eyeball Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: If there's no evidence of a crisis and you can't provide any science to back it up then there is no crisis. So we can look forward to an AGW is bullshit election after all? Good to know. Or will PP present his evidence of the crisis that will force him to impose carbon pricing on fossil fuel producers? Not to mention the need for taxpayer funded subsidies to fossil fuel producers and no rebates. He's just like Carney. 10 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Y̶o̶u̶ ̶g̶u̶y̶s̶ Hee haw! LMAO! Meanwhile the carbon tax did in fact reduced emissions more effectively and cheaply than any other solution that either the Conservatives or Liberals are proposing. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
carepov Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 23 hours ago, eyeball said: The data you select can tell you whatever story you like. What are you trying to illustrate exactly with your question, that I'm lucky or should be grateful I wasn't born during the Dark Ages? Sure okay. There is no way to spin data to show that global or canadian poverty is increasing. The 1980s were Dark Ages in a large parts of the world. The point is that the world is improving and let's get the story straight to be sure that it conitues to improve. Quote
Army Guy Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 19 hours ago, eyeball said: The crisis is the indifference to AGW. It'll take a hard smack upside the head I guess. It is what it is. Not just me, every Canadian, we all know that and yet the vast majority of Canadians don't want to even pay the carbon tax, thats liberals and NDPers as well, Thats how Canadians roll we need a smack on the head... and your right it is what it is...and iof carney gets in and brings in a new carbon tax, then Canadians will speak up again.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: and iof carney gets in and brings in a new carbon tax, then Canadians will speak up again.... And when PP brings one in we won't hear a peep from his supporters. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Michael Hardner Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 4 hours ago, Legato said: That was a cartoonish reply, yes. A cartoon is a drawing. Can you at least acknowledge that I backed up your post? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
CdnFox Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 4 hours ago, eyeball said: So we can look forward to an AGW is bullshit election after all? Good to know. What do you mean good to know? How could you possibly be so stupid as to not know that already? Poilievre hasn't stopped talking about it and points out that there is still a carbon tax and consumers will still pay for it and carney hasn't said what his next little carbon cost trick will be but he has said there will be one, and Carney Still keeping it alive as well. So yeah, the question of whether or not we're going to continue to do something utterly pointless so that we can virtue signal and pretend we care about the environment when really we don't is absolutely still an election issue same as it's been for the last several years Quote Or will PP present his evidence of the crisis that will force him to impose carbon pricing on fossil fuel producers? Not to mention the need for taxpayer funded subsidies to fossil fuel producers and no rebates. No that's more along the lines of Carney. Kearney will pretend there's a crisis when there isn't, he will insist that we need to have carbon pricing and then hide it, and he won't be giving rebates even though he'll be taxing the people. The good news is that even though it'll be a smaller tax which hurts his revenue as long as he takes away the rebates he doesn't have to gain nearly as much in tax to have the same economic tax benefit for his spending that they've had to date. Quote He's just like Carney. Sure kid 🙄🙄🙄 Quote Meanwhile the carbon tax did in fact reduced emissions more effectively and cheaply than any other solution that either the Conservatives or Liberals are proposing. It didn't reduce emissions one tiny little bit and it cost us a fortune. It was a horrible idea that was only loved by people who don't actually gave a crap about the environment but want to feel like they do and by liberals who enjoy the tax revenue that people like you were happy to turn over for no benefit to themselves. Basically it was the modern day equivalent of TV evangelists who swear you'll go to heaven as long as you turn over Little Johnny's college fund to the church. There's absolutely no difference between the people who fell for that and you Quote
eyeball Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 11 minutes ago, CdnFox said: No that's more along the lines of Carney. Kearney will pretend there's a crisis when there isn't So PP won't pretend it's bullshit but still have to virtue signal anyway. Canada still has emissions committments to keep after all. So what will he use as evidence he's meeting those committments never mind justifying the measures intended to to meet them to supporters who think it's all bullshit? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Legato Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: A cartoon is a drawing. Can you at least acknowledge that I backed up your post? A cartoon is a drawing which exhibits some form of humour. Nothing humorous in the meme I posted. Yes you did back up my post although prefaced with a snide remark. 16 minutes ago, eyeball said: So PP won't pretend it's bullshit but still have to virtue signal anyway. Canada still has emissions committments to keep after all. So what will he use as evidence he's meeting those committments never mind justifying the measures intended to to meet them to supporters who think it's all bullshit? Commitments to whom? Quote
CdnFox Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 11 minutes ago, eyeball said: So PP won't pretend it's bullshit but still have to virtue signal anyway. Nobody said that. You really need to stop listening to the voices in your head. Poilievre won't pretend it's a crisis, but he's bound to suggest that it is an important issue and that Canadians have signaled they'd like to see some sort of action that actually had some sort of impact. Unlike liberals conservatives very frequently follow the will of Canadians when they lead. But instead of doing something to virtue signal he will try to do something that might actually make a difference. For example investing in nuclear energy research to get small nuclear reactors perfected. That's something that can benefit not only Canada but if deployed around the world could severely reduce carbon emissions and actually make a difference. Putting up one of our reactors instead of an oil plant to generate electricity would make a real difference. If we can make it affordable and Deployable canada could have a massive impact on emissions while actually improving its economy. No virtue signaling necessary. But he's not going to pretend that if we don't do something tomorrow and pretend it's going to save the world that somehow the world will come to an end. Liberals and the left need a crisis to justify their actions because their actions do not make sense at face value. They do not follow the science or reason or logic so they absolutely have to have panic to motivate people to go along with their crackpot ideas which only enrich themselves. Conservatives are more interested in genuine solutions, actual facts and results. This is why the left can justify demanding all the vehicles be Electric by 2035 one minute while burning every Tesla they can get their hands on the next And that will likely be his focus. Carbon reducing technology and growing our economy and our wealth so that as technology does emerge that will allow us to move more away from Carbon we will have the money to be able to afford to adapt and to pivot our Industries as well. And once again the conservatives will do more without promising to solve climate change Then the liberals ever have while demanding they will Quote
eyeball Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 25 minutes ago, Legato said: Commitments to whom? See the Paris Agreement. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 26 minutes ago, eyeball said: See the Paris Agreement. Since when did Canada give a shit about commitments...NATO, NORAD, 5 EYES, the list goes on... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Michael Hardner Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 11 hours ago, Legato said: Yes you did back up my post although prefaced with a snide remark. You look for reasons to be offended 😔 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Legato Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: You look for reasons to be offended 😔 No need to look when offered on a daily basis. 12 hours ago, eyeball said: See the Paris Agreement. Commitments to whom? Quote
I am Groot Posted March 16 Author Report Posted March 16 On 3/14/2025 at 2:04 PM, herbie said: What we should be talking about is the fanaticism of climate deniers and their current move to 'prove it' by adding to emissions as the only solution for the economy People like you see the world in black and white. Someone is on your side, or they're worse than Hitler. Someone agrees with your solution to global warming or they're a 'climate denier', whatever hell that is. One can agree that the climate is warming, and even that human activity is at least to some degree responsible without agreeing the proposed solution will accomplish anything but impoverishing us. On 3/14/2025 at 3:51 PM, eyeball said: All scientists mean by the end is that the environment we're used to will change into one that's not as benign and much harder to survive and thrive in. Scientists don't say 'the end'. That's only for the scaremongers and those who have been scared. In fact, Canada's environment will actually likely be more benign and easier to survive in as the temperature rises. Same for much of the northern hemisphere. Quote
I am Groot Posted March 16 Author Report Posted March 16 On 3/14/2025 at 10:47 PM, herbie said: Why set an example for Billy to stop shitting in the pool, let's shit in it even more! Oh, there it is. When the climate catastrophizers finally accept they have no argument that our two trillion dollar efforts will make any difference they resort to 'Well be setting a good example!" Which can be more accurately translated as virtue signalling. That's all it is. Others have 'set a good example' far earlier than we have. Nobody cares. The UK has been 'setting a good example' for years. The cost of electricity for business there is five times greater than in the US. Elderly people are shivering in their homes for fear that turning on the power will mean they can't afford to eat. The're strangling their oil and gas industry and pouring money into rainbows and unicorns - er, windmills and solar panels. Of course, their economy is stagnant, their infrastructure is falling apart, and NOBODY in the world gives a crap about their good example. Certainly not the Chinese or the Indians. The third world doesn't have to do this 'net zero' thing for another 45 years. Why should they spend any time or money on it today? They're busy building coal plants. Quote
I am Groot Posted March 16 Author Report Posted March 16 13 hours ago, eyeball said: See the Paris Agreement. Ah yes. The western world agreed to heavily penalize their industry in order to drive it offshore to the developing world - and agreed to pay them hundred of billions of dollars. And the developing world agreed to do nothing. Not hard to figure out why most of the world signed onto that. Harder to explain is why the West did, except for the US. I'm damned sure Canada wouldn't have if it had been a Conservative in charge. Quote
eyeball Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 2 hours ago, Legato said: Commitments to whom? Did you go look? There's no point in me laying it out for you you'll just say it's a lie so go look it up yourself. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 52 minutes ago, I am Groot said: In fact, Canada's environment will actually likely be more benign and easier to survive in as the temperature rises. Same for much of the northern hemisphere. That's why we can probably expect a couple billion refugees to be on the move in our direction. I really do think it'll be easier to argue climate change is bullshit, mostly because you'll need a plausible reason to justify the harsh measures it'll take to turn such a tsunami of people away. 48 minutes ago, I am Groot said: Ah yes. The western world agreed to heavily penalize their industry in order to drive it offshore to the developing world - and agreed to pay them hundred of billions of dollars. And the developing world agreed to do nothing. Not hard to figure out why most of the world signed onto that. Harder to explain is why the West did, except for the US. I'm damned sure Canada wouldn't have if it had been a Conservative in charge. Again...the climate-change-is-bullshit argument is looking better all the time don't you think? You know you wanna. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
herbie Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 2 hours ago, I am Groot said: People like you see the world in black and white. Someone is on your side, or they're worse than Hitler. Someone agrees with your solution to global warming or they're a 'climate denier', whatever hell that is. Get over yourself. Whatever that is pretty much defines your exact lack of concern and opposition to doing the slightest thing about it. Or years of you bawling that spending a mere 17¢ was too much to bear. Tack on laissez faire capitalist attitude that rules and regulations must be abandoned to "fix" the economy. Or is your vision for Canada an exact duplicate of MAGA USA? Quote
I am Groot Posted March 16 Author Report Posted March 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, herbie said: Get over yourself. Whatever that is pretty much defines your exact lack of concern and opposition to doing the slightest thing about it. Or years of you bawling that spending a mere 17¢ was too much to bear. My opposition to it has always been the same. It won't work. It won't help. It won't do a goddam thing to slow global warming. All it is is virtue signaling so guys like you, or Carney or Trudeau, can lift your chin and puff out your chest and talk bravely about how you're sacrificing for the future like the true, noble, wonderful, virtuous people you are. And I don't feel like spending two trillion dollars on that. Find a cheaper way to feed your ego. 3 hours ago, eyeball said: That's why we can probably expect a couple billion refugees to be on the move in our direction. Machine guns and mines at the US southern border will solve most of that. Edited March 16 by I am Groot 1 Quote
eyeball Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 1 hour ago, I am Groot said: All it is is virtue signaling so guys like you, or Carney or Trudeau, can lift your chin and puff out your chest and talk bravely about how you're sacrificing for the future like the true, noble, wonderful, virtuous people you are. So I take you're also hoping for an AGW-is-bullshit campaign? I'm really looking forward to all the honesty myself. Why, I might even try giving up lying. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 (edited) 4 hours ago, eyeball said: So I take you're also hoping for an AGW-is-bullshit campaign? I'm really looking forward to all the honesty myself. Agw crisis is bullshit See that's the thing about your kind, you always have to lie and twist what said because you can't actually argue with the truth or the facts that were presented. Also your side has been screaming that carbon tax is no longer an election issue now that carney himself has abandoned it. You're going to have to make up your mind kiddo Quote Why, I might even try giving up lying. Ironically you don't mean that Edited March 17 by CdnFox Quote
Legato Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 9 hours ago, eyeball said: Did you go look? There's no point in me laying it out for you you'll just say it's a lie so go look it up yourself. Commitments to whom? Quote
I am Groot Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 The Liberals have already spent $200 billion on climate change initiatives. Imagine what that money could have gotten for us in the way of better healthcare, a capable military, more police and lower crime? And the result? Canada is nowhere near the goal they set for us. Which means many, many hundreds of billions more will have to be spent - and soon. https://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-the-liberals-200-billion-climate-boondoggle Quote
eyeball Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 On 3/16/2025 at 7:20 PM, CdnFox said: Agw crisis is bullshit See that's the thing about your kind, you always have to lie and twist what said because you can't actually argue with the truth or the facts that were presented. Don't take my world for it, you said it best yourself...climate change is a joke On 3/16/2025 at 7:20 PM, CdnFox said: Also your side has been screaming... You're reporting hearing a lot of screaming today, have you developed a case of tinnitus? On 3/16/2025 at 7:20 PM, CdnFox said: ...that carbon tax is no longer an election issue now that carney himself has abandoned it. You're going to have to make up your mind kiddo The carbon tax is dead for sure but carbon pricing hasn't gone away. Neither has AGW. PP has to make up his mind too. If AGW is buillshit then why does he have to dangle the prospect of tax credits to fossil fuel companies? The country will still have costs to bear so why should taxpayers have to pick up the slack these credits leave in the country's finances? Why are you so willing to vote for a virtue signalling for an apparent liar who's only pretending he cares about AGW? BTW has anyone heard if either PP or Carney have ruled out subsidies to fossil fuel companies? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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