ironstone Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 1 hour ago, Iceni warrior said: Either we voluntarily accept a declining standard of living for the sake of the climate or climate chaos will impose one on us anyway. You're being vague. How much of a decline would you like to see? What modern conveniences would you like to have taken away? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
WestCanMan Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 14 hours ago, eyeball said: Wow, you're so woke. It's not even the least bit 'woke' to care about low-income families. That's a sales pitch from the political parties that screw poor people over by bringing in immigrants who compete with them for starter jobs and low-rent housing. Quote This is why axing the carbon tax is a dumb idea you see, it paid rebates to the lowest income people and.... 1) No one gets back as much as they pay 2) they don't just pay carbon tax at the pump, the carbon tax raises the price of everything. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Michael Hardner Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 1 hour ago, I am Groot said: What has that got to do with the topic here? I'm not going to go back and check, but I saw some posts that implied that climate change was not anthropomorphic or even a hoax... If not then carry on with my humble concession. . Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Iceni warrior Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 49 minutes ago, ironstone said: You're being vague. How much of a decline would you like to see? What modern conveniences would you like to have taken away? Ah, this is the point where I list things like flying away for a fortnight on a beach and gas guzzling SUVs and then you accuse me of being a freedom hating fascist. Think I'll pass. Instead, you could have a little think about what you could do to reduce your own carbon footprint. Quote
ironstone Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 8 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: Instead, you could have a little think about what you could do to reduce your own carbon footprint. I can say with a large degree of certainty that my carbon footprint is much smaller than that of most Liberal or NDP MP's. It's smaller than the vast majority of celebrities that are always going on about climate change. I bet it's smaller than David Suzuki's carbon footprint. Mark Carney likely has a massive carbon footprint with his lifestyle. And now it's going to get even worse. He's not going to travel on the cheap like a Javier Milei. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Iceni warrior Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 1 hour ago, ironstone said: I can say with a large degree of certainty that my carbon footprint is much smaller than that of most Liberal or NDP MP's. It's smaller than the vast majority of celebrities that are always going on about climate change. I bet it's smaller than David Suzuki's carbon footprint. Mark Carney likely has a massive carbon footprint with his lifestyle. And now it's going to get even worse. He's not going to travel on the cheap like a Javier Milei. Right, so because other people have bigger footprints than you you're not even prepared to think about how you could reduce it. That's just the same shitty argument that people have when they point at China to excuse their own intransigence. Quote
I am Groot Posted March 10 Author Report Posted March 10 4 hours ago, Iceni warrior said: Well, an ice free North pole may well be a good thing for the Canadian economy. That was predicted to happen by 2004, wasn't it? Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 1 hour ago, I am Groot said: That was predicted to happen by 2004, wasn't it? By whom? 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 45 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: By whom? Who knows? The simple fact of the matter is is I have seen dozens and dozens and dozens of requests on this forum for people to provide the actual science showing various elements of the climate change and why it's a crisis and nobody's able to provide any. So honestly I couldn't tell you who has made any of these so-called predictions Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Iceni warrior Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 39 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Who knows? The simple fact of the matter is is I have seen dozens and dozens and dozens of requests on this forum for people to provide the actual science showing various elements of the climate change and why it's a crisis and nobody's able to provide any. So honestly I couldn't tell you who has made any of these so-called predictions Here you go, fill your boots. When you've read that come back to me and I'll link you to more detailed reports. https://www.ipcc.ch/synthesis-report/ Quote
eyeball Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 6 hours ago, WestCanMan said: 1) No one gets back as much as they pay 2) they don't just pay carbon tax at the pump, the carbon tax raises the price of everything. And yet, 90% of it is still rebated to lower income Canadians who actually get back more than they pay. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 3 hours ago, Iceni warrior said: Here you go, fill your boots. When you've read that come back to me and I'll link you to more detailed reports. https://www.ipcc.ch/synthesis-report/ None of that's really research as far as I can see. That appears to be a summary report. From a governmental committee. It's propaganda. Do you have an actual peer-reviewed scientific study or the like? Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Iceni warrior Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 10 hours ago, CdnFox said: None of that's really research as far as I can see. That appears to be a summary report. From a governmental committee. It's propaganda. Do you have an actual peer-reviewed scientific study or the like? The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) assesses the peer-reviewed literature on climate change every 5 to 6 years. Their assessment reports, which are also peer-reviewed, are a credible source of information. https://www.csiro.au/en/research/environmental-impacts/climate-change/Climate-change-QA/Information Quote
Legato Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 13 hours ago, eyeball said: And yet, 90% of it is still rebated to lower income Canadians who actually get back more than they pay. and yet 90% of it does eff all for the climate. It's similar to lighting a candle with the last match down a coal mine at midnight on Dec 21st and expecting to light up the world. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 1 hour ago, Iceni warrior said: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) assesses the peer-reviewed literature on climate change every 5 to 6 years. Their assessment reports, which are also peer-reviewed, are a credible source of information. https://www.csiro.au/en/research/environmental-impacts/climate-change/Climate-change-QA/Information Your own quote proved you were a liar. It assessed other peer reviewed literature. In other words, this is someone's opinon about someone else's opinion. And not just someone else but a bunch of someones where they could take what they liked from one or another. As i said this is NOT a research paper. Show me the science. you have now joined a long list of people who have admitted they have not read nor do they have any actual science that backs up their point about this being a crisis OR that canada can do ANYTHING that would make a difference. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 1 hour ago, Legato said: and yet 90% of it does eff all for the climate. It's similar to lighting a candle with the last match down a coal mine at midnight on Dec 21st and expecting to light up the world. Sure it's a fart in a windstorm and the effects will be felt slowly but they'll eventually pile up. The very same way the effects of adding CO2 to our atmosphere have piled up and now to the point they're being felt more quickly. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 12 minutes ago, eyeball said: Sure it's a fart in a windstorm and the effects will be felt slowly but they'll eventually pile up. The very same way the effects of adding CO2 to our atmosphere have piled up and now to the point they're being felt more quickly. We did it for 10 years and nothing piled up except the bullshit. Now people are sick of the bullshit. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: We did it for 10 years and nothing piled up except the bullshit. Now people are sick of the bullshit. The tax has reduced emissions and the tax is growing in popularity around the world. People are just impatient. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 In 2021, Canada ranked as the 12th largest GHG emitting country/region. Canada's share of global emissions decreased from 1.76% in 2005 to 1.40% in 2021. We're a more significant contributor to AGW than people like to pretend. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 Of course it should always be repeated that it was Poilievre's Carbon tax Conservatives who first introduced carbon pricing to Canada in 2008. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCanMan Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 2 hours ago, eyeball said: In 2021, Canada ranked as the 12th largest GHG emitting country/region. Canada's share of global emissions decreased from 1.76% in 2005 to 1.40% in 2021. Ummmm, that's like when someone asks for a volunteer, and everyone takes a step backwards aside from poor old Freddy Flintstone, so it looks like he stepped fwd. I.e., we didn't cut emissions by that much, emissions by other countries increased by that much, thereby reducing our share. Just China's increase alone was probably enough to drive Canada's share down by 0.20%, and the industrialization of other countries accounted for the other 0.16%. We could have increased our energy usage over that time and still dropped down in the global rankings. And FYI, Canada accounts for a large percentage of the earth's northern land mass, and it just takes more energy usage to live in Canada than it does in Brazil, Congo, etc. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
carepov Posted March 12 Report Posted March 12 On 3/10/2025 at 11:48 AM, Iceni warrior said: Eventually, one way or another. Either we voluntarily accept a declining standard of living for the sake of the climate or climate chaos will impose one on us anyway. Floods, wildfires, crop failures, hurricanes and storms. All bad for the economy. Myth, as per an excellent series of articles: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/we-need-get-smart-about-climate Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 12 Report Posted March 12 12 minutes ago, carepov said: Myth, as per an excellent series of articles: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/we-need-get-smart-about-climate Hmm, funded by the likes of Charles Koch and Exxon Mobile. https://www.desmog.com/fraser-institute/ Quote The Fraser Institute has ties a wide range of high-profile climate change skeptics and proponents of the oil and gas industries. For example, as reported in the Vancouver Obsever: Beth Hong.23 “Ezra Levant, a Sun media columnist and author of Ethical Oil, came to intern at the Fraser Institute after a fellowship with the Koch Foundation. Kathryn Marshall, political commentator and former Ethical Oil spokesperson, was a development associate at the Fraser Institute. Wildrose leader Danielle Smith took on an internship with the Fraser Institute during her twenties that ‘imbued her with a passion for Ayn Rand and charter schools’, according to a Walrus article. She became an intern with the encouragement of Tom Flanagan, a Fraser Institute senior fellow and Stephen Harper mentor. Vancouver Sun editorial pages editor and columnist Fazil Milhar is the former regulatory studies director at the Fraser Institute.” Quote
carepov Posted March 12 Report Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Iceni warrior said: Hmm, funded by the likes of Charles Koch and Exxon Mobile. https://www.desmog.com/fraser-institute/ Why not discuss/refute the issue instead of jumping directly into an ad hominem fallacy. The data clearly shows that yes, the world is getting warmer, but humans are thriving better than ever. Quote
eyeball Posted March 12 Report Posted March 12 20 minutes ago, carepov said: Why not discuss/refute the issue instead of jumping directly into an ad hominem fallacy. The data clearly shows that yes, the world is getting warmer, but humans are thriving better than ever. The data also shows that plant and animal species, many that we depend on, are not thriving at all in the face of AGW. Many species are simply unable to adapt fast enough to the changes global warming is causing such as; habitat loss, altered species interactions such as plants blooming earlier than the timing of animal reproduction and feeding cycles, droughts, warming oceans etc. Many species are inching closer to extinction and some are on the brink. Human beings evolved to live in a complex of different ecosystems and a world of diversity and that's disappearing. We won't be thriving for long on a simplified planet with little to no diversity. We may be the weediest species the planet has ever seen but we've never had to make do with nothing more than other weedy species that seem to be increasingly dominating our ecosystems - many of them introduced by us. That's another leading cause of extinction btw. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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