company that made or sold the product. 

Some guy 5 years ago buys a tesla not even knowing who elon musk is and now his car gets torched? A guy buys a dealership 7 years ago wanting to build a business, employs people and works hard to build it and now he's getting firebombed?

No.... j6 was a protest that got out of hand. This is terrorism. 

[gatomontes99]

 

[BeaverFever]

On 3/20/2025 at 7:48 PM, User said:

Politically motivated attacks meant to cause fear and compliance with demands are Domestic Terrorism. 

Unless you’re storming the Capitol building on Jan 6, plotting to kidnap a governor or spray painting words like “C-NT” on some politicians office.  Or marching through the streets with tiki torches chanting “jews will not replace us”. Or mobbing LGBTQ picnics and Drag Queen Story Time events

Then it’s “very fine people” exercising free speech. 

[User]

6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Unless you’re storming the Capitol building on Jan 6, plotting to kidnap a governor or spray painting words like “C-NT” on some politicians office.  Or marching through the streets with tiki torches chanting “jews will not replace us”. Or mobbing LGBTQ picnics and Drag Queen Story Time events

Then it’s “very fine people” exercising free speech. 

LOL, seriously, and I do mean seriously: Do you know the whole "very fine people" thing is BS and you are just pushing the lie knowing it or are you just ignorant and still duped into believing that talking point?

Let me know. I am sincerely interested. This is for science. 

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Unless you’re storming the Capitol building on Jan 6, plotting to kidnap a governor or spray painting words like “C-NT” on some politicians office.  Or marching through the streets with tiki torches chanting “jews will not replace us”. Or mobbing LGBTQ picnics and Drag Queen Story Time events

Then it’s “very fine people” exercising free speech. 

you may not like this but protest is people exercising free speech even if they're saying something you don't like. 

Walking down the streets enchanting Jews will not replace us may be extremely distasteful but it's not terrorism. Disrupting a meeting or an event is in my opinion over the line and shouldn't be allowed but it's definitely not terrorism. And calling some politician a c you next Tuesday Is not only not terrorism it's something literally everybody does in one form or another probably several times a day depending on what the new cycle is saying  

Violently attacking and lighting vehicles or buildings on fire is terrorism. It is not in the same league.

The very fact that you're defending these actions speaks poorly of you. Promoting terrorism is not a good look for the left and you and your kind tend to do it far too much. You should be condemning this in the strongest possible language

You allow black lives matter protesters to burn down 4 billion dollars worth of city, assault hundreds of cops which leads to numerous deaths, and you expect anyone to get terribly worked up over January 6th? You're here vigorously defending violent physical attacks on personal property and arson, and to defend this you use the example that "They interrupted Drag queen story hour!" ?

Give your head a shake. I fully condemned the protest which got out of control on January 6th from day one as being unacceptable Behavior. And I condemn the terrorist acts of fire bombing and arson that are going on now. I'm consistent in my views. Why aren't you?

[Moonlight Graham]

On 3/24/2025 at 9:24 AM, User said:

I did not ask why you think they are similar. I asked what one has to do with the other. 

Also, the vast majority of folks involved in J6 did little more than wander around and leave, the equivalent of trespassing. 

My point was that a Trumpster-in-Chief like Elon has absolutely no leg to stand on complaining about politically-motivated vandalism when he's the #1 supporter of the guy who pardoned all the fools who smashed up the Capitol building on Jan. 6.

Do you get the point now or would you like me to print in out for you in French and braille also?

I don't support the violence but nobody should be crying for Elon here.  Karma bit him in the arse.

 

[Moonlight Graham]

On 3/24/2025 at 12:15 PM, CdnFox said:

No, there is a major difference. 

The protesters on j6 were mad at the gov't. And the property they damaged and the place they protested were gov't locations. 

The people being attacked here have absolutely nothing to do with politics whatsoever. These people are destroying private property that has NOTHING to do with the person they're mad at other than he works for the company that made or sold the product. 

Some guy 5 years ago buys a tesla not even knowing who elon musk is and now his car gets torched? A guy buys a dealership 7 years ago wanting to build a business, employs people and works hard to build it and now he's getting firebombed?

No.... j6 was a protest that got out of hand. This is terrorism. 

Elon owns all the dealerships i believe.  Those are his cars being torched.

Now keying random Tesla owners is another thing, I don't get that one.

[User]

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

My point was that a Trumpster-in-Chief like Elon has absolutely no leg to stand on complaining about politically-motivated vandalism when he's the #1 supporter of the guy who pardoned all the fools who smashed up the Capitol building on Jan. 6.

Do you get the point now or would you like me to print in out for you in French and braille also?

I don't support the violence but nobody should be crying for Elon here.  Karma bit him in the arse.

 

No. So, your point is that the FBI/DOJ should no longer investigate or prosecute any crimes because the President pardoned people?

Never mind the stupidity of saying no one should cry for Elon here. Unless you now support total anarchy forever? 

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Elon owns all the dealerships i believe.  Those are his cars being torched.

Now keying random Tesla owners is another thing, I don't get that one.

No, Elon does not own all the dealerships. Tesla is a publicly traded company, and many people own a part of it. 

Elon does not even have a majority of shares. 

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Elon owns all the dealerships i believe. 

He does not.  Tesla itself owns the dealerships. Musk owns a PORTION of tesla, and not even a majority portion. Tonnes of people have tesla shares in their old age pensions and retirement savings. 

So that's out the window.  BUT it would still be wrong if he did - the people who're about to lose their jobs sure as hell didn't have anything to do with politics, the neighborhoods they're endangering had nothing to do with it, the first responder's who's lives are at risk responding to the fires had nothing to do with it.... at NO point would this be acceptable no matter what. 

You really need to stop defending terrorism.  There is NO excuse for this. Hell I said there was no excuse for j6 and THAT really WAS a protest. This is just outright criminal. 

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Now keying random Tesla owners is another thing, I don't get that one

Once you decide the law doesn't matter and terrorism is ok, then the rule of law breaks down and anything goes and nothing has to make sense. 

Imagine if right wingers were to start buringing the cars or homes or the like of any parent who took their kid to drag story time.  Seriously THINK about where this ends if we suggest what they are doing is ok in the slightest.  It is NOT.  And sooner or later the right will push back and i don't think either of us will be happy about the outcome of that. 

[robosmith]

On 3/21/2025 at 9:19 PM, Nationalist said:

I defend common sense.

You? Not so much.

Common sense is so common and therefore nothing to brag about. LMAO

Nothing less than elite sense from me.

On 3/26/2025 at 12:08 AM, Moonlight Graham said:

Elon owns all the dealerships i believe.  Those are his cars being torched.

Now keying random Tesla owners is another thing, I don't get that one.

ALL the Tesla dealerships are OWNED BY TESLA, AKA Muskrat, et al.

[User]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

ALL the Tesla dealerships are OWNED BY TESLA, AKA Muskrat, et al.

Tesla is a publicly traded company, and many people own a part of it. 

Elon does not even have a majority of shares. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Common sense is so common and therefore nothing to brag about. LMAO

Nothing less than elite sense from me.

ALL the Tesla dealerships are OWNED BY TESLA, AKA Muskrat, et al.

elon musk does not own Tesla

[SpankyMcFarland]

I condemn arson without reservation but what on earth is Musk doing in such a controversial government position? Those associated with a brand are usually very careful about any act or statement that could antagonize customers. By contrast, Musk seems to be actively trolling Tesla fans at this stage.